I've owned my GSX 14 for just over 2 years now and I've ridden other bikes but all been lower CC and not sports bikes. Most powerful I've ridden other than GSX is an Aprilia Shiver 750. While I love the GSX the only bad this is how it makes every other bike feel gutless in comparison. Even bikes like the MT-07 feel crap in comparison though MT-07 is one of the better ones I've ridden.
Just wondering what a sports bike is like in comparison having less torque but more HP like an R1? Especially to those who own a more powerful sports bike, is having that much more HP more fun than the GSX?
You'll find that all these mega sports bikes have all that extra bhp in the higher part of the rev range and where you really ride the bike will still feel lacking compared to the gsx in the lower and mid range of there revs.
I'd say go to a deal and get some test rides to find out for yourself.
:onya:
Try a three cylinder triumph,something like the speed triple 1050 grunt plus top end power in one,,,I think anyway👍
Those triples have got quite a fair bit of torque tbf. I don't think I could ever get rid of the GSX despite it not being overly fast top end lol. If I had the money or more so space (got 3 bikes in garden atm) I'd buy another GSX and modify it probably increase the CC, full exhaust system, cams, power commander etc etc not that the frame will be great for cornering a higher speeds lol.
Tbf one time I was behind a Hayabusa down a dual carriageway and due to traffic he could never get up to a speed quick enough to be able to leave the gsx. He kept having to do a double take in his mirrors wondering how a naked bike was keeping up even though he would have left me standing if it was open road lol :lol:
Try a Bking for size.
Quote from: KiwiCol on Wednesday, 20 March 2019, 02:43 PM
Try a Bking for size.
Yep - the B-King leaves the GSX1400 for dead :grin: but is nowhere near as comfortable or cruisy :onya:
Quote from: Beaker on Wednesday, 20 March 2019, 03:01 PM
Quote from: KiwiCol on Wednesday, 20 March 2019, 02:43 PM
Try a Bking for size.
Yep - the B-King leaves the GSX1400 for dead :grin: but is nowhere near as comfortable or cruisy :onya:
Is B-King faster than Busa??
V-Twin sports bikes have lower CC's but the same if not more grunt than the 14. Some years back I owned a Honda VTR1000 Firestorm as well as the 14, and it had as much if not more torque than the 14 and delivered the power in a very similar manner.
My current Triumph Explorer 1200 also has similar engine characteristics to the 14, delivering good useable low down power from its triple engine.
So there are similar bikes - sports and adventure out there with similar characteristics to the 14.
The TL1000s is a very grunty bike and a lot quiker than the GSX but no were near as comfy or as smooth to ride .
I own a Busa, a B-King, an H2 SX. All more powerful and faster than the GSX.
I like the GSX (in the same way I like my Bandit) its a good honest useable bike that doesn't cost the earth, heaps of feed back, not bad to work on, not expensive to buy or run.
Would I own a 14 as an only bike? No. Sorry, they are great for touring, pillion, luggage, comfort, tank range etc, but they just don't punch on hard enough top end.
Great bikes, happy to own one but not a sportsbike. I'm the same way a full on sportsbike to me aren't comfy or practical, a bit too focused.
Quote from: T 24 on Wednesday, 20 March 2019, 03:16 PM
Quote from: Beaker on Wednesday, 20 March 2019, 03:01 PM
Quote from: KiwiCol on Wednesday, 20 March 2019, 02:43 PM
Try a Bking for size.
Yep - the B-King leaves the GSX1400 for dead :grin: but is nowhere near as comfortable or cruisy :onya:
Is B-King faster than Busa??
My old faired Busa and B-King Run almost identical times at the strip, 10.333 and 10.339. The King is a fraction heavier and a little less powerful but so easy to launch. Up to 100mph, maybe a bit more, there nothing in it, at heigher speeds the Busa predictably walks away if you willing to risk your licence.
Busa is a LOT easier to live with than the King, spares, tank size, luggage etc. King has a nice upright position though.
Quite a lot of bikes can leave the GSX tbf. I've also very rarely come across a bike that can leave me completely mainly due to traffic obviously at night time when roads are empty they have room to leave me but not during the day. Was behind a bike yesterday which I think was a VTR 1000 though seemed to be older styling than ones I can find online. Not sure what gear he was in and I was in top but he had a bit of an edge on acceleration so knocked GSX down a gear or two. Seemed though it wasn't long before GSX started to out accelerate it top end wise though was no where near GSX's top speed. Guess though twins lose a bit of steam in the top end.
Anyone ridden something like an R6? More HP, lighter and faired probably leave the GSX but far less torque and revvy. Does that feel gutless in comparison to the GSX?
Mike, have a ride on MT10, your question will be answered.
I had a GSXR 600 K6, 'upgraded' to a big bang R1.. I think I regretted that decision to be honest.
I found it to be a pain in the arse in traffic or town riding and I personally believe there is such a thing as 'too much' power on the road (controversial opinion maybe!), you will notice a difference between an R1 and the GSX.
I enjoyed the R1 on the track, but on the road, my GSXR 600 was much more usable and that will definitely apply to the GSX too.
It's not about too much power, it's about how more power is produced.
An R1, Blade, ZX10R etc make more power but aren't as nice to use as a Busa or B-King except when you are working hard and they are on the boil.
200hp with a heap of grunt can be more useable and friendly than 160 or 180hp from a high reving sportsbike motor.
Quote from: Tony Nitrous on Wednesday, 20 March 2019, 08:25 PM
It's not about too much power, it's about how more power is produced.
An R1, Blade, ZX10R etc make more power but aren't as nice to use as a Busa or B-King except when you are working hard and they are on the boil.
200hp with a heap of grunt can be more useable and friendly than 160 or 180hp from a high reving sportsbike motor.
I concede.. Better explained version of what I was trying to say :salute:
I presume you mean a modern sportsbike, because the definition (or at least implementation) of focused sports bikes has come a long way in the last 20 years...
I too prefer torquey bikes over huge revs/top end horsepower for most uses,
I've ridden a busa - loved it but realised my licence would last 3 minutes. Prefer the GSX upright riding position though.
I've ridden a 'blade. Nah. Not for me.
I've ridden a GSXR thou. Nah. Not for me.
I've ridden an Aprilia Shiver. Fun-ish. But again not for me.
I've ridden a Norton Commando 961 (cafe). Not a sports bike, but certainly less comfortable than ANY sportsbike :lol:
I've ridden a Moto Guzzi California 1400 (yes NOT a sportsbike, but put that engine in a decent 'sporty' chassis and then talk to me. )
I'm not sure what my point was after all that.....
Owned Lots of sport/supersport bikes.
Gsxr750 and 1000gsxr
Ducati 851
Tl1000s
Vtr1000sp1
900rr
600rr
Nsr400
Rgv250
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And the only one's more fun then the 1400, are the v-twin. Awesome fun, not ås cumfy, and THE SOUND omg...... :notworthy: :notworthy:
I took a VTR1000 for a good run before getting the GSX, I actually liked it in many ways, but didn't find it comfortable to ride. The engine and noise was great fun, but I felt happy to jump back on my CB500, as gutless as it is. The GSX on the other hand makes the CB feel gutless, twitchy, unstable and even uncomfortable.
Also rode a new VFR800, which was cool but I simply didn't enjoy it. Torque is king :)
I've got a 2005 R6 (Left) along with the 14. The R6 does 'feel' a bit gutless down low especially if you have just stepped off the 14, but it outperforms the 14 (almost clinically) In just about every way.
I've made the gearing shorter on the r6 in the past (1 down 3 up) and that improves the low end performance in the sense that you get out of the low range quicker, but not comparable to the 14's sheer grunt.
I bought the 14 with the intention to do away with the R6, but they're such awesome (and hugely different) bikes . Couldn't live without either!
Hope this helps...
...but honestly just saw a good chance to share a sneaky shed pic of the bikes :smitten:
A group of us had a ride on Monday after WSBK at Phillip Island Feb2019. The last year model BMW S1000RR performed spectacularly unobtrusive traction control and ABS. It was a joy and after 4 X 20 min sessions I was worn out. :onya:
In the pits :boogie: :boogie:
Here's a video I found interesting that I watched the other day:
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The sportiest bike I ever owned was a Honda blackbird cbr1100xx. For a fat middle aged guy it was about as sporty as I could handle. Even though everyone says they are very comfortable I felt like I was riding a moto gp bike. I actually did fit on it though which is rare for me.
So Clarence, after that video, guess i rode a sport bike just an hour ago. Good old 14. :clapping:
Quote from: grog on Wednesday, 29 May 2019, 07:38 PM
So Clarence, after that video, guess i rode a sport bike just an hour ago. Good old 14. :clapping:
same here - and saved a wad of cash -enjoyed that :)
I want..... :drool:
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Looks like something from a Mad Max movie set Tony, very futuristic sort of thing.
Quote from: gsxbarmy on Wednesday, 20 March 2019, 03:19 PM
V-Twin sports bikes have lower CC's but the same if not more grunt than the 14. Some years back I owned a Honda VTR1000 Firestorm as well as the 14, and it had as much if not more torque than the 14 and delivered the power in a very similar manner.
Twin cylinder bikes generate about the same torque per cc as four cylinder bikes. A quick check on torque figures put the VTR at 67ft/lb and the GSX at 97 ft/lb but both around 100hp. Torque figures on the old 996 Ducati and R1 of the same year show fairly equal torque figures from like minded machinery.
Twins often feel more grunty because they make it lower down.
The downside is unless it's a serious racebike most twins run out of steam top end.
My 14 makes more torque than several of my other bikes, and yet despite its bigger CC's and extra torque I'd bet on it being slower at the strip. Nicer, but not faster.
"Torque sells trucks, horsepower wins races"
@Tony Nitrous harks back to the original design of B-King :whatever: :whatever: :whatever:
Quote from: GSXKING on Sunday, 30 June 2019, 09:03 PM
@Tony Nitrous harks back to the original design of B-King :whatever: :whatever: :whatever:
King (and Busa) had GSXR1000 horsepower and GSX1400 grunt.
Winner winner chicken dinner !
I remember first ride on V4 Aprilia Tuono and thinking this thing has some serious grunt. :confused1: :confused1: :confused1:
So relieved when I was finally getting off a GSXR1000. Most uncomfortable ride in my life. But the power was cool.
@Andre I had a 2004 GSXR1000 one of the best bikes ever. I agree though quite uncomfortable for anything other than a track day or squirt up the mountains. :boogie: :boogie:
Agree, for track days it would be great.
Does a Moto Guzzi Le Mans Mk III count as sports bike, because I've ridden one of those.
What about a Ducati single cylinder? It seemed sporty compared to my Honda CD250 :rofl3:
Not any more, 35 years ago that would have been a good shout. :lol:
Don't know if this counts but HD had a Softail ride day at Norwell Motorsport. It rained so not sure about the 114 cubic inch HDXR :whistling: :whistling: :whistling:
Those indicators are nasty
Riding Hardlys GSX, any chest pains, insomnia, leg cramps. Looking at self more often in mirror. Did it actually complete a lap? :cheesy:
Yes Vlad a little over compensation I think. Like so many things HD :cheers:
Grog, no, :furious: no ill effects but that massive rear tyre :confused1: steers the bike not the front tyre (it's too skinny IMHO).
Bridgestone tyres are made of black concrete :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:, so no grip under heavy acceleration, more so in the wet.
The two girls from HD Australia funnily enough are both foreigners, one Swedish absolutely gorgeous with jet black hair. :drool: :drool: :smitten: :smitten:
At least they got the the girls right. Mates and i play that game on Moto GP nights, which rider has best umbrella girl.
That rake angle of the Hardly explains a lot. For sure disqualifies it as a sports bike unless you think a chopper is a sports bike. Some people nowadays think of playing video games is a sport :rofl2:
I'll stick to my sensible little sports tourer....
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..... there is a sportsbike I have my eye on, I just haven't found the right bike at the right price yet.
Hmmm think iv'e owned 4 zx10r / 5 or 6 R1 / 3 cbr1000rr ducati 996 couple of Aprilia RSV 1000 2 maybe 3 gsxr 1000. countless sports 600's oh and used a bmw s1000rr for track days
Quote from: ouch on Monday, 15 July 2019, 06:14 AM
Hmmm think iv'e owned 4 zx10r / 5 or 6 R1 / 3 cbr1000rr ducati 996 couple of Aprilia RSV 1000 2 maybe 3 gsxr 1000. countless sports 600's oh and used a bmw s1000rr for track days
So, no then? :stir:
ouch, think you win.
I've been watching H2 prices (Sports version not the SX-SE).
Cheaper ones are still around the $25k mark.
I've seen 2 damaged ones but both were listed as not-reregisterable.
One is in Qld as a track bike, one down South being turned into a salt lake racer.
It's looking unlikely I'm going to find an affordable H2 project this year.
Gen-2 Busa's are looking cheap in comparison.
Mate recently bought one of the new, 2019 H2 Carbon Editions.
Day 1 and he was out in the rain on it !
Just testing if everything was watertight :rofl2:
Quote from: Tony Nitrous on Tuesday, 16 July 2019, 07:42 PM
Mate recently bought one of the new, 2019 H2 Carbon Editions.
Day 1 and he was out in the rain on it !
Good on him. I know a guy who uses his $300,000 Range Rover off-road a lot too.
That's what vehicles are for eh !