It's my own fault, went on a ride 3 months ago and clearly didn't rinse the road salt off and then sat in my damp garage since.
so do the clamps just undo and come off or is it completely dismantle everything - sorry not too mechanically minded ! :bugga:
@Notty ,I would clean off throughout and then douse with plenty of penetrating fluid and leave for an hour or so to do it's work. When undoing the bolt go carefully, if it tightens up STOP 🛑. Spray some more fluid on the bolt and do up slowly to get more fluid on the bolt and leave a while , then try again and hopefully they will come out. :notworthy:.
I've replaced the 2 middle one on all 3 bikes and outer ones on the 2 higher mileage bikes with stainless ones from thing from Amazon.
If you need to replace them they come off very easily if you twist them front to back as they are only tack welded on and that break after 2 or 3 twists.
It also leaves a clean surface on the collector .
Good luck
Quote from: Tally on Sunday, 29 March 2020, 02:40 AM
@Notty ,I would clean off throughout and then douse with plenty of penetrating fluid and leave for an hour or so to do it's work. When undoing the bolt go carefully, if it tightens up STOP 🛑. Spray some more fluid on the bolt and do up slowly to get more fluid on the bolt and leave a while , then try again and hopefully they will come out. :notworthy:.
and then buy repair clamps? do they disassemble to fit or does the collector box have to come off? :bugga:
Quote from: Notty on Sunday, 29 March 2020, 03:47 AM
Quote from: Tally on Sunday, 29 March 2020, 02:40 AM
@Notty ,I would clean off throughout and then douse with plenty of penetrating fluid and leave for an hour or so to do it's work. When undoing the bolt go carefully, if it tightens up STOP 🛑. Spray some more fluid on the bolt and do up slowly to get more fluid on the bolt and leave a while , then try again and hopefully they will come out. :notworthy:.
and then buy repair clamps? do they disassemble to fit or does the collector box have to come off? :bugga:
Personally I think you will have to take the collector box off to fit new clamps
@Notty, bending them around the collector box to fit would be difficult and probably ruin the clamps. Plus whilst they can come off clean, you may need to file off any tack weld left on the collector box after taking off the originals, else the replacements wouldn't fit properly
See what happens when you overuse these bikes Notty? I have warned you about it before :stir: :whistling:
Notty
If you get the original clamps of a described above and buy Stainless Mikalor Clamps, you can take the bolt out of these and open the clamp enough to go over the pipes. I have done this on mine so can get you the correct clamp side if any help
https://www.hcl-clamping.co.uk/mikalor-supra-w2/1085-supra-hose-clamp-mikalor-29-31mm-430-stainless-steel
Cheers
Pete
That's a bugger Notty. It that rust or just a collection of crud? It may come off with hot soapy water & a wire brush. If not, least you don't have to take the headers off to remove the collector, bit fiddly & lots of laying on the ground unless you have access to a bike lift - Froudy . . . got a job for ya mate! :whistling:
Quote from: Will14 on Sunday, 29 March 2020, 04:10 AM
Notty
If you get the original clamps of a described above and buy Stainless Mikalor Clamps, you can take the bolt out of these and open the clamp enough to go over the pipes. I have done this on mine so can get you the correct clamp side if any help
https://www.hcl-clamping.co.uk/mikalor-supra-w2/1085-supra-hose-clamp-mikalor-29-31mm-430-stainless-steel
Cheers
Pete
cheers Pete - that's soooo much cheaper than originals :)
Shame to find that Notty. Feel sorry for you blokes that have all that crud/salt on your roads. Must be such a pain dealing with the rust issues it creates.
Quote from: Notty on Sunday, 29 March 2020, 04:53 AM
Quote from: Will14 on Sunday, 29 March 2020, 04:10 AM
Notty
If you get the original clamps of a described above and buy Stainless Mikalor Clamps, you can take the bolt out of these and open the clamp enough to go over the pipes. I have done this on mine so can get you the correct clamp side if any help
https://www.hcl-clamping.co.uk/mikalor-supra-w2/1085-supra-hose-clamp-mikalor-29-31mm-430-stainless-steel
Cheers
Pete
cheers Pete - that's soooo much cheaper than originals :)
No problem, the clamps on mine are 43-47mm on the down pipe to collector box joints
Notty I should have said before, the site that I sent the link to was just the first one that popped up doing a google search so I can't vouch for them but the site looks genuine enough & and there are plenty of other suppliers around. I was fortunate to be working for an industrial hose company when I needed mine ;)
Cheers
Pete
I didn't have to file anything .
Just butted the replacement clamps against the edge of the old weld perfect fit.
I'll try get pictures in the morning .
:cheers:
Quote from: KiwiCol on Sunday, 29 March 2020, 04:22 AM
That's a bugger Notty. It that rust or just a collection of crud? It may come off with hot soapy water & a wire brush. If not, least you don't have to take the headers off to remove the collector, bit fiddly & lots of laying on the ground unless you have access to a bike lift - Froudy . . . got a job for ya mate! :whistling:
Steve (Froudy) is a top guy - his aches and pains are not good :bugga:
@froudy
Actually
@Notty, how bad are they - if you get a spark plug wire brush (which is quite small), would the rust brush off? You could then douse them in Plus Gas / WD40 to clean them up and they may be good as gold?
Try this Notty, even cheaper.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MIKALOR-W2-Stainless-Steel-Hose-Clamps-Supra-Exhaust-T-Bolt-Marine-Clip/221623600550?hash=item3399cbc5a6:m:m6zPoz8WPOWFwvqri9bSMnw
Quote from: gsxbarmy on Sunday, 29 March 2020, 08:40 AM
Actually @Notty, how bad are they - if you get a spark plug wire brush (which is quite small), would the rust brush off? You could then douse them in Plus Gas / WD40 to clean them up and they may be good as gold?
Good idea Dave - will order some brushes to try first - did cross my mind to buy a Delkevic 4-2 and change to a wheelbarrow - will the Delkevic fit my standard headers ? :)
@gsxbarmy
Quote from: Notty on Sunday, 29 March 2020, 09:37 PM
Quote from: gsxbarmy on Sunday, 29 March 2020, 08:40 AM
Actually @Notty, how bad are they - if you get a spark plug wire brush (which is quite small), would the rust brush off? You could then douse them in Plus Gas / WD40 to clean them up and they may be good as gold?
Good idea Dave - will order some brushes to try first - did cross my mind to buy a Delkevic 4-2 and change to a wheelbarrow - will the Delkevic fit my standard headers ? :)
@gsxbarmy
I see no reason why not Geoff, I had the stainless Black Widow collector fitted to mine and it bolted straight on (and that collector is exactly the same dimensions as the Delkevic).
See if yours cleans up though buddy, they do get rather cruded - in fact what you could try doing (whilst you await the wire brush) is give the bolt/bolt thread(s) a good couple of squirts of WD40 so it has time to work around the thread and then when you get the small wire brush, undo each bolt so it loosens the clamp, as then you can get well in with the wire brush to give them a damn good clean. If indeed you can get the bolt out all the better!
I've been on shift so far this week, so only just catching up with things on here.
A couple of my clamps rusted through and snapped so as already mentioned above I bought 4x stainless Mikalor clamps and fitted them. No need to remove any of the exhaust system to fit them either. The only problem you might encounter depending on how badly they are rusted is that the original clamps are tack welded in place before they are tightened up. I just broke the welds to remove the rotted clamps and then ground the weld down until the clamp sat in the right place. I would offer to fit new ones for you
@Notty, but at the moment the Arthritis is so bad I can't even ride, let alone lie on the ground for an hour and fiddle with bike bits...It's p*ssing me right off to be honest :furious:
In the photo you can see 3 of the new clamps fitted.
Off topic but not if it helps Froudy. Have you ever tried magnesium tablets, my arthritis went from useless hands back to almost no pain. Only took a couple of months.
Quote from: froudy on Wednesday, 01 April 2020, 06:44 PM
I've been on shift so far this week, so only just catching up with things on here.
A couple of my clamps rusted through and snapped so as already mentioned above I bought 4x stainless Mikalor clamps and fitted them. No need to remove any of the exhaust system to fit them either. The only problem you might encounter depending on how badly they are rusted is that the original clamps are tack welded in place before they are tightened up. I just broke the welds to remove the rotted clamps and then ground the weld down until the clamp sat in the right place. I would offer to fit new ones for you @Notty, but at the moment the Arthritis is so bad I can't even ride, let alone lie on the ground for an hour and fiddle with bike bits...It's p*ssing me right off to be honest :furious:
In the photo you can see 3 of the new clamps fitted.
Steve I know you would help if you could.We are in lockdown for the foreseeable future so gonna try Barmy's plan first - have bought release spray, spark plug brushes and new Mikalor clamps :) look after yourself my friend and mrs F :)
@froudy
Ready to go - got 69 days of self isolation left :)
Looking better :)