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Title: Oil Cooler info
Post by: Horse on Sunday, 16 June 2019, 10:16 PM
G,day
Did a search and can't quite seem to find the answer , apologies if it's staring at me, was wondering if anyone has an insight into the failure mechanism of the leaking oil cooler. From what i can glean it splits at the flange if it's going to , is the general consensus that the vibration from a less supported cooler fatigues the joint and it cracks, my bikes done 55000 ks and am trying to do a bit of preventative work, am wondering if supporting the hoses and or cooler a bit differently might get some extra life out of the cooler . The rubbers that mount the cooler seem to be pretty loose and you can lift the cooler a few millimetres.

Any thoughts appreciated,

Horse 
Title: Re: Oil Cooler info
Post by: seth on Sunday, 16 June 2019, 10:35 PM
my oil cooler failed at the right union flange .
But mine was caused by fitting aftermarket hoses that were much heavier and had a very slight leak (a drop every once in a while)
It finally failed when I tried to tighten it and stop the leak once to often .
I took it to serval places in Germany (where it failed) and back in the uk(scotland) and was told it's to fragile to repair.
A brand new standard cooler was fitted with no problems.
I think the best thing is just clean them and leave well alone .
Emma's bike has just passed 55555 miles last week the cooler is as good as new .
:cheers:
Title: Re: Oil Cooler info
Post by: Horse on Sunday, 16 June 2019, 11:02 PM
Thanks for the info Seth seems like a bit of a lottery if they fail or not ???
Quote from: seth on Sunday, 16 June  2019, 10:35 PM
:twisted:my oil cooler failed at the right union flange .
But mine was caused by fitting aftermarket hoses that were much heavier and had a very slight leak (a drop every once in a while)
It finally failed when I tried to tighten it and stop the leak once to often .
I took it to serval places in Germany (where it failed) and back in the uk(scotland) and was told it's to fragile to repair.
A brand new standard cooler was fitted with no problems.
I think the best thing is just clean them and leave well alone .
Emma's bike has just passed 55555 miles last week the cooler is as good as new .
:cheers:
Title: Re: Oil Cooler info
Post by: Villiam3rd on Sunday, 16 June 2019, 11:48 PM
Mine looked like this after removing because it leaked,no wonder the o-ring didn't seal properly.
Title: Re: Oil Cooler info
Post by: Andre on Monday, 17 June 2019, 02:11 AM
Quote from: horse on Sunday, 16 June  2019, 11:02 PM
Thanks for the info Seth seems like a bit of a lottery if they fail or not ???

Seems to me a good assessment.

Title: Re: Oil Cooler info
Post by: seth on Monday, 17 June 2019, 03:04 AM
@Villiam3rd
That looks like the hose .
Can you get a new one or have that repaired in your part of the world.
Good luck to you  :cheers:
Title: Re: Oil Cooler info
Post by: Villiam3rd on Monday, 17 June 2019, 03:32 AM
@seth No, that is the cooler and new one is on the way.
Title: Re: Oil Cooler info
Post by: seth on Monday, 17 June 2019, 04:00 AM
That'll be why it leaked then I've not seen that before they normally split where the cooler meets the journal when then do go.
Not great having to buy a new cooler but that was never going to be repairable
:cheers:
Title: Re: Oil Cooler info
Post by: Hooli on Monday, 17 June 2019, 06:59 AM
Most coolers I've seen fail go on the LH bottom corner (as you sit on the bike) and crack in the 'accordion' style end tanks.

I doubt you can do much about it really. I think the oil flow goes in on the LH side so that corner suffers the most thermal changes, hence it expands & contracts more leading to failure.

I fitted a different design replacement after my 2nd cooler failed & had no more issues since.
Title: Re: Oil Cooler info
Post by: Horse on Monday, 17 June 2019, 09:08 AM
Thanks for the reply's, after all that I believe the design is substandard and the combination of loading ,vibration and thermal stress will be the cause.The only variable that I would have much control over is the loading so I might have a play with the hoses ( which seem overkill for the duty) and see if I can unload the cooler a bit. Probably will have no effect but will make me think I have had a go. Will also either replace or bush up the mounting rubbers and then it will probably fail soon thereafter,
Have a good one,
Horse