Ultra Low Emission Zone (London) - Being introduced on 8 April 2019

[Mikey]

Some of you may have seen that in his infinite wisdom the Mayor of London has introduced the ULEZ and has kindly applied it to motorcycles which are Pre Euro 3, so as an owner of a 2002 model I am looking at having to pay a £12.50/day charge.

To help improve air quality, an Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) will be in place in central London from 8 April 2019 in the same area as the Congestion Charge. Most vehicles including cars and vans will need to meet new, tighter exhaust emission standards (ULEZ standards) or be liable for a daily charge to drive within the ULEZ area.

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone

They also make a stupid suggestion:-

Upgrade to a second-hand vehicle that meets ULEZ standards

Nearly all motorcycles produced since 2007 meet the ULEZ standards
Check your vehicle registration document to find your vehicle's Euro emission standard or NOx emissions. If these are not listed on the vehicle registration document then use our vehicle checker[/i][/color]

It seems pretty unfair that my son's 1400cc Polo, which would be stuck in traffic a considerable amount of time if driving in London is exempt, but a motorbike of a similar capacity (and probably less emissions) which can make a much quicker journey is subject to a charge. Ridiculously, my Triumph Rocket (2300cc) is exempt!

I have been trying to research data on GSX emissions to determine what the NOx figures is for my K2 as it is not shown on my logbook. TfL kindly provide a registration checker to determine whether the charge applies or not and have conveniently used the year of registration to determine that a charge applies.

I am looking to find NOx criteria for motorcycles to meet the Euro 3 but have not had any luck.

Is there anyone on the forum who has also been looking into this who could help with the NOx data.

Many thanks

Mikey

TIA

There is an opportunity to present data evidence to gain exemption, which I am hoping to do if I can source suitable information.

[Andre]

This might contain some help for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skGVIj_kDuc

[Mikey]

Thanks Andre

Interesting

Motorcycle Action Group have put up some information:-

https://wiki.mag-uk.org/images/7/74/ULEZ_2017_06_21.pdf

Which includes:-

The Mayor of London's stated position towards motorcycles
It should also be noted that the Mayor of London, Sadiq Kahn, has overtly supported the case for enabling motorcycle use in London. The Mayor, in 'The Road' magazine in April 2016 (13) wrote:
'As Mayor, I'll work with the motorcycling community to make sure that riders' rights and interests are taken on board as an integral part of the transport mix in the
city. It's clear motorbikes and scooters generate far less pollution, save time and money for the rider - and don't create congestion. It's absolutely right for us to enable powered two wheelers to play their part in delivering a less congested road network... one clear policy area is the case for a more consistent approach to bikes in bus lanes – a scheme which has proved itself effective, without creating undue problems or risks for other road users such as cyclists. But riders can fall foul of regulations because boroughs don't all have the same approach. As Mayor, I'll work to create consistency across the city to make bus lanes open to riders throughout the Capital...I will meet with representatives of riders' rights organisations and learn at first-hand what you need and want....Politics is a dialogue, so that will be the beginning of what I hope turns out to be a very productive relationship between you and the city. From bikes carrying urgent blood supplies, Internet shopping deliveries through to commuters - this city IS big enough for all of us as long as we co-operate together.'

I have already made an enquiry with a Suzuki dealership regarding the NOx for the bike.

[Mick_J]

Quite a few lads on the Ducati forum are going through the same process, have a look at this http://www.ukmonster.co.uk/monster/showthread.php?t=57125 seems you need a certificate from the Manufacturer and then submit that to the TFL.

[Mikey]

Thanks mjgt

Yes, it's affecting so many riders

I've contacted Suzuki, currently waiting for a response.

Mikey

[Mikey]

Update:

After two weeks, I'm still waiting for a response from Suzuki regarding what the NOx emission value is for my K2.

However, I note for the Suzuki UK website, that they are offering Certificate of Conformity and Certificate of Construction (CoC) Applications for £95! EACH

https://bikes.suzuki.co.uk/contact-us/certificate-of-conformity/

I'll post any further updates.

[ARH]

Update:

After two weeks, I'm still waiting for a response from Suzuki regarding what the NOx emission value is for my K2.

However, I note for the Suzuki UK website, that they are offering Certificate of Conformity and Certificate of Construction (CoC) Applications for £95! EACH

https://bikes.suzuki.co.uk/contact-us/certificate-of-conformity/

I'll post any further updates.


According to my bike registration docs NOx emission level is 0.18...  whatever the hell that means! 

[Andre]

According to my bike registration docs NOx emission level is 0.18...  whatever the hell that means! 

0.18 won't do, needs to be 0.15 or lower.

[Mick_J]

Update:

After two weeks, I'm still waiting for a response from Suzuki regarding what the NOx emission value is for my K2.

However, I note for the Suzuki UK website, that they are offering Certificate of Conformity and Certificate of Construction (CoC) Applications for £95! EACH

https://bikes.suzuki.co.uk/contact-us/certificate-of-conformity/

I'll post any further updates.

It's a bit of a spanking but if you get a good result it will pay for itself in two weeks.  Good luck.

[Mikey]

Still waiting for Suzuki to respond!

I suspect that it will be as ARH's docs as 0.18, which will not give an exemption

[ARH]

I'm sure I have a coc.... think it was needed to register the 14 here in Austria when I brought it over from the UK,  If I have I'll scan It and post it up...

[Mikey]

"Helpful" Update from Suzuki GB

Dear Mike,

Thank you for your email to Suzuki GB Plc.

Firstly, please accept our apologies that your initial email has not been responded to. It would appear that the email was blocked by our internal servers; we have raised this issue internally directly with the I.T Manager, here at Head Office.

In regards to your enquiry regarding the emissions for your model, we have checked the model details and notice that, as it was first registered in March 2002, it will not meet Euro 3 status. In 2004 Certificate of Conformity's became a legal requirement for all vehicles / motorcycles. Having discussed this matter with the Technical Department, we have been informed that, due to the date your motorcycle was manufactured, there will not be a Certificate of Conformity in existence for your vehicle; therefore, we are unable to provide you with the emissions data.

In order to further assist you, we would suggest, perhaps, you contact an independent specialist to arrange for an emissions testing to be carried out on your model, by a TFL (Transport for London) approved testing station, to establish whether or not it meets the change in legislation. For more information, please contact the Transport for London https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone or https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/motorcycles-mopeds-and-more#on-this-page-0

We understand that this response may fall short of your expectations and, for that, we sincerely apologise.

We would like to thank you for contacting Suzuki GB Plc. Should you require any assistance, on another matter, please do contact us on 08085 011959.

Kind regards,
Natalie
Customer Services Executive
Suzuki GB PLC
Steinbeck Crescent, Snelshall West, Milton Keynes, Buckinghamshire, MK4 4AE
t: 08085 011 959
e: customerservices@suzuki.co.ukwwww.suzuki.co.uk

[Mikey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIkS9xnv4IQ&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3en5gZYm8d9SE14J9x4h_Q2Sn7typlWHI4RWxP3zrIaf6oCglhJMrN7XQ

The only option appears to be the only place in London that has been certified by TFL to test at the cost of £175!

Riverbank Motorcycles in Hackney Wick +44 20 8983 4896

I guess it's not worth having it tested if the other member's CoCs are stating 0.18, unless there is a "fix" to reduce the NOx.

Does anyone know of a fix or has a contact in VW who will certainly know how to cheat the system? 

[Andre]

Run the engine a bit richer and/or retard timing.

(No affiliation with VW  )

Screenshots from https://www.coursehero.com/file/p485c7m/A-Air-Fuel-Mixture-AFR-POWER-ECONOMY-COHC-NOx-LEAN-LOW-HIGH-LOW-HIGH-RICH-HIGH/

[Andre]

Some options to run richer:

- PC III or PC V
- Yoshi box or Niko fuel adjuster
- Resistor IAT modification
- Some Suzuki dealers are able and willing to do the adjustment for you at little cost (at least here in Germany)

For Ignition retardation

- Do the opposite of this http://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=144.0

- If you have a TRE, disable it.