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Title: More Frustration
Post by: Red Biker on Friday, 16 February 2018, 09:23 PM
Hi All,
I'm having a bit of a mare with various bits, the latest is around getting the rear wheel back on, the coaters put a new bearing in and I can't get the spindle past it even when just on a bench so offered up to the bike whilst balancing the spacers I've got no chance!

Where the spindle tapers of it's hitting the lip of the bearing, I've given it a good old whack with my top lad (hammer) but no joy!

Any help much appreciated as always  :notworthy:

Red
Title: Re: More Frustration
Post by: seth on Friday, 16 February 2018, 09:25 PM
Is it the same if you try putting in from the other side ?
Title: Re: More Frustration
Post by: Andre on Friday, 16 February 2018, 09:43 PM
Wrong bearings? Check the numbers on the bearings.
Title: Re: More Frustration
Post by: Red Biker on Friday, 16 February 2018, 09:49 PM
Hi Seth,
I didnt try going the full way through from the other side but I did get past the bearing from the wrong side
Title: Re: More Frustration
Post by: Red Biker on Friday, 16 February 2018, 09:49 PM
Quote from: Andre on Friday, 16 February  2018, 09:43 PM
Wrong bearings? Check the numbers on the bearings.

thanks Andre, I know where he got them from so could ask them  :onya:
Title: Re: More Frustration
Post by: Andre on Friday, 16 February 2018, 10:07 PM
If they installed them correctly you can see the numbers on them. Or measure the inside diameter (28mm).
60/28-2RS/C3 these are the numbers on mine. The 60/28 has to be on there, the other stuff can be different. Actual dimensions are 28x52x12mm.

If they are correct size then maybe the bearing lip is damaged. Take a finger to it and feel.

Have they installed it crooked (not all the way in and slanted)?
Title: Re: More Frustration
Post by: Speedy1959 on Friday, 16 February 2018, 10:32 PM
Red...
After I had my wheels powder coated I took a full set of Koyo bearings to the "experts" they installed 1 of the front bearings in the rear and one of the rear in the front..
In then end, after buying ANOTHER set of Koyo bearings I installed the new ones myself.
I am betting the same mistake has been made with yours..
I got the front wheel on fine as one of the bearings was too large an internal diameter.
The rear I got the axle through the 1st bearing but not the sprocket side..

Simon
Title: Re: More Frustration
Post by: Red Biker on Friday, 16 February 2018, 10:35 PM
Thanks Guys,
And thanks for the call Seth, lots to look at starting with checking the parts are correct!

There is hope!!
Title: Re: More Frustration
Post by: seth on Friday, 16 February 2018, 10:47 PM
Good luck buddy hope its just the center spacer thats out of alinement and easy sorted .

:cheers:
Title: Re: More Frustration
Post by: Red Biker on Friday, 16 February 2018, 11:16 PM
You can just see the lip I'm hitting here:

Title: Re: More Frustration
Post by: seth on Friday, 16 February 2018, 11:32 PM
Yes the center spacer is looking like favourite to be your problem.
Good luck buddy  :cheers:
Title: Re: More Frustration
Post by: Andre on Friday, 16 February 2018, 11:42 PM
Don't need number to see that this is wrong.  If this is an original rear wheel you got the wrong part(s) in it! You got a dust seal in there where no dust seal is supposed to go. Only dust seal on the rear goes on the sprocket carrier. Looks like you went to the same "experts" as Simon. Bearing is probably front wheel too.
Title: Re: More Frustration
Post by: Speedy1959 on Friday, 16 February 2018, 11:48 PM
I agree Andre..
Looks like its too small an inner diameter to me.
I.E Front wheel bearing in the rear..
Red....
If you can be bothered see if the front axle just happens to fit perfectly in that rear bearing.!!!
And as Andre says they put the extra seal in where it shouldnt.
Caused my wheel spacer to bind on the seal badly, making a lot of redistance when I tried to turn the wheel with the bike on the centre stand.
Title: Re: More Frustration
Post by: seth on Saturday, 17 February 2018, 12:07 AM
The seal shouldn't be there on that side or the other side
Only seal is on the sprocket carrier 
Sorry i was to busy looking at the spacer to realise there was a bearing fitted .
Yes also check they didnt fit 1 wrong bearing ie a front in the rear using the axle and if only 1 set of bearings were ordered check the front just to double check the correct ones are in there .
:cheers:
Title: Re: More Frustration
Post by: Red Biker on Saturday, 17 February 2018, 01:43 AM
Thanks all, plan is to call the Coater guy and ask the question, the front seemed ok when I fitted, it does spin but not what you'd call 'freely'

Appreciate all the expert diagnosis 👍
Title: Re: More Frustration
Post by: Andre on Saturday, 17 February 2018, 02:19 AM
The bearings need to be pulled and replaced with new. You should NOT reuse them!!!
Title: Re: More Frustration
Post by: Red Biker on Sunday, 18 February 2018, 04:21 AM
So.... turns out the bearings were the correct ones but..... it wasn't fully located. Just popped the dust seal off and the axle now goes all the way through 👍

Turns out this was just the start of a long day, it's the first time I've tried to put the back wheel on myself and fun me what a ball ache, could have done with two pairs of hands!
That effin little funny shaped gasket thing, I think I'll be hearing the sound of that dropping on the floor in my sleep tonight!
20 attempts in finally got the axle through with all the bits in place only to realise I'd threaded the wrong chain adjuster on the front end fun me could have kicked the bike over!

Another 12 attempts and 3 hours later success! I'll sleep tonight

Thanks again for all the input from you guys 👍 I'd have been lost without you


Title: Re: More Frustration
Post by: Andre on Sunday, 18 February 2018, 04:32 AM
Reminds me of my first rear wheel bout. Almost forgot that. When you have done it a few more times you can hardly believe how PIA it was the first time.

P.S. Hot wheels :onya:
Title: Re: More Frustration
Post by: Red Biker on Sunday, 18 February 2018, 05:00 AM
I'll take that 'crumb' of comfort Andre!
I hadn't had a drink since Xmas but havin a couple tonight 😩
Title: Re: More Frustration
Post by: seth on Sunday, 18 February 2018, 06:08 AM
Now you've done it once it gets easier for another time  :clapping:
It's going to look ace when its finished . :onya:
Glad you got it sorted finally without having to strip the wheels again . :drool:
Title: Re: More Frustration
Post by: Red Biker on Sunday, 18 February 2018, 06:45 AM
Thanks Seth,
It's fingers crossed for the oil pan repair now, used wet and dry to smooth out the scratches and sealed with liquid gasket.
I'm leaving it overnight before putting the oil back in  :notworthy:

Cheers
Nigel
Title: Re: More Frustration
Post by: seth on Sunday, 18 February 2018, 06:53 AM
I've heard of folk using a dowty washer (think its a barmy tip) to help seal the sump plug .
:cheers:
Title: Re: More Frustration
Post by: gsxbarmy on Sunday, 18 February 2018, 08:45 AM
Next time you have your rear wheel out and are putting it back in, put the wheel on a shovel, as leaning on the shovel neatly lifts it up into position, and makes it easier to get all the other bits in place. Also a couple of small dollops of grease hold that pesky "gasket thing" you refer to, in place.

Once you've done it a few times Nigel, it comes much easier buddy  :onya:
Title: Re: More Frustration
Post by: Sweaty on Sunday, 18 February 2018, 09:09 AM
Good to read you finally got it sorted Red, what a PIA that was for you.
Wheels look sensational on the bike though and match beautifully. :cheers:
Title: Re: More Frustration
Post by: froudy on Sunday, 18 February 2018, 05:36 PM
As Barmy said use a shovel...OR as I now use..Two large wooden wedges.
You can chock the wheel perfectly in alignment to slide the spindle straight in. It's simple and no effort lifting and holding the wheel required.
Title: Re: More Frustration
Post by: shanered6 on Sunday, 18 February 2018, 06:44 PM
Ye as already said the more you do it the better it gets and you will be able to do it in your sleep ... so no sleepless nights then  :imrgreen:.
But the bike is looking sweet !!!  :clapping:
Title: Re: More Frustration
Post by: Red Biker on Monday, 19 February 2018, 01:53 AM
Thanks for all the tips guys, I'll have another chance to put them into action later in the summer when the tyres get changed.

Good news on the oil pan, oil is back in and so far no leak  :notworthy: so started puting a few bits back on, just a couple of down pipes, front fender and calipers to go now.


Title: Re: More Frustration
Post by: Red Biker on Saturday, 03 March 2018, 08:47 PM
Had a real golden hour early this morning. Nervously opened the garage door hoping to see no sign of an oil leak after using the liquid gasket on my damaged oil pan.

Success (so far) I did it on Sunday so next stage will be to start her up maybe tomorrow 🤞

Also I had to remove the rear wheel again (don't ask )😢 but thanks to all the tips on this thread I had it off and on again in 20 mins 🤘

Happy Red

Title: Re: More Frustration
Post by: Andre on Saturday, 03 March 2018, 08:57 PM
Quote from: Red Biker on Saturday, 03 March  2018, 08:47 PM
Also I had to remove the rear wheel again (don't ask )😢 but thanks to all the tips on this thread I had it off and on again in 20 mins 🤘

Of cause you were just practicing  :grin: Maybe a pit stop mechanic job in your future?
Title: Re: More Frustration
Post by: seth on Saturday, 03 March 2018, 09:14 PM
Good new hopefully sump is ok .
More practice the more confident you'll become
:cheers:
Title: Re: More Frustration
Post by: Red Biker on Saturday, 03 March 2018, 10:01 PM
Quote from: Andre on Saturday, 03 March  2018, 08:57 PM
Quote from: Red Biker on Saturday, 03 March  2018, 08:47 PM
Also I had to remove the rear wheel again (don't ask )😢 but thanks to all the tips on this thread I had it off and on again in 20 mins 🤘

Not sure about that Andre, I'd be the one who sets themselves on fire 🔥

2 bits of wood to hold the wheel in place and poke the axle out with a metal pipe to hold the left side is the secret 👍
Of cause you were just practicing  :grin: Maybe a pit stop mechanic job in your future?