Today quoted $271 for new rear. About $50 cheaper than last time due to new model. A spec is same price as standard. My standard has had no probs but will get heavier duty, why not.
Pirelli are doing money off feel.over here just now .
Meztelar (that'll be spelt wrong) are doing the same money off too.
Pirelli and Metzler basically the same company (Chinese)
@grog you won't get the same flexibility with the A spec they are very rigid :stir:
Irish me being a dummy, is that true or a wind up?I really have no clue.
Quote from: grog on Saturday, 01 August 2020, 05:20 PM
Irish me being a dummy, is that true or a wind up?I really have no clue.
Well I wouldn't call you a dummy, but it has to be true from what I have read on previous comments. Anyway I'm on about my forth set and won't be getting B spec.
I did put :stir: in for a reason, should use it more often, as some appeared to believe my remark about chamfering the bolts but it gives me a :laugh:
Quote from: seth on Saturday, 01 August 2020, 02:53 AM
Pirelli are doing money off feel.over here just now .
Meztelar (that'll be spelt wrong) are doing the same money off too.
Metzeler - nice tyre, grips well but personally I've found them to be noisy on the road. Had them as OEM on my Triumph, also on the BMW I've just picked up
Long time back I changed from Metzler Z3 (Deano got as far as Z5) to Angel ST and the Gt's from there.
Irish, actually glad you did read some of my previous comments. I didnt think anyone did. Made my day. :laugh:
I just had a new set of Angel GT's installed on the 1400. I put them on because of the good deal I got from the shop, but would have preferred Metzeler Roadtec01's, but the shop doesn't stock Metzeler tyres.
I had Metzeler Roadtec01's on my other bike (VFR) and changed to Angel GT's to see what they were like.
Found the same thing with the 1400 - which originally had Michelin Road 5 rear and Road 4 front. Bad combination as the tyre profiles are different and was causing handling issues.
The Metzelers overall offer a more comfortable ride for the same suspension setting when compared to the Angel GT. But the Angel GT on both bikes make steering input more responsive. I think here the Roadtec01 is more neutral.
The Roadtec01 also feels like it is sinking into the road - it gives a feeling of having lots of grip, whereas to me, the Angel GT feels like it is running right on top of the road surface as if the tyre is over inflated (but isn't) difficult to explain..
I never liked the Michelin Road 4/5 on the 1400, whilst they never let go on me, they never felt like they had a lot of grip, even in the dry and were not confidence inspiring. Was even worse in the rain, no matter what suspension settings I tried, the rear end would always feel really nervous in the rain.
But with the Roadtec01 - pouring rain or not, I didn't back off much at all, highway speeds, mountain roads or otherwise, the Roadtec01 never let go and felt like they gripped like they had glue on them. the Angel GTs in the wet are similar (at least on the VFR, I've yet to ride the 1400 in the rain with the Angel GTs) , but not quite as good in the wet as the Roadtec01's - at least not for me.
The other thing I noticed was that when the Roadtec01's were new, they still felt totally stable in corners and were not nervous at all, whereas when the Angel GT's were new, they felt really squirmy in the corners for at least the first 150 kays, feeling like they would let go on me and I wasn't pushing hard through the corners at all. They were massively better after that initial 150 kays was done - gripping as I pushed bit harder around corners.
@BlueDragon QuoteI've yet to ride the 1400 in the rain with the Angel GTs
Have you yet?
Quote from: VladTepes on Friday, 18 September 2020, 10:33 AM
@BlueDragon
QuoteI've yet to ride the 1400 in the rain with the Angel GTs
Have you yet?
Not yet, hasn't been much rain up here.
But as I mentioned in my previous post. With my VFR800, same suspension settings for both sets of tyres. The Roadtec-01's beat the Angel GT's in the rain, hands down - no competition.. I was riding back from Walcha through to Tamworth in a big rain storm with wind and had the wife as pillion. With the Roadtec-01's, it was like the bike was magnetised to the road. I barely backed off in speed from when I rode through the same road in the dry. I pretty much ride that stretch of road most weekends through to Wauchope and back home again.. Best stress relief... But the VFR felt totally planted and stable, so I just hammered through.
But in similar conditions with the Angel GT's in the rain (on the VFR), whilst they never slipped, they felt less planted in the rain and the tyre being more responsive (rather than the neutral feel that the Roadtec's give) made the bike more twitchy in the rain and felt less stable because of it I think. At least that is my impression. I certainly didn't feel as confident in the rain and tended to back off somewhat. With the Roadtec's I didn't feel the need to back off at all.
I've also just installed brand new rear YSS Shocks on the 1400- with full adjustment - Spring Pre-load/Compression/Damping and also new front springs and again new fork oil (it had only recently been changed as I got all the seals done) as well. So will be interesting to see what the bike handles like if I get the chance to go for a ride this weekend after setting the SAG etc.
I had Roadtec-01s last winter, they did work very well on cold wet roads. Wore out too damn quick though.
@VladTepes New suspension on the 1400 has made a huge difference to the feel of the Angel GT's. Having upgraded the front and rear suspension and gone through proper setup and fine tuning over several day long rides (taking notes along the way on suspension settings adjustment and what the result was)
Not only has it contributed to better feel, but I've also noticed that the tyres are now wearing evenly. Not just side to side profile, but also the tyre grooves. There are no raised or curved leading/trailing edges on the grooves any more. I could never achieve this with the OEM suspension on the 1400, no matter the fine tune adjustments I tried.
Same goes for the Metzeler Roadtec 01 that I had on the VFR. Though my VFR had been modified by the previous owner with a Fireblade 959 rear shock with Compression and Rebound damping, no matter the adjustment fine tuning I tried, I wasn't able to stop the grooves from wearing the trailing and leading edges.
So new suspension has made quite a difference.. I need to now upgrade the VFR :lol: That said, I changed to a heavier fork oil in the VFR and this has made quite a difference to tyre wear. Though the harder overall feel is still there when compared to the Metzeler Roadtec01.
All said though. Once the Angel GT tyres wear down and need replacement, I'll be going back to the Metzeler Roadtec -01. The new SE model.
That tyre may or may not have equal wear rates as the Angel GT.. not sure, I think it is slightly softer.. So may wear slightly faster and not achieve as many miles. But to me that doesn't matter so much. I personally like the feel, response etc of the Roadtec01 when compared to the Angel GT.
For me, the Roadtec01 gives me the best feel and hence confidence when really pushing in the dry or even pushing in the wet. Whilst the Angel has never slid out on me at all, it doesn't give me the same feel or confidence.
For want of a better description...
The Angel GT feels like it is running across the top of the road. Whilst the Roadtec01 feels like it is sinking into the road and and sticking to the road like super glue.
The reason I will change is that the Metzeler, I find is more neutral in handling response and is noticeably more comfortable on the crappy country roads in country NSW as well as the reasons mentioned above. My wife also likes the Metzeler as well when she is passenger on rides. She noticed the difference straight away when I changed to the Angel GT.
Have spoken before about original GT Angel, front wore off on rhs. Rear still had lots left. I replaced front and was 6th ks b4 rear replacement. My mates MT10 has done exacy same, he rides really hard, front stuffed at 10 th ks. Pretty good i reckon. Rear has lots left. Hes fitting a front Angel 2, originals not available anymore. Will let you know how the old and new combine. His mate has done same on S1000 BMW, no complaints. So much for rear wearing b4 front. Happened in my world, 3 totally diff type of bikes.
Double post, sorry. Bluey, the front sticking makes me think ill try Metz next. I liked that stuck to road feel b4, sure doesnt happen with Angel. Very light in front feel. Some like the quick turning, i agree. That planted feel i prefer. XJR Yam has that planted feeling much more than 14. just my opinion.
So.. I still puzzled. There's no right answer I suppose, just a few wrong ones.
Quote from: VladTepes on Wednesday, 24 February 2021, 10:05 PM
So.. I still puzzled. There's no right answer I suppose, just a few wrong ones.
I guess it all depends on what sort of "feel and feedback" you want from a tyre. I don't think there are any "bad" tyres out there. Also take note of the profiles of the tyres as well. The front tyre profile is sharper in drop off on the Angel, compared to the Roadtec. Which is why it tends to drop into corners when you reach a certain lean angle. I think this is taken from their pirelli race tyres - as I've read in articles where teams have changed tyre sponsors, many have said that the pirelli race tyre does the same thing. The Roadtec is more rounded in profile. So for me, what ever effort I put in when cornering, I feel that I get a linear response from the tyre. So a little effort gets an even amount of response.. with the Angel - again for me. I get that response until I reach a certain lean angle, which is quite early in the lean and then it just wants to drop several degrees in lean angle "dropping into the corner" like oversteer, which I have not been able to tune out with suspension settings yet.
Whenever I've changed tyres, I initially don't change suspension settings for a while.. as it gives me a good comparison of what the new tyre is like, compared to what I removed.. hence my comments that the Angel GT needs different suspension settings to Roadtec-01 and that the Roadtec-01 is a more comfortable and neutral handling tyre than the Angel GT on the same suspension settings.
I have a matrix I use to help me with fine tuning my suspension. which helps to fine tune in the right direction according to what I am experiencing or feel when riding. Understeer, over steer etc etc then adjust A/B/C type thing. Along with taking lots of notes after a ride and associating that with the suspension settings.
I'm certainly no expert, but doing this has enabled me to get the bike to handle the way I want.
I'm still fine tuning the new suspension on the 1400 that I installed, its very close to what I want now.
When I'm done, I'll post the settings in case they might come in handy for anyone else running similar suspension.
That matrix sounds like good thing maybe you;d like to do a thread on that for us on day?
As far as tyres go - is there any consensus at all as to (between the Angel and Roadtec) which last longer and which are best i rain.
Also is one preferable given the bulk of miles are commuting (centre of the tyre) as opposed to mountain carving?
@VladTepes looking at the wear rates so far on the Angel GT's I have on both bikes. Also keeping in mind that about 100% of my riding is open road highway with mountain roads through the Oxley each weekend and I have my wife as pillion about 80% of the time..
I can see that the Angel GT will last longer than the Metzeler Roadtec-01.
In the rain? I'll take the Roadtec01 over the Angel GT.
But ... bear in mind that there is now the Angel GT2 and there is the Roadtec-01 SE..
not seen any long term tests on the Roadtec01SE.
The one big complaint I have read about on the Angel GT2 is that in some cases and on certain bikes it seems to want to tram-line badly due to the two centre grooves now running the circumference of the tyre. But take that with a grain of salt. Some riders have complained about it, others have not.
I didn't want to take the chance, which is why I bought the old model Angel GT.
I got 10,000 klms from the Roadtec01 (rear tyre) on the VFR which was about 95% two-up riding.
Thanks yes I had read of the two new tyres - may not even be able to get old ones, who knows.
I'll have another chat with my tyre guy, http://daveoliversmotorcycletyres.com.au/
Mate with MT10, fitted Angel 2 on front. Original Angel still on rear. Tells me he cant notice any difference , rides same as when original front Angel was new. Looks funny to me, the 2 lines running around centre, very old skool.
Quote from: BlueDragon on Friday, 18 September 2020, 12:32 PM
Quote from: VladTepes on Friday, 18 September 2020, 10:33 AM
@BlueDragon
QuoteI've yet to ride the 1400 in the rain with the Angel GTs
Have you yet?
Not yet, hasn't been much rain up here.
Well, you can't complain about a lack of rain anymore can you ?!
I'm 95% on getting the Metzelers at this point.
Quote from: grog on Wednesday, 03 March 2021, 07:10 PM
mate ...Angel 2 on front.... Looks funny to me, the 2 lines running around centre, very old skool.
Looks totally wrong on a 'modern' bike even a retro like ours.
Belongs on a cafe racer.
Talking today to Mate who fitted Angel 2 after original Angel. He doesnt like them, he did the originals. Reckons much more solid, bouncy. Slip more. Slide easier under power. Hasnt changed any suspension settings. Interesting comments from one tyre to next generation i thought. Said b4, i dont like the tread pattern.
Number of reviews below on Angel 2 report high speed wobbles and tram tracking.
Look over on right of page under User Reviews.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=pirelli+angel+2 (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=pirelli+angel+2)
A bunch of crap. I've had two sets of the new/old railway track tread patterns. They stick like shit to a blanket and hold their line at all speeds. People need to pay more attention to their tyre pressures than writing crap reports. :furious: :furious: :furious:
RANT OVER :stir: :stir: :stir:
Chris, just reporting what my mate said. Ive been nothing but praise for original Angels since my first set 2013. This is his second set, originals then 2s, he does ride very hard. They are on different bike to ours. Mine still have a lot left so not concerned.
Not aimed at anyone here Grog. :notworthy:
Just to add to this
I'm on my 1st set of angel gt2's and they are doing just great .
Currently looking quite worn now with just under 8000 miles .
They have been a bit better than the gt's I've had before (4 sets) that did nearer 10k miles
The gt's and gt2's are great 8n the wet with the 2's having the edge .
I'll be needing another pair soon and will be refitting gt2's again .
It all depends on what spec you have A or B.
So glad to hear from you Irish. :laugh:
Quote from: grog on Thursday, 10 June 2021, 06:22 PM
So glad to hear from you Irish. :laugh:
He's a roving Ambassador for Pirelli!