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Started by Kiwifruit, Friday, 26 October 2018, 08:11 AM

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Tony Nitrous

Quote from: MarkN on Friday, 26 October  2018, 05:07 PM
Quote from: Tony Nitrous on Friday, 26 October  2018, 04:18 PM
If I ever question living in Australia and how it's managed, I spend some time in the UK.  It never fails to make me put the UK passport away and proudly hold up my AU one and be glad to come back here.

We looked at joining you about ten years ago but we were both too old to be considered for employment  :thumbs_down: I love my country but hate what's happening to it

My parents were all set to be "£10 Poms" but quit at the last minute.

I was born and lived in Kidderminster for 40 years. I love the history, the countryside etc etc. It's not a terrible place but it didn't suit me, I hate the cold and I wasn't impressed with the way things were changing with the EU / economy. AU is far from perfect but suits me better.
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Mick_J

Great Britain is a great country with a great history but it's run by people who only care for themselves and what they can get out of it, not the country or the people who live here.  We are now so PC only a white man can be a racist and only the minority can change laws to suit.
Keep the rubber side down.          Mick

shanered6

Quote from: mjgt on Friday, 26 October  2018, 06:53 PM
Great Britain is a great country with a great history but it's run by people who only care for themselves and what they can get out of it, not the country or the people who live here.  We are now so PC only a white man can be a racist and only the minority can change laws to suit.

spot on !!  :clapping:
i intend to live for ever or die trying !!

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grog

Probably had too many beers to comment on our Aussie state of affairs. My comments wouldnt be good. Used to be a great place.

Mister Fishfinger

I think it would be safer for me not to comment, as I am very likely the PC guy you are all complaining about  :rofl2:

lil4399

Quote from: Mister Fishfinger on Friday, 26 October  2018, 09:30 PM
I think it would be safer for me not to comment, as I am very likely the PC guy you are all complaining about  :rofl2:

No, there are two of us. :boogie:  do we get our own sub section?   :whistling:
If you are going to run out of fuel, do it in your garage.

It's only a short walk to the kettle.

lil4399

Quote from: Tony Nitrous on Friday, 26 October  2018, 03:59 PM
Australia need migrants. What it needs are skilled, hard working migrants not free loaders and dole bludgers, Australia has shown it is quite capable of breeding plenty of those.

Migrants who go through the right channels have skills, money, health, education, police checks, and are a benefit to the country, unlike many who were born here.
The biggest joke are the "Fuck off we're full" bumper stickers, normally on vehicles driven by folk that couldn't get into Australia if they were born elsewhere, and don't realise how the migrant population keeps their country running and will be supporting them in old age and their dole bludging relatives.

We (Australians) have a growing elderly population and the current birthrate and young folk aren't in proportion to support this. The population really isn't the issue in Australia, the lack of infrastructure and work ethics is an issue. The population NEEDS to grow, but it needs to be managed and done correctly.

We should allow in skilled migrants that benefit the country.
We should take asylum seekers, GENUINE ones for who it's a mater of life and death, NOT everyone with a bullshit story who fancy's moving here.
We should also looking at the benefits we give to out own lazy meth heads.

40 years in the UK, 14 years in AU, regular visits back to the UK and trips to many other countries. Do we have a great government in AU? No, but there's a lot worse and much as I shake my head at those in power I'd still rather live here than the UK or anywhere else.

We need more Bob Katter / Dick Smith's types running the place and less corrupt union supporters and those that frequently back stab their own leaders.

I think you should be PM, preferably in the UK but I am sure Auz. would benefit from your approach also.

I am not sure  Political Correctness is the problem, watching the Brexit debate in the UK from across the water, the campaign was almost a competition as to who could lie the most without repercussion. A biased press lit the immigration fires and it just ran away with itself, to the point now where Racism and Racial aggression is now out of control.

Migrants in many professional spheres are fleeing the country they have lived and worked in for years. My local hospital here had two vacancies for doctors, the posts had been vacant for three years. Both posts have been filled in the last couple of months by French Doctors who had been in the UK for over a decade, in an interview they both quoted the rise in Racial abuse to themselves and their families since the referendum as the reason they have returned.

What is sad, (and surely corrupt) is the way a small group of very rich people have convinced a large part of the population that foriegners are the problem. For these elite, it is about tax avoidance, the EU are introducing measures to counter the amount of Tax not being paid but hidden "off shore". There is an absolute vaccum of truth, Politicians saying "we will revert to World Trade Organisation rules" but they don't mention they have to apply and that they have already been blocked by 6 countries including Russia and the USA.

The country depends on immigrants, and as you say for Auz.  These should be controlled and monitored, being in the EU we have "freedom of movement - FOM" where citizens can move to work or live in any EU state. - I benefit from this being Welsh and living in France. The British press has used FOM to blame the EU for mass migration. What they omit to tell the public is that there are restrictions in place to monitor/control and refuse entry to each country, but it is up to each country to implement them. The UK chose not to bother (one of only 3 countries out of the 28 not to bother) they just halved the number of immigration officers instead to save money to give even more tax cuts to the rich.

Like you, I wish those desperate for Brexit all the luck in the world, they are going to need it, but when the shit hits the fan, which it will, they will have to accept it is what they demanded.
If you are going to run out of fuel, do it in your garage.

It's only a short walk to the kettle.

Globalrider

All that has been said can apply to Canada as well :angry:
:hat:
Stan
I need to go somewhere I've not been but won't know until I get there!

Mister Fishfinger

I wish I could upvote lil4399 twice.

One thing I hear a lot, when it is suggested that there should be a vote on the exit deal, is along the lines of: "you remainers are just sore because you lost, you didn't like the result and so you want another vote - tough luck, that's democracy".

But how is it democracy to let parliament negotiate (?) a deal for 3 years, then trust them to deliver it without us ever having a say on the outcome? Especially when they've done essentially nothing for the first 2 years except fight among themselves. It's not even the same government we started with, thanks to Mrs May's ill-advised snap election.

You might be happy trusting these clowns to negotiate all the magical new international trade deals we're going to need, but personally I wouldn't even let them renew my broadband contract.

Kiwifruit

Pleased l am not alone in how l feel. I agree we need immigration. Qualified, skilled, hardworking people that can enhance and add something to NZ. People with similar cultural values or at the very least willing to integrate into the culture. Not those that re-establish the culture from which they have fled. Again the PC brigade tell us we must be sensitive.
The problems l see appear to be common with all those posting.
Your statement  lil4399 rings so true "who can lie the most without repercussion" appears to be the mantra of the professional politician. A comment was made this week that one of our politicians had worn gumboots for a living (farmer). There are not many that can say they have had a real job before entering politics. The common man or woman that has had to make their way in the workforce or have managed home and family seem to be lacking in politics. "Common sense is not so common."


Another great day on the right side of the grass.😎

shanered6

i just dont see any ploitition or party that i would trust to wheel a wheelbarrow let alone run the country  :thumbs_down:

conservatives ; weak and they all hate each other !

labour ; a bunch of throw backs from the 1970's !

liberals ; i think theres 2 of them or maybe 3  :confused1: !

and the rest ; well there all just climbing on each others heads to get a sniff of the above  :jack:

I have no time for any of them and if any of you 14 owners want to go for goverment i'll vote for ya  :onya:
i intend to live for ever or die trying !!

Gsx 1400 k6 , Thunderace 1000 , Guzzi stelvio 1200 ntx

Mister Fishfinger

Quote from: Kiwifruit on Saturday, 27 October  2018, 03:29 AM
... People with similar cultural values or at the very least willing to integrate into the culture. Not those that re-establish the culture from which they have fled. Again the PC brigade tell us we must be sensitive...

I worry about statements like this. Why should people have to suppress their beliefs or culture when they move to another country? Call me PC if you like but the word I would use is "tolerant".

Tony Nitrous

Quote from: Mister Fishfinger on Saturday, 27 October  2018, 07:25 AM
Quote from: Kiwifruit on Saturday, 27 October  2018, 03:29 AM
... People with similar cultural values or at the very least willing to integrate into the culture. Not those that re-establish the culture from which they have fled. Again the PC brigade tell us we must be sensitive...

I worry about statements like this. Why should people have to suppress their beliefs or culture when they move to another country? Call me PC if you like but the word I would use is "tolerant".

I'm happy for other races and cultures to mix. However.... whilst I have no issues with different clothing, religion, food, culture etc, common sense and a grasp of reality says that turning up in another country you need to speak their language and follow their laws.  Enteringing into someone else's country should always be a compromise. Staying true to your own culture whilst at least doing the minimum (legal and language) to conform. 


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KiwiCol

Fishy, intolerant is absolutely the last word you could ever use to describe KF. I've met the bloke in person. You'd be hard pressed to meet a nicer bloke. IMO.

😎  Always looking for the next corner.  😎

Kiwifruit

I hear you Fishy and you have every right to view my statement as you wish. I consider myself to be both sensitive and tolerant. I do however object to being told by the PC mob in this country how l should feel or behave.
Another great day on the right side of the grass.😎

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