I think there are a few people here running turbos on their 1400s.
I'd be interested in hearing the pros and cons from real world experience.
I have one and I really like it!
I did it six years ago and it has been ridden 57 000 km's after that. 150 000 km total. Still works great.
It has no breathing and no oil consumption.
It's easy to ride due to good torque band, over 160 nm between 3000 and 9000 rpm, what makes it faster than stock H2's or busas.
Fuel consumption is the same than without turbo, 5.2-9 L/100 km, normally 6-7L/100km
Only bigger problem was that famous "2nd gear issue", but I fixed it with "under cut grinding" to 2nd gear sprockets
and with some busas strengthening parts (same gearbox, same problems)
Theres a lot of variables in running a turbo on a 14 vlad..
What system you have.
What other upgrades you have.
What fuel is available.
Where you live even, hot or cold climate. Altitude. All these things will change how it runs....having said that,my personal experience very positive. As I'm sure you will of read.
I can say off boost if i choose to....which is 90mph in 6th.and save fuel & it runs like any other 14...or..get into the boost range which starts at 4k...and loose your license in seconds...I have after market shocks front and rear, but it handles like it did before the turbo..even though the extra weight at the front is quite a bit ,its low down.
Rear tyres scrub off easy..again depending on how you ride it.fronts last a lifetime.all in all a very nice set up....a normal 14 with a savage kick when you want it.....the one big thing is the cost...not just the turbo and associated bits....you have to run premium fuel...and I'm also changing oil to royal purple , thats another £100+ every 3k. Rear tyres. Front pads and discs go quick too...premium chain & spockets...you cant go cheap or you,ll pay in the long run.......but I love it
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What system I have? Dunno, I'm sure
@Teufel can enlighten me :)
What other upgrades you have? Full Akropovic exhaust, PC3, Stage 1 Yoshi Cams.
What fuel is available? 91, 95, 98RON
Where do I live? Queensland :ausflag: so Hot-ish. Sea level-ish
Given that, I have the turbo, and an oil pump - now need to ascertain what other bits I need to obtain etc.
i.e. the process to get it installed and plumbed in. Obviously I'd like to make it as neat as practical
Also would it be possible to powdercoat the body of the turbo black or is that not really an option?
@T 24 @AndyB I'd appreciate photos of your bikes from both sides/front etc of all the relevant gubbins involved.
@T 24 I'd appreciate more details re the gearbox works you've done and
@AndyB did you do similar?
Gearbox works: read the topic "2nd gear issue" from technically speaking -> engine & gearbox.
Black Adder has a very good description & picks. And there is my short writing also.
Edit: https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=723.0
Exhaust system: My homemade exhaust system you can find from : exhausts -> who has what (page two)
Edit: https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=119.msg4467#msg4467
Cams: My cam swap you can find from : engine & gearbox -> fit yoshimura ST-1 cams (page two), read whole topic.
I had some problems with pick sizes...
There must be some easy way???
Thanks for that info mate :)
Quote from: T 24 on Thursday, 10 February 2022, 10:35 PM
I had some problems with pick sizes...
There must be some easy way???
Not sure what you mean. Image sizes will vary depending on screen size, resolution etc.
In a future forum update, however, there will be a user option to control image size on upload.
I tried to upload many picks, what have "went trough" earlier, but now the same picks are too big size.
My son worked over half an hour with those two last picks until he got them uploaded.
That's why there is only two "project picks".
I'm not a nerd, so I don' know what has changed and when.
Dunno mate. if you can email the to me I'll try and see if i can get to the bottom of it, that way I can hopefully fix the paramaters on the forum to avoid the problem in future.
I'll PM you my email address. :onya:
Quote from: VladTepes on Friday, 11 February 2022, 12:33 PM
Dunno mate. if you can email the to me I'll try and see if i can get to the bottom of it, that way I can hopefully fix the paramaters on the forum to avoid the problem in future.
I'll PM you my email address. :onya:
I had the exact same issue last week, pictures I've posted before, wouldnt load as they were to big..Mr barmy made them fit for me...since then I've changed the settings on my phone picture size..and that's worked for me so far...you can see all the older photos on here...got absolutely no idea how I link you to it though :whatever:
I actually didnt realize you were thinking of doing one..I thought you were interested in peoples opinions who had done it...
So far mine hasnt developed the 2nd gear issue..and you will definitely not be able to powder coat it...well...you could...but it would last minutes..
I got the same kit as jussi...build quality is good..ie materials / welding.
However I've had issues with the controller which just stopped functioning. The one way check valve after the map sensor seized..and yesterday the tuner said my wastegate actuator is fugged...and the bike ran up to 16psi @6k rpm..on the dyno & he immediately cut it..its supposed to waste at 12psi @ 10k rpm
All these part have had to be replaced .... rather expensively ...its not just a case of bolting on and running it..you,ll pop the engine...it has to be tuned by someone who knows what they are doing....
By default mobile phones take HUGE sized files, too big to upload here or we'd use our space allocation too quickly (and would have to pay a bit more). Options are either to set phone resolution lower, or to resize in a program like irfanview (or anything you prefer) before uploading.
some more photos (T24)
Quote from: AndyB on Saturday, 12 February 2022, 07:10 AM
I actually didnt realize you were thinking of doing one..I thought you were interested in peoples opinions who had done it...
Both :) :onya:
Quote from: AndyB on Saturday, 12 February 2022, 07:10 AM
you will definitely not be able to powder coat it...well...you could...but it would last minutes..
cerakote?
Is there no option within the forum software to resize the uploads? The site I run uses phpbb and does that.
It doesn't always work but the option is there...
Hooli, Yeah there is but if the file is TOO huge to start with it's problematic - can time out before upload can occur.
@T 24What's that in the 3rd photo?
I'm a bit confused by that 5th photo of the headers. Obviously there are 4 pipes connecting to the exhaust ports in the head, but what's that 5th one coming up at an odd angle?
Also the following photo of the plenum chamber (I presume that's what it is)
I can't see where that sits in on any of the other pics?
As for the oil pan - I can't tell just from the photo why that's been removed? Presumably for an oil feed/return for the turbo, but where?
@Halibag I know your bike is a little more unconventional but I'm wondering if you have any tips / advice / photos etc that may be of use to me in this endeavour?
Searching the interwebs I found this, which looks 'pretty' but holy snapping duckshit batman USD$3300!
That's $4,632 of our aussie Dollarydoos !
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The 'blurb' states the following is included.
QuoteTotal kit includes:
Turbocharger modified TD05H-16G
Exhaust header
Exhaust pipe (without muffler)
Billet fuel rail
Extra fuel nozzles
Pro Boost Fuel enrichment controller (PBFEC-3.0) with wiring
Plenum with attachment braces
Alloy pressure pipe
Silicone hoses for pressure lines
Stainless clamps for pressure lines and carbs <- I'm gonna assume that's a typo.
Oil lines and gaskets for turbo
Oil cooler lines, adapters and gaskets
Pressure/vacuum lines
Fuel lines and necessary clamps
Boost gauge, bracket and line
Air filter
Clutch springs
All nuts, bolts and washers etc. for assembly
installation Instructions USB stick
I get that electronic control etc is going to make it more expensive and (I'd assume more unnecessarily complex) but that's a crapton of money. I assume that quite a few of the mention inclusions are necessitated by the fact its an electronically controlled system (eg fuel rail and nozzles)
from Proboost (https://www.proboost.fi/motorcycle-turbo-kits)
SOOOOOOOOOOOO Mike your wife won't let you have another bike right :stir: :stir: but she'll happily let you spend umpteen thousands of dollars on a TURBO :confused1: :confused1: :confused1:
3rd Pic. A rack, fitted under the seat, including that aluminium made UFO what is Begi 2025 rising rate fuel pressure regulator,
and that black one is Cooling mist 150 psi pump for water methanol injection.
5th Pic. "fifth odd pipe" is earth clamp for grounding for welding.
Plenum chamber is painted black for being not so visible.
And that shiny nut + black hose are for returning oil from turbo
Quote from: GSXKING on Monday, 14 February 2022, 07:43 PM
SOOOOOOOOOOOO Mike your wife won't let you have another bike right :stir: :stir: but she'll happily let you spend umpteen thousands of dollars on a TURBO :confused1: :confused1: :confused1:
I didn't buy the complete kit from Proboost, I bought parts from Ebay, had some used parts from car turbo projects, and made some parts by myself etc,
So my total price was less than 2000€ including Dyno, papers and MOT.
Vlad, the typo "carbs" should read "throttle bodies", those are the clamps to connect the plenum to them.
That's a pretty comprehensive kit from proboost. And its all pretty much bolt on. The hardest part is the exhaust manifold, i reckon there's a lot of time and money in that fabrication. At least with the 1400 motor there's no need to upgrade the bottom end with large main and bigend bearings or conrods, unless you're chasing serious hp. So that saves some money.
Quote from: GSXKING on Monday, 14 February 2022, 07:43 PM
SOOOOOOOOOOOO Mike your wife won't let you have another bike right :stir: :stir: but she'll happily let you spend umpteen thousands of dollars on a TURBO :confused1: :confused1: :confused1:
Well because it just needs "a few extra dollars" to get it all installed right? :rofl2:
Quote from: T 24 on Monday, 14 February 2022, 09:32 PM
I didn't buy the complete kit from Proboost, I bought parts from Ebay, had some used parts from car turbo projects, and made some parts by myself etc, So my total price was less than 2000€ including Dyno, papers and MOT.
I'd be really appreciative if you were/are able to point me towards particular parts required so I can keep an eye out for them / whack a search thing in ebay.
While on the turbo subject - which I don't know anything about -- I have a newbie/dumb question to you all knowledgeable people with experience in Turbo matters: how is the turbine (is that the right name?) lubricated? Is it sharing/connected to the regular engine oil lubricating/cooling circuit, and if so isn't there any issue with regular engine oil grade/thickness considering the high temperature and extremely high RPM the turbine is supposed to reach (if I understood correctly)?
Spongebob usually the engine/trans oil is perfectly fine and people plumb a circuit from the oil pan and back, with a specific oil pump feeding the turbo from that.
Hi kids
Been a while.
I turbo'd mine in about 2009. I sold that as it was a bit of a handful, I learned a lot of lessons from the build that might help others & have plenty to offer. Rather than info dumping if anyone had any specific questions please let me know - either here, PM, or by far the best is Facebook messenger (PM me will give my name).
I sold that one, got a other to turbo but was hit in traffic in q major accident, I now have a third and am doing a fairly decent build on it as money permits. I really need a sponsor.
Currently held up a little due to some mental health challenges costing me both time to work on the bike, and a lot of money (time off work) but I'm still progressing little odds and ends every week or two while still leaving the bike on the road.
G'day
@Shifty I see you've gone with the rear turbo option.
My understanding is that that location is the usual choice for racing and the front location for road use?
I don't really understand the difference or why you've done it the way you have? I am intrigued.
I might be wrong but front mounted is probably less lag as shorter plumbing and rear mounted has more ground clearance.
Must work ok, third go at it.
For me it was more about having the turbo and the performance, but not showing it off.
The longer pipes add some lag but the 1400 has enough power without the turbo so that was a non-issue really - kinda made it two bikes in one. Longer headers also mean a shorter intake path so that absorbs some of it, also keeping the turbo in its own airflow helped keep down the temperature of the air around the engine and oil cooler which is helpful in the hot climate we have.
The main thing though, was the stealth appearance as im more about go and less about show, and technically a turbo requires a fairly large investment in engineering approval.
My new setup will be much the same, but with a little more support in the way of fuel system and electronics. Last time I went from 96rwhp to 178rwhp, for minimal cost, so I was very happy with the result... new one I'll just be aiming for 10% more and some better electronic control systems, to make 200rwhp and have it a bit more usable. Not aiming to set records or outsourcing anyone, my bike is for me and that's how everyone should be building theirs too... do what you like and what works, not what you think you're supposed to.
I have a friend with a rear mounted turbo on a car, it makes well north of 1000hp and the turbo is mounted at the rear bumper - the exhaust to turbo to intake pipe is a good eoght to ten metres and its fine.
Perhaps it's not ideal but many keyboard warriors who have never turbocharged anything will tell you it can't and doesn't work.
I doubled my horsepower for about $4k AUD start to finish including fuel system, power commander, turbo, fabrication, and clutch upgrade. Perhaps not something that sets the world on fire but it worked and it was fast... not really much else you want on a budget thing build in your garage.
Shifty, excellent write up, one of the best. Ive done most mods but never turbo, love what you blokes do. Rode a 14 with supercharger, so ugly, can understand the power you get. Think it was 220 then, now apart aiming at 300. Another Brisbane boy also.
UMMMMMMMMMMM I've been watching this thread grow and I'm still questioning WHY you need twice the horsepower on a GSX or any other bike on the street. Is it actually legal in Australia to modify your regular of the shelf bike with a turbo ? How do you control 300 HP without flipping the bike or wheelieing uncontrollably off in to the bushes. :whatever: :whistling:
Quote from: GSXKING on Monday, 21 February 2022, 09:47 PM
UMMMMMMMMMMM I've been watching this thread grow and I'm still questioning WHY you need twice the horsepower on a GSX or any other bike on the street. Is it actually legal in Australia to modify your regular of the shelf bike with a turbo ? How do you control 300 HP without flipping the bike or wheelieing uncontrollably off in to the bushes. :whatever: :whistling:
I agree Chris, more than enough for me as standard - if I wanted more would buy a sports bike :)
@GSXKING
Quote from: GSXKING on Monday, 21 February 2022, 09:47 PM
UMMMMMMMMMMM I've been watching this thread grow and I'm still questioning WHY you need twice the horsepower on a GSX or any other bike on the street. Is it actually legal in Australia to modify your regular of the shelf bike with a turbo ? How do you control 300 HP without flipping the bike or wheelieing uncontrollably off in to the bushes. :whatever: :whistling:
I have to say I'm of the same mind. A standard 14 is fast enough for me any day, so as much as I can respect the engineering skill in these bikes I can't see the point.
Quote from: GSXKING on Monday, 21 February 2022, 09:47 PM
UMMMMMMMMMMM I've been watching this thread grow and I'm still questioning WHY you need twice the horsepower on a GSX
Oh there's absolutely no need for it, no.
The real question is "Why not?"
Its just for shits and giggles. :D
One thing I've noticed is that no-one seems to worry about the strain on the gearbox from passing all the extra horses through it, especially on the earlier K2/3 machines where it was known that second gear was prone to giving way under constant extreme acceleration (I assume using more horses would do similar?)
How have turbo owners got around the gearbox weakness - the only thing I've seen one guy do (was it Blackadder on the old org?) was cross cut the gears, but whether that made any real difference I don't know.
So, with beefing up the clutch and pushing more horses through the engine - how are the standard gearboxes holding up - or what do you do to them?
Quote from: gsxbarmy on Tuesday, 22 February 2022, 08:29 AM
How have turbo owners got around the gearbox weakness - the only thing I've seen one guy do (was it Blackadder on the old org?) was cross cut the gears,
undercut, but yeah, Also some replace some of the shafts with beefier busa items.
Quote from: T 24 on Thursday, 10 February 2022, 06:19 PMExhaust system: My homemade exhaust system you can find from : exhausts -> who has what (page two)
Edit: https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=119.msg4467#msg4467
do you have any photos of the mods to the exhaust, and what kit did you use, many thanks
Sorry, I didn't find any picks of those pipes. They are made by taking all original out from the pipe and
inserting there half a meter of 2" aftermarket silencer pipe (drilled full of small holes) and silencer wool.
It wasn't any kit. They were very loud with N/A engine, but they were street legal on MOT with turbo (91-92 db)
Well I've done the maths and given some other expense priorities I can't justify spending more to turbo my 1400. :sad:
As such the Turbo and wastegate I got from
@Teufel I'll be selling.
Once I identify what it actually is.
Just file it away Mate, a project for one day.
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