spent the afternoon cutting down the ugly standard mudguard, ain't got the cash for an undertray (yet) so out with the hacksaw. took the whole thing off as it was pretty dusty for a good clean up. still has the tool kit recess, its where i drilled for the winkers too. ;)
looks better to me.
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Shame, they look much better with it still there.
A few lads have done this in the past but eventually wanted to back to standard (which I think looks better) and now cant get new ones as they've all been sold to replace cut up ones.
don't worry, i won't be fitting a standard one in my ownership ;)
Mines already been hacked off near the bottom before my ownership so a full undertray will be fitted at some point.
Question for those in the know however, do they all need cutting into the tool tray, and are any better than others.
Quote from: Phill P on Thursday, 08 June 2023, 03:03 AMMines already been hacked off near the bottom before my ownership so a full undertray will be fitted at some point.
Question for those in the know however, do they all need cutting into the tool tray, and are any better than others.
as far as I know of the ones available you have to cut the bottom off the tool tray.
Quote from: hard road on Thursday, 08 June 2023, 03:20 AMQuote from: Phill P on Thursday, 08 June 2023, 03:03 AMMines already been hacked off near the bottom before my ownership so a full undertray will be fitted at some point.
Question for those in the know however, do they all need cutting into the tool tray, and are any better than others.
as far as I know of the ones available you have to cut the bottom off the tool tray.
That's a shame, looks like the dremel will come in handy :cheers:
Quote from: Phill P on Thursday, 08 June 2023, 03:03 AMMines already been hacked off near the bottom before my ownership so a full undertray will be fitted at some point.
Question for those in the know however, do they all need cutting into the tool tray, and are any better than others.
The Ermax undertray can be fitted without needing to cut into the tool tray, I have done it on a previous bike in the past, as did many others from the old ORG. As already mentioned above they seem to be more desirable with the full mudguard, rather than cutting a good one down I would look to buy one that has already been cut and keep the original, but I don't mind the standard look at all these days
Fitting an undertray (it happens to be an Ermax, given it was my K7) is detailed here https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=266.0
(And no, you don't need to cut into the tool tray area)
I used to cut a few down, I always cut them level with the bottom of the plate though.
Never bother now. Unless I buy a bike with it done I leave them alone. The 4 that I'm using most all have long guards, even the GSXR tail swap on my other Busa has a stock guard.
Each to their own.
It does make me smile to see some UK bikes with fender eliminators and a number plates like a barn door though... :rofl2:
Quote from: gsxbarmy on Thursday, 08 June 2023, 07:46 AMFitting an undertray (it happens to be an Ermax, given it was my K7) is detailed here https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=266.0
(And no, you don't need to cut into the tool tray area)
That link is showing the tool tray (box) cut away :confused1:
On my old 14 it was butchered.. So much so that the underseat area got soaked in wet weather.
I was lucky in that I could get a new guard/tool tray and convert it back to standard..
The most common comments I get at bike meets is "How nice to see it unmolested and lacking after market bling"!!
I do point out that technically the twin silencers were never put on the later models..
But htey usually reply "Yeah but its standard Suzuki" (which is the reason I bought this particular bike).
Quote from: hard road on Thursday, 08 June 2023, 08:03 AMQuote from: gsxbarmy on Thursday, 08 June 2023, 07:46 AMFitting an undertray (it happens to be an Ermax, given it was my K7) is detailed here https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=266.0
(And no, you don't need to cut into the tool tray area)
That link is showing the tool tray (box) cut away :confused1:
Actually thinking on it, one dud lose a tad of the tool tray area on the original guard which was "replaced" by the Ermax undertray being fitted (it was some 14 years ago I did that mod is my excuse 🤣)
I cut my guard off, level with number plate. No regrets, i like it.
Mate it's your bike & your choice. Be prepared to clean a lot more of your bike as there will be crap everywhere from rear tyre. Just my two cents worth 🥴
Been cut maybe 7 yrs GSX, not a problem.
Quote from: grog on Thursday, 08 June 2023, 05:40 PMI cut my guard off, level with number plate. No regrets, i like it.
I've thought about doing that as well, just can't bring myself to take a hacksaw to it though. Happy with it as is (standard).
Quote from: GSXKING on Thursday, 08 June 2023, 06:20 PMMate it's your bike & your choice. Be prepared to clean a lot more of your bike as there will be crap everywhere from rear tyre. Just my two cents worth 🥴
I have no issue with cleaning my bikes. Sometimes i can't ride so time to clean :)
They go faster with a cut down rear guard.
i think my post has divided the forum :undecided: im afraid i have an addiction for modifying bikes. been doing it since my first bike when i was 14 !!!!!
theirs them that do and them that don't :grin:
Quote from: Irish in Oz on Thursday, 08 June 2023, 07:30 PMThey go faster with a cut down rear guard.
And painted dull old black as well I suppose :devil:
Quote from: GSXKING on Thursday, 08 June 2023, 06:20 PMMate it's your bike & your choice. Be prepared to clean a lot more of your bike as there will be crap everywhere from rear tyre. Just my two cents worth 🥴
As a very fair weather rider I don't have a problem with that :cool:
Quote from: hard road on Thursday, 08 June 2023, 07:54 PMi think my post has divided the forum :undecided: im afraid i have an addiction for modifying bikes. been doing it since my first bike when i was 14 !!!!!
theirs them that do and them that don't :grin:
Your bike, your call. I just can't stand the modern tend of not selling you the whole bike, where the bodywork doesn't reach the back of the tyre, so cutting the guard down on a 14 makes it look like that to me.
Quote from: Hooli on Friday, 09 June 2023, 07:06 AMQuote from: hard road on Thursday, 08 June 2023, 07:54 PMi think my post has divided the forum :undecided: im afraid i have an addiction for modifying bikes. been doing it since my first bike when i was 14 !!!!!
theirs them that do and them that don't :grin:
Your bike, your call. I just can't stand the modern tend of not selling you the whole bike, where the bodywork doesn't reach the back of the tyre, so cutting the guard down on a 14 makes it look like that to me.
fare comment, but to me the mudguard looks like an afterthought and it takes away the shape of the tail unit. as to selling a modified bike (of which ive sold a few) the buyer is always happy with the look or they wouldn't buy it, if they want a standard bike then theirs always some about.
Ok, as to the above post, here's a challenge for the UK guys that have time on their hands, find out if a 14 gets a better price (in general) with the original rear guard or without.
That'll keep someone busy for a few hours . . .
Quote from: KiwiCol on Friday, 09 June 2023, 11:56 AMOk, as to the above post, here's a challenge for the UK guys that have time on their hands, find out if a 14 gets a better price (in general) with the original rear guard or without.
That'll keep someone busy for a few hours . . .
From looking over the years
@KiwiCol , dealers much prefer bikes as standard as possible and give better prices for same, whereas on the private market it's anyone's choice.
From what I've seen of late, those advertised by dealers which are in pretty much standard form seem to have higher prices. Now - whether they actually SELL at that price - who knows - but as the 14 starts to approach getting on to be a classis, then the more standard they are, the more sought after they should be, as classics invariably are in standard trim. On the private market, again, some eye-watering prices are being asked, again, whether they sell at, or anywhere near that price is another matter.
If you want a classic and resale price is your goal, go for it. If you just want a great bike that suits you, do whatever. Last thing on my list is the selling price. When time comes for mine to go, will be a sad day, probably only be a health reason. If someone came along and wanted to continue my ideas etc.id let them have it for whatever. Has given me more than a final sale price.
Only had mine for 3 years but what would you replace it with. I'd just like better roads.
Personally, I enjoy working on my bike and changing it to be my vision as much as I do riding it, it's always been that way for me be it car or bike.
I get what's being said about modern bikes and the short stubby tail, looks hideous, just compare he old and new Katana. As for standard bikes being worth more, yup probably, I just don't care, my bike,my way, don't like my mods, seriously I don't care.
I've had the same conversations on the xjroc and the stoc :cheesy:
Quote from: Phill P on Saturday, 10 June 2023, 01:47 AMPersonally, I enjoy working on my bike and changing it to be my vision as much as I do riding it, it's always been that way for me be it car or bike.
I get what's being said about modern bikes and the short stubby tail, looks hideous, just compare he old and new Katana. As for standard bikes being worth more, yup probably, I just don't care, my bike,my way, don't like my mods, seriously I don't care.
I've had the same conversations on the xjroc and the stoc :cheesy:
can't agree more Phill, ive just sold a 1980 GSX1100 for half the price a bog standard is advertised for. whether it'll sell for that price i don't know ? my GSX11 was heavily modified but i made money on it which is always good and the buyer loves it which makes me happy.
ive modified pretty much every bike ive owned to some degree and most of the time made money on them, some people like to keep their bikes totally standard and I have no problem with that if it floats their boat, plus in time the value will be good. but for me I like to be different plus I enjoy doing the mod's. my bikes might not appeal to everyones taste but i don't care, but their are plenty of people who do like them and are prepared to pay the asking price so i can buy another bike to modify :clapping: :grin:
Your bike your choice
If your not bothered about resale then totally up to you as already said if you plan to move it on the more standard the better .
My bikes will not be sold so are just modded to suit me 🤔
Just stumbled across this post.
I've just finishing returning my bike back to stock.
Have removed tail tidy*, mini indicators, race cans, led clear tail light, polished torque arm and grab rail.
* I'd forgotten how much was involved in doing that conversion!
Think the bike is looking in the latest glamour shots 😏
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looks good milts, but I still prefer the cut down look :onya:
Quote from: Milts on Thursday, 22 June 2023, 03:52 AMJust stumbled across this post.
I've just finishing returning my bike back to stock.
Have removed tail tidy*, mini indicators, race cans, led clear tail light, polished torque arm and grab rail.
* I'd forgotten how much was involved in doing that conversion!
Think the bike is looking in the latest glamour shots 😏
Yours is the look I prefer Milts..
I spent quite a lot on my previous 2005 model to "un molest" it..
Lovelly Bike
S.
Whenever people post up chavved bikes for sale I always add up the cost of fixing all the shyte mods & deduct that from the advertised price before I even think how much I'd offer.
Quote from: Milts on Thursday, 22 June 2023, 03:52 AMJust stumbled across this post.
I've just finishing returning my bike back to stock.
Have removed tail tidy*, mini indicators, race cans, led clear tail light, polished torque arm and grab rail.
* I'd forgotten how much was involved in doing that conversion!
Think the bike is looking in the latest glamour shots 😏
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Your pics are incredible have you touched them up ?
What a spotless specimen & don't get me started on those "WHITE" wheels 🥇🥇🥇
One awesome bike Milts, total credit to you. Im the opposite, i change whatever i want. No good or bad in either way, just what we do. Brilliant bike. :clapping: :hat:
Quote from: Hooli on Thursday, 22 June 2023, 05:31 PMWhenever people post up chavved bikes for sale I always add up the cost of fixing all the shyte mods & deduct that from the advertised price before I even think how much I'd offer.
but theirs people who prefer the "chavved" look as you say and are prepared to pay the asking price :grin: ive sold many modified bikes and made more cash than I expected :onya:
Quote from: Hooli on Thursday, 22 June 2023, 05:31 PMWhenever people post up chavved bikes for sale I always add up the cost of fixing all the shyte mods & deduct that from the advertised price before I even think how much I'd offer.
Please describe Cheap and vulger mods.
Thanks for the nice comments,
I appreciate both standard and modified bikes, it's purely down to personal taste.
No the photos aren't touched up, I can barely work out how to post the pics!
It doesn't matter what bait you throw out hooli you're always guaranteed a bite!😉
Dunno what ya mean Milts lol
Biting not at all, just interesting to know why some owners are against mods :cheers:
Quote from: Phill P on Friday, 23 June 2023, 08:07 PMBiting not at all, just interesting to know why some owners are against mods :cheers:
each to their own Phill, if someone doesn't like my modified bike I don't care but their are plenty that do :onya:
Quote from: hard road on Friday, 23 June 2023, 08:26 PMQuote from: Phill P on Friday, 23 June 2023, 08:07 PMBiting not at all, just interesting to know why some owners are against mods :cheers:
each to their own Phill, if someone doesn't like my modified bike I don't care but their are plenty that do :onya:
Totally agree, when a random person comes up and says nice bike mate, you know it pleases some.
Quote from: Phill P on Friday, 23 June 2023, 08:50 PMQuote from: hard road on Friday, 23 June 2023, 08:26 PMQuote from: Phill P on Friday, 23 June 2023, 08:07 PMBiting not at all, just interesting to know why some owners are against mods :cheers:
each to their own Phill, if someone doesn't like my modified bike I don't care but their are plenty that do :onya:
Totally agree, when a random person comes up and says nice bike mate, you know it pleases some.
problem is when people crowd round your bike you can't get your helmet on :rolleyes: :grin:
Quote from: Phill P on Friday, 23 June 2023, 08:07 PMBiting not at all, just interesting to know why some owners are against mods :cheers:
Not all mods, it's just that most make them look like a tart's handbag.
My pet hate is tail tidys though. One thing I like about 14s is you get a complete bike, I hate the modern look where the designer forgot the last 12" of bodywork.
Quote from: Hooli on Saturday, 24 June 2023, 03:34 PMQuote from: Phill P on Friday, 23 June 2023, 08:07 PMBiting not at all, just interesting to know why some owners are against mods :cheers:
Not all mods, it's just that most make them look like a tart's handbag.
My pet hate is tail tidys though. One thing I like about 14s is you get a complete bike, I hate the modern look where the designer forgot the last 12" of bodywork.
I agree with you, and I disagree.
I think we have spoken about modern bikes before, old/new katana for instance, it's a modern trend to make the tailpiece extremely short, new rocket 3 and others with a lump of plastic shooting out horizontal from the bike, total afterthought.
For me the gsx naturally ends at the white tailpiece/back light, the black mudguard for me detracts from the fine lines of the bike.
Mines cut off Phil, she looks ok to me.
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Quote from: grog on Saturday, 24 June 2023, 06:57 PMMines cut off Phil, she looks ok to me.
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It looks good, I like your seat.
Mines also cut down, but not that well, hence it will get an undertray and tail tidy
looks better but needs a bit more :grin:
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Quote from: hard road on Sunday, 25 June 2023, 12:31 AMlooks better but needs a bit more :grin:
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Yup that's nice, right up my street, similar to my old xjr in black.
How do the standard indicators hold up with the number plate bracket.
I cut away as much of the plastic mudguard as I could that was showing, it then leaves the toolkit section sticking down a bit, indicators are bolted to that bit and I can still get the toolkit in its place. I had a numberplate bracket lying around that I just drilled and bolted to the mudguard. :onya:
Nice one, looks really clean like that, dare I say almost factory :cheers:
Quote from: Phill P on Sunday, 25 June 2023, 07:37 PMNice one, looks really clean like that, dare I say almost factory :cheers:
thanks Phill, to me it shows off the shape of the tail unit better :onya: