Bike Smoking when coming off revs, Rider behind said smells very rich after new

[Xdiavel]

Eric, try the Italian tune up first, if you're gonna do the rings any way, why not?    I could say, ya just might get lucky, but you've proved that's another bloke.

Hi,

Trust me I have given this bike the full berries many times to see if it would help, lol

Goes well and smokes well haha

[Andre]

Goes well and smokes well haha

Me too

[Xdiavel]

Well I have bit the bullet and ordered the parts. I have a week off near the end of the month so will get stripping and building then as parts arrive.

Will give me something to do haha

Thanks for all suggestions guys, Much appreciated 

[Xdiavel]

I just knew this would get back to hone or not. There was never a decision in earlier threads. Suzuki say no, others say yes. Steve Porter used to be on here, worth a look at his opinion, he honed composite Ducati with the old toilet brush hone.

I will inspect the cylinder walls first before making that decision I feel. Will make sure there is good cross hatching etc, the guy in the attached thread didn't and he had success so will go with Suzuki's guidance on this one. 

[Barbastro K6]

Very good guide this article.
Thank you xdiavel and the whole group of selfless helpers!

[Will14]

Whatever happened to Lucky13? he was always about on the old Org.

If I remember correctly his 14 caught fire on a Sunday morning ride out & the bike was no more, don't recall what happened after that with him though, although I seem to recall he was getting married tho so that probably put paid to any fun for a few years!

[Will14]

Probably not the case but whats the history of the bike, you mention no power commander, could a previous owner have had the ECU flashed & it is causing over fueling at higher temps as has been mentioned previously? depending on what ECU you have fitted (some have one big plug others have two different size plugs) I have a spare ECU off a K2 that I would be willing to post to you depending where you are to rule an ECU fault out if that helps. All I would ask is that you post it back to me once tested

Cheers, Pete

Hi Will,

That is amazingly kind of you, Thank you. I don't think I will try that just on the basis I believe I am seeing Oil on top of the cylinder (picture I posted earlier in the thread on the left side of the piston) And feel the smoke is more burnt oil than Fuel at this stage sadly.

I have no idea how this has even happened but feel I have been stitched up. I have done nothing but work on this bike trying to figure this issue out all the time I have owned it. I have too much money and time invested in it now to sell it and will not pass this issue on to somebody else to deal with as it goes against what I stand for.

I go away on Holiday in a week so will start stripping it down to the pistons when I return and try sourcing the parts I will need. As it's only a weekend toy there is no urgency so can try to enjoy it. If that is even a thing working on bikes 

But at least I can say I did it if all goes well and will have an as new bike at the end of it I can run in properly and start a fresh. After than if it still does it then I am truly at a loss :-(

No problem, good luck with the strip down & rebuild, the offer stands if required

[Hooli]

Whatever happened to Lucky13? he was always about on the old Org.

If I remember correctly his 14 caught fire on a Sunday morning ride out & the bike was no more, don't recall what happened after that with him though, although I seem to recall he was getting married tho so that probably put paid to any fun for a few years!

Damn I don't remember that story at all!

[grog]

Xdiavel, sure hope this is the fix🤞🏻Hard to understand why? Then again,Mate had Z1 Kawa and its rings never bedded from new, more smoke than yours.

[Xdiavel]

Well people,

I am lost for words! I stripped it down today and as expected all 4 pistons crowns are wet with oil, mainly where the exhaust valves sit but then they are sloping down at the front.

As you can see from the video link all the rings are free and look new. (Changing them anyway) but the valve heads on the exhaust valves all look wet.

BUT looking through the exhaust holes all the stems are bone dry so do not see any oil running down them to the cylinder.

Cylinders all have great cross hatching as seen.

I really cannot figure this out!

https://youtu.be/WDEGkkW0Aok?si=NT8BRmWxYy9gI6YM

[KiwiCol]

I wonder if the rings just never bedded in initially?     It's not coming from the top, it's not coming from the head gasket, there's no other place it can come from except below - past the rings. 

[T250]

Does sound like it may not have been run in properly and the rings never sealed/bedded in properly as Kiwicol mentioned

[GSXKING]

Perhaps you can monitor your engine oil usage. I know it only takes a poofteenth of oil to show smoke. So it may take a fair amount of time. Just my two cents worth 

[Barbastro K6]

I assume that the condition and color of the spark plugs is all correct.
No oil leakage into spark plugs

[grog]

Great speedy work stripping and posting video👍Maybe get an engine shops opinion on cross hatching? In 50 odd yrs of motors i never re ringed one without honing.Know nothing on composite bores.