Super tight rear upper shock bolt removal - noob

[steve porter]

Do as froudy suggested, or use a sharp cold chisel to turn it by tapping it around, 100 % success guaranteed  using the shock method compared to 0% with an easy out on a bolt that tight, it'll break and you will be pissed and down an easy out

[Notty]

Do as froudy suggested, or use a sharp cold chisel to turn it by tapping it around, 100 % success guaranteed  using the shock method compared to 0% with an easy out on a bolt that tight, it'll break and you will be pissed and down an easy out

I just pop over to Froudy's as I am not that good with mechanical bits with my arthuritus 
@froudy

[froudy]

Is it out yet?

[Hooli]

That's what she said 

[Mick_J]

That's what she said 

That's better than her asking if it's in yet 

[SA14]

Is it out yet?

Ha, no. I tried to get the vice grips onto it but no room to swing them. Had a busy day of headlights today but tomorrow off. I'll give it a go because in Adelaide this week and weekend is the best riding weather we've had in months.

That's what she said 

That's better than her asking if it's in yet 

Haha, people told me this place was a little weird. I'll fit right in I hope.

[KiwiCol]

Is it out yet?

Ha, no. I tried to get the vice grips onto it but no room to swing them. Had a busy day of headlights today but tomorrow off. I'll give it a go because in Adelaide this week and weekend is the best riding weather we've had in months.

That's what she said 

That's better than her asking if it's in yet 

Haha, people told me this place was a little weird. I'll fit right in I hope.

Yes, but remember Notty is not a real person, just an AI program inserted by 'Mike da Boss'

[Notty]

Is it out yet?

Ha, no. I tried to get the vice grips onto it but no room to swing them. Had a busy day of headlights today but tomorrow off. I'll give it a go because in Adelaide this week and weekend is the best riding weather we've had in months.

That's what she said 

That's better than her asking if it's in yet 

Haha, people told me this place was a little weird. I'll fit right in I hope.

Yes, but remember Notty is not a real person, just an AI program inserted by 'Mike da Boss'

I am real !! Honest !! Froudy will vouch for me
@froudy 

[froudy]

I am real !! Honest !! Froudy will vouch for me
@froudy 

Yes..Notty is real
Here he is trying to work out how to swing a leg over my old DRZ400

[grog]

He mustve done great, you gave him a 10. 😂

[KiwiCol]

Froudy is a master of photography & with that comes image manipulation.      The above pic shows the results he can achieve, photoshopping some poor old geeza into a bike pic to further enhance the illusion that Notty is an actual person.     

[Notty]

Froudy is a master of photography & with that comes image manipulation.      The above pic shows the results he can achieve, photoshopping some poor old geeza into a bike pic to further enhance the illusion that Notty is an actual person.     

It it the drugs Col? This is the real Notty !! 

[KiwiCol]

Yar mon!

[gsxbarmy]

If you had the OEM bolts in the mount, I'd be less concerned. However from your pictures, they are most definitely the bolts that Givi supply which are pretty damn soft.

Personally I'd get some Plus Gas and get that down the threads - Plus Gas is very thin and gets in where stuff like WD40 doesn't. Without bolting it up, try doing and undoing the bolt using loads of Plus Gas as you go and (hopefully) eventually bit by bit it will come out. If you don't have Plus Gas, use ACF50, works just as well, if neither then WD40 will work as well, but may take a little longer.

[SA14]

If you had the OEM bolts in the mount, I'd be less concerned. However from your pictures, they are most definitely the bolts that Givi supply which are pretty damn soft.

Personally I'd get some Plus Gas and get that down the threads - Plus Gas is very thin and gets in where stuff like WD40 doesn't. Without bolting it up, try doing and undoing the bolt using loads of Plus Gas as you go and (hopefully) eventually bit by bit it will come out. If you don't have Plus Gas, use ACF50, works just as well, if neither then WD40 will work as well, but may take a little longer.

That would explain it. I think the bolt is bent from being half undone for dog knows how long. It's properly fucked and yeah I was super surprised when the allen key just rotated. I tried screw extractors but they all destroyed themselves. Made in China out of "dontgiveafuckanite" so the only option was to break off a drill bit deep in the bolt which I've done successfully. Next step - grinder. So I ground a slot into it with a cutting disc but the big arse screwdriver wouldn't budge it. It's welded in solid.

My only next option is to hire a mobile welder to come and weld a nut on there and hopefully it won't snap when undoing. I'm guessing it will. Not sure what to do with a snaped drill in there though. Further drilling is out of the question. Might have to trailer it to an engineering shop. 

My instincts were right in the first place. I should have just took to that frame with a grinder but no... I had to try it the proper way. Serves me right.

There's no such thing as "plus gas" in Australia. I've drowned it in WD40 for the last two nights. It's stuck for sure. I tried slamming on a socket right over the whole head (saw it once when trying to get a locking lug nut off a wheel) but it won't have it. The head seems hardened but the allen hole was soft. Me no understandy.

Now that I've got a slot maybe smashing the fuck out of it with an impact driver might budge it.

Or, what about grinding the bolt head right off so I can remove the shock and (stoopid) carrier frame (which I will throw as far as I can)? I'll then grind off the rest of the bolt and that might grind down past the snapped off drill allowing me to drill the whole thing out and retap (providing my super chinese tap doesn't also break off (which I'm totally expecting).