First Aid & Accident Scene Management for motorcyclists?

[VladTepes]

1. Who has had first aid training appropriate to a motorcycle context?

2. Who has had accident scene management training?

3.Who carries a traume / proper first aid kit with them when they ride?



My first aid quals are out of date - so I must remedy that in the short term.

I have also recently bought a bunch of stuff to put together a proper first aid / trauma kit that is compact and can be carried on a bike or in a backpack easily.

I'll be doing some posts here and a video or two about all that in due course.


@Proteous perhaps you can offer some insight on this subject too.
Any other medical and/or first responder peeps on here as well?

[KiwiCol]

Proteous hasn't looked in since February.  He might not see the post till your stuff has past it's expiry date.

[VladTepes]

Thanks KC -

Well the question applies to everyone !

[seth]

We did a course in Scotland call
Biker down
Has accident scene management
First aid (including helmet removal which is a 2 person specialized process)
Aed/defibrillator training.
It's a joint thing by the the fire service ,ambulance service and police .
All are bikers.
We'll re do it annually .

Google bikerdown you should find the site with details of what's involved
Only on Scotland and parts of the UK but worth a look .

[gsxbarmy]

1. Who has had first aid training appropriate to a motorcycle context?

2. Who has had accident scene management training?

3.Who carries a traume / proper first aid kit with them when they ride?



My first aid quals are out of date - so I must remedy that in the short term.

I have also recently bought a bunch of stuff to put together a proper first aid / trauma kit that is compact and can be carried on a bike or in a backpack easily.

I'll be doing some posts here and a video or two about all that in due course.


@Proteous perhaps you can offer some insight on this subject too.
Any other medical and/or first responder peeps on here as well?

I did the Biker Down course in the UK which covers points 1 and 2 and you get a first aid kit to carry (which I do) on the course, so for me I can say "yes" to 1, 2 and 3

[seth]

We always carry a first aid kit and now have an app on our phones so you can find the nearest AED/defibrillator to your location too.
I also have the hands only C.P.R. app on my phone to help keep the rythem and depth of chest compressions right (can do without but if it helps why not)
I'd suggest everyone gets some kind of regular first aid training and if it's motorcycle bias even better.
I last used my training on Sunday .
Nobody seriously hurt a few grazes and accident scene management.
A young lad came off when a car pulled out on him all low speed and low impact

The young girl driving was in a worse state with shock .

[VladTepes]

  lads

As for helmet removaL - NEVER do it unless patient is in a full face helmet and not breathing.

[gsxbarmy]

lads

As for helmet removaL - NEVER do it unless patient is in a full face helmet and not breathing.

Nope that's no longer strictly correct @VladTepes (at least in the UK)  - full face and other helmets CAN be removed - however you have to know how to remove them properly (as taught on the UK on the Biker Down courses). Of course it may be different down under, but they teach you on the UK courses how to safely remove them (the myth that your head expands if you come off and hit it is exactly that - a myth)

[Dusty ST]

I've dine the UK Biker Down course twice now, which covers 1 and 2.
First time about five years ago, they gave everyone a 1st Aid kit, which I've not carried, but I did use when my step son tried to cut his finger off while cheffing in the kitchen.
I usually carry a very much cut down pocket size 1st Aid kit with paracetamol, ibuprofen, bite/sting relief, antihistamines, and a couple of plasters. Which covers anything you can practically deal with.
Second time, last year, no freebies.
They do teach how to remove a helmet, but it's only something you do if you have to to prevent a bad situation getting worse, so breathing problems etc.
Also worth noting getting a helmet off on a nice clear floor isn't easy, I can't imagine what it's like to do in a field/ditch etc...

[seth]

@VladTepes They teach everything about helmet removal on the bikerdown course .
Both how and when up remove it .
It's not a 1 person technique and only done if as said the person is either unresponsive or unable to breath and it should only be done if you know what your doing and how to do it.
It's a very good full day course and very well tought.
I'd recommend anyone that can get to do this course should .
Just for info I also did the 5 day first aid course for my work so I am 1of the department first aiders there too.

[Dusty ST]

I'd recommend anyone that can get to do this course should .

Yes, forgot to say I've recommend everyone gives it a go.
It's all simple stuff that applies to all sorts of activities, not just motorcycling, and you don't remember it all, but just having an idea of what to do, and avoiding the 'I wish I'd known....'  situation 

[VladTepes]

If someone is breathing there's no reason at all I can think of to remove a helmet.
It's nothing to do with 'expanding heads' and everything to do with avoiding exacerbation of potential spinal damage. 


Having said that, its great they are teaching how to do it IF it is required. 

[froudy]

I did a Biker Down course a few years ago. Very useful and informative, but I definitely need to do a refresher as I've forgotton most of it now.
They do the courses all around the UK, mostly in fire stations.

https://www.roadwise.co.uk/bikerdown/

[Hooli]

If someone is breathing there's no reason at all I can think of to remove a helmet.
It's nothing to do with 'expanding heads' and everything to do with avoiding exacerbation of potential spinal damage. 


Having said that, its great they are teaching how to do it IF it is required. 

Bleeding so bad they are going to drown in the blood shortly etc etc, there are reasons that are valid.

[Taniwha]

I've had training up to, Oh, I suppose corpsman level. Give or take.
I've also been trained in both on-scene and emergency traffic management and I utilize that huge underseat storage area to carry a fairly comprehensive first aid kit.