Forks gone solid

[KoZi]

@KoZi @grog  i've spent the day taking measurements.

Front is now showing :
1.5 rings
30mm sag (just the bike)
40mm sag (me & bike)

Rear:
On Ring No 1
10mm sag (just the bike)
32mm sag (me & bike)

I've not taken it out a run yet but hoping thats a good base to work from, does feel soft in the garage, but im comparing it to the gsx when it was solid and my zx6 track bike.

So in my eyes:
It is better BUT. Ideal base to start is always flat bike. You have a little diferences but not tragic.
Front is little to soft still BUT do you know what springs do you have ? This is important because if you have very high progressive springs when you will increase preload the changes will be cosmetic (inversely as on the linear springs) - go for 1 ring or 0,5.
Rear is good ! - whan compression and rebound numbers ? And important also - do the shocks were servised ? If not the oil in them is... "drama" and I recommended to serviced them.

[gmars70970]

Ive still to take it a test ride but i've left the front at the setting i had on my last run out.

Tyre pressure - 38psi
Rebound - 7 clicks from hard
Compression - 6 clicks from hard

Front is filled with 10w oil rather than 5w oil, but no idea on the springs, I'd imagine its standard. I bought the bike 2yrs ago with 16,000 miles on it.

Rear is set at No 2 on both settings but not tried it on the road yet.

[Eric GSX1400K3]

Ive still to take it a test ride but i've left the front at the setting i had on my last run out.

Tyre pressure - 38psi
Rebound - 7 clicks from hard
Compression - 6 clicks from hard

Front is filled with 10w oil rather than 5w oil, but no idea on the springs, I'd imagine its standard. I bought the bike 2yrs ago with 16,000 miles on it.

Rear is set at No 2 on both settings but not tried it on the road yet.

Sounds similar to my settings, although my standard forks (I.e. assuming linear springs) are now running 5W oil after a full rebuild.

I've got the rears set on 2 at the bottom and 3 at the top and this seems ok for me, preload 3 rings showing.

I would be interested to know how you go with your settings.  Mine I did on a road run, I still need to write them down

[grog]

Not at all an expert, far from. Ive found since Wilbers progressive springs fitted in forks, settings very soft, much improved ride, still very controlled. Major improvement over stock. Best thing was no diving under brakes, between gear changes etc. I think 7.5 is my fork oil. I was offered Race Tech internal  valve adjusters at time, was a lot of money, never bothered. Probably best mod ive done along with service on standard shocks at same time. I run them lightly also, bike now works perfectly between fr and rear, feels like an old perfectly set up Ducati. some will know what i mean.

[Hooli]

Rattles, clanks & bits fall off?

[KoZi]

Not at all an expert, far from. Ive found since Wilbers progressive springs fitted in forks, settings very soft, much improved ride, still very controlled. Major improvement over stock. Best thing was no diving under brakes, between gear changes etc. I think 7.5 is my fork oil. I was offered Race Tech internal  valve adjusters at time, was a lot of money, never bothered. Probably best mod ive done along with service on standard shocks at same time. I run them lightly also, bike now works perfectly between fr and rear, feels like an old perfectly set up Ducati. some will know what i mean.

I've already bought Race Tech gold kit - waiting to put them on.

[GSXKING]

UMMMM sorry if this sounds stupid, however when you are winding out it makes the opening larger and allows flow of oil more quickly so it's softer and winding inwards makes it restrict and causes firmer rate. My suggestion is open everything to maximum and take it for a ride. Make notes of the settings and what the bike feels like. Make adjustments back inwards and repeat. If you can ride the same road for your test as a comparison good. 

[gmars70970]

Thats my plan now @GSXKING

Had it out a spin today and feels ok, but when pushing on a wee bit the back felt soft. So i'll give it a wee tweak and give it a run tmrw again on the same road 👍

[GSXKING]

Not at all an expert, far from. Ive found since Wilbers progressive springs fitted in forks, settings very soft, much improved ride, still very controlled. Major improvement over stock. Best thing was no diving under brakes, between gear changes etc. I think 7.5 is my fork oil. I was offered Race Tech internal  valve adjusters at time, was a lot of money, never bothered. Probably best mod ive done along with service on standard shocks at same time. I run them lightly also, bike now works perfectly between fr and rear, feels like an old perfectly set up Ducati. some will know what i mean.

I've already bought Race Tech gold kit - waiting to put them on.

Of course you have Kozi 

[VladTepes]

What do  "Race Tech internal  valve adjusters" actually do?

[grog]

Racetech gold valves
Racetech G3-LD Gold valves;

There is a limitation with re-valving as we are limited to the parameters of the stock piston design. By replacing the stock piston with a Gold Valve we can now exceed those limitations and extend our tuning capability. When it comes to manipulating oil flow, piston design is key. The very force that shim stacks will experience is determined by the dimension of the piston port area.

Larger ports are desirable where less progression is required. Smaller ports for more progression. Progression is a word whose sound is better than its meaning. We all like the sound but in fact, we can get too much of a good thing. To "progress" simply means to transition from one state to another. In suspension terms, we transition from soft to hard. If damping is too progressive we will experience a lack of initial control followed by extreme harshness......very soft to very hard.

The valve allows maximum tunability leading naturally to maximum performance. This is very exciting for Alltech suspension the ability to solve so many problems with so few limitations.

For Motocross, Offroad, Trial, Hillclimb, Supermoto, Street, Road Race, Drag Racing and many other applications.

[KiwiCol]

Typed all that just off the top of yer head then Grog?        Good man!!   

[grog]

Col, copy n paste a good tool. Does explain i hope.Basically for super fussy set ups. A bit advanced for me.

[Eric GSX1400K3]

The explanation seems a bit chinesium to me.

Basically these valves allow more fine tuning of fork Rebound, compression and damping

[grog]

Thanks for helping Eric, i just pasted what site said. Yours easier.