Oil Change Without Removing Sump Plug

[nickygee11]

Hi Lads and Lasses

Does anybody have experience of draining oil without removing sump plug, and how did you achieve it?

Last oil change, I stripped the thread on sum plug.  Managed to install a replacement and loc-tite it in place and it's been solid for the intervening 3k miles but would rather avoid removing sump plug again if possible

Thanks in advance

Nickygee

[Mick_J]

The only way I can think of is to remove the sump but that might cause more problems.  Might be a case of getting your sump repaired properly.

[seth]

Only way I can see is to remove the sump .

[Suzuki boi]

Ye Im not sure if those oil draining pumps that work on the cars will work on a bike.
I can't see the tube reaching down to the sump through were you put oil in.
Only way as Seth said is remove sump but I can' see that being fairly messy?

[nickygee11]

Thanks for the feedback, as I thought.  I did try to get a hose in for a vacuum pump that I have used on cars before but no way of getting into the sump.  Guess I'll just get in about to the plug and see how it looks this time. 

[grog]

Nicky obviously perfect way is sump off and repair or maybe fit helicoil in situ. Other chance is get fumoto, thats what i use. Lots dont like but i do. Glue it in with Stagg, great product.DI03140

[Notty]

I got a fumoto off Barmy and its soooo easy to do oil changes 

[nickygee11]

https://www.quickvalve.co.uk/f111_details.htm

This looks like the fella...once installed, shouldn't need to remove again. 

[seth]

@nickygee11
Just be carefull to get one that doesn't stuck to far below the bike as they can catch the road on speed bumps ECT.
I think there are several different designs and models of these things .

[KiwiCol]

@nickygee11
Just be carefull to get one that doesn't stuck to far below the bike as they can catch the road on speed bumps ECT.
I think there are several different designs and models of these things .

I can personally vouch for what Seth says above.  Has to be a big pothole or very high speed bump, but I managed to find one many hundreds of kilometers from home.  New sump req.

[T 24]

I made a new bigger thread and bigger drain plug to my GS !000 G years ago, or you can use helicoil etc. thread repair kit.

[steve porter]

Not sure how to post photos on here, so will just add that if you use a hellicoil without grinding away a portion of the thread once installed you won't get full oil drainage as there is quite a cutout in the sump and only a few threads at the very bottom of the  hole that go the full 360 degrees of the hole, when I did the first oil change on mine I found that the sump had been stripped and the plug loctited or glued in, I removed the sump to hellicoil it but decided against it because of the design and ended up purchasing a new sump

[steve porter]

Not sure how to post photos on here, so will just add that if you use a hellicoil without grinding away a portion of the thread once installed you won't get full oil drainage as there is quite a cutout in the sump and only a few threads at the very bottom of the  hole that go the full 360 degrees of the hole, when I did the first oil change on mine I found that the sump had been stripped and the plug loctited or glued in, I removed the sump to hellicoil it but decided against it because of the design and ended up purchasing a new sump

there you go, as you can see  if you hellicoil it without grinding out the cutout section you will be left with a fair amount of oil in the sump

[Tony Nitrous]

Not sure how to post photos on here, so will just add that if you use a hellicoil without grinding away a portion of the thread once installed you won't get full oil drainage as there is quite a cutout in the sump and only a few threads at the very bottom of the  hole that go the full 360 degrees of the hole, when I did the first oil change on mine I found that the sump had been stripped and the plug loctited or glued in, I removed the sump to hellicoil it but decided against it because of the design and ended up purchasing a new sump

Hardly an issue when the oil filter is normally left full of dirty oil anyway, and there are several areas around the motor that won't fully drain.

Oil Change... 4.2ltr
With filter..... 4.8ltr
Full overhaul...... 5.7ltr.

Whatever you put in at the next oil change, take it away from 5.7ltr and that's what sat in the oil cooler, head etc.

[Andre]

Without filter change ca. 1.5 liter, with filter change 0.9 liter remain. However, with the cutout blocked I think some "sludge" collected on the sump's bottom won't get flushed out. There is a reason why it's designed that way.