My engine bars i bought thru gumtree arrived today. Described as one perfect, a small mark on other. Rh one has been down the road, unuseable. Gave him a ring, stands by his description, got advice from me. Back to beginning, new ones will be ordered. Totally annoyed, robbed me.
ARGH!!! What an A-hole.
Name and shame the Seller grog. That ain't no small mark. :thumbs_down:
The guy would have no conscience - That is robbery
I'd be absolutely furious grog. Indeed name and shame him, as calling that a small mark is plain fraudulent. At the very least I'd report him to Gumtree as "minor mark" is a very misleading description. Any mates you have down his neck of the woods who could knock on his door to discuss refunding your money?
thats crap mate
the seller should have said about the marks as they are far from minor scratches.
hope you get it sorted and quickly.
seth
Thieving Ba**ard! You'd have to be some sort of mongrel to sell those with a description like that. Maybe take them back to him & give him a small mark on his nose - about the same size as the ones on the bars.
He'd never get away with that if people were there to see them & handle them prior to sale.
Send the lads around to sort him :furious:
What a Frickin Dog. I read that advert and seen the pics & that Bastard made these out to be in great condition with one having a small mark.
I would do what ever you can to fix this theiving Bastard up Grog :furious:
Sorry you've been done mate. Can you not claim anything through Gumtree?
thanks fellas, just been ripped off, all there is to it. rang him, not interested in talking, his description was accurate he says. . no come back thru gumtree. mates at the bit to fix him, no adress to go to. totally pissed off. never gumtree again, this was my first. he hid the scars in pics. thought about fixing, weld up, some filler, re paint. would never be perfect and annoy me. options now, anyone know of anyone with givi bars who might have dropped on lhs. still has rhs. will try to contact givi, maybe can just buy new rhs. otherwise just buy a new set. lesson learned, put it down to experience. what really bugs me, i would never sell anything to anyone if it didnt match what i said, have sold stuff on this and old site, i stress it doesnt meet expectation. we all value perfection, mongrel. plus the bloody time wasted.
So what info have you got - name, phone number, gumtree username, email address, link to ad... anything (PM me if you prefer)
I fancy a bit of internet detective work....
And he may find he gets signed up to all sorts of things... :mwink:
one a solution is powder coating it with a chrome effect will make it look ok but not totally how you wanted .
but least they'll be useable .
Bad luck.
As you say, it looks like one you are going to have to put down to experience.
Personally I could not advertise like that but perhaps that is because I basically a decent person.
Quote from: seth on Thursday, 07 September 2017, 01:06 AM
one a solution is powder coating it with a chrome effect will make it look ok but not totally how you wanted .
but least they'll be useable .
No don't do that. Even my powdercoater guy I use prefers not to do that.
It just makes people think "He can't afford Chrome" or "That chrome is buggered..."
You'd be much better painting it to match the black on the engine.
Grog sorry about you getting ripped.
However, maybe all is not lost. Back when gods dog was a pup we used to repair chromed bumpers. Any imperfections we couldnt file out we would braze up, file and have rechromed. Speak with an electroplater because im sure a man of your talent could fix that easily.
What a thieving bastard he is, that is NOT a small mark.
after cooling down today, have decided to fix. will fill with some metal paste i have. thought about brazing. metal paste sets and grips perfectly. rub down and paint. to get bar contour back, my plan, anyone a better is most welcome. bar is 25mm, im going to cut another 25mm in half, use it to fit wet n dry , just keep working until looks good. same contour that is. as far as painting. will etch prime both bars. paint to use, either hammerite black, spray can. or truck bed paint, thick, tough. rubberised and hides blemishes. are these good plans? i wanted black bars originally. all advice is most welcome. i will win, decided just because i got robbed by a wanker, dont give up. just a bit more effort needed on my side.
Great attitude Grog :clapping: In the end you are getting the desired black bars. If they were in perfect shiny condition that may not have happend.
There are so many thieving, deceiving, dishonest etc people out there that even with our guards up we are bound to "lose" here and there. Just keep plugging away.
I have powder coated mine a semi gloss black and they turned out good and dont look to bad against the black motor.
Quote from: VladTepes on Wednesday, 06 September 2017, 11:46 PM
So what info have you got - name, phone number, gumtree username, email address, link to ad... anything (PM me if you prefer)
I fancy a bit of internet detective work....
And he may find he gets signed up to all sorts of things... :mwink:
I totally agree. People are easy to find on social media. Find him and call him out so no one else ripped off by this dirtbag. :furious:
Well if thats described as a little mark in Oz - I'd be seething.
How does he sleep on a night. I have set on my 14. Unused yet. And hopefully staying that way.
Powder coating them would be the best outcome.
That guy was well out of order, did he sell them from his bike??
If so, he's a 'fellow' 1400 er, which make it even worse.
As for fixing them up, since they are going to be black, its quite easy, they can be 'flooded' with braze, but a large torch is needed, once a big area of brass is laid-down, it can be linished back to round, primed & painted, I did the same with the very rough set that were on the latest resto, but I used 2-pack & NOT powder-coat, I hate that stuff!!
@lawrie , you are a very experienced and well respected resto-man (we all have seen at least some of your work). You hate powder-coating. Why is that so? Very interested in your reasons as I will have to make a decision on powder-coating or paint (BOTH with appropriate primer first).
I love powder coat, particularly when it comes to my Land Rover.
The big benefit of paint though, is that it can be touched up.
I does take quite a bit to chip powdercoat, but when its does chip it's not readily fixable.
Grog - depending on what sort of finish you want - maybe try using BBQ black paint. OK it comes out matt, but it sets on rock hard (damn hard to rub down if you get it wrong), so might be an option to powder coat or spraying. Not sure how good straight over the top of chrome, you'd need to try it. I guess one could lacquer it for a shiny finish but never tried it. Cheap stuff to buy as well. Just a thought. But if you do use it, do try a sample first mate, like I said, its a so-and-so to remove if you get it wrong!
Sorry fellas, I hope I didn't upset those who like powder coat, but many years ago I was involved with the R&D system in its early years.
Powder coating is fantastic!! BUT, for certain things, not everything, to test the product, we'd paint a couple of 1" solid bars, then bash them together several times, if done right it wouldn't chip, VERY tough.
The 'grind' of the powder particles affected the shine, course grains equaled matt, triangular = semi-gloss & round made gloss, but even the gloss was only 'shiney-ish'!!
To make it proper glossy we had to apply a lacquer top-coat.
Then there's adhesion, powder MUST be applied to a fresh blasted surface to adhere properly, it WILL stick to smooth bare metal, but will eventually 'sheet-peel away.
Yet another, if a rusted area is blasted, it reveals a clean but pockmarked surface, powder, although quite thick usually still allows these irregularities to be seen, BUT, using a good 2-pack acrylic primer-filler, heavy build coats can be applied, rubbed-down leaving a beautiful surface ready for a high gloss topcoat.
In 'my' day, filler-primers could not be used in the powder system, but it might be different now.
Another problem was the range of colours, ( its probably different now) all the was, were the RAL & BS, & although many thousands, can not reproduce the many more for say, the auto world.
The bit I really don't like is the fact that if an area is damaged its just about impossible to blend in the repair, usually resulting it blasting off & starting over, as it cannot be stripped (its too bloody good) .
Its fantastic for handrails, shopfronts, & general HD duties etc.
I WOULD do wheels, car & bike, which I HAVE done, but hey, i'm biased & I LOVE rubbing down. :grin:
Thank you Lawrie
Quote from: lawrie on Friday, 08 September 2017, 06:43 PM
I WOULD do wheels, car & bike, which I HAVE done, but hey, i'm biased & I LOVE rubbing down. :grin:
I'm partial to a good rub down myself, but not with wet'n'dry ;)
Why not?? Don't knock it 'till you tried it. :grin:
Hmmm, I think 1200 grit over the 400 personally.
mate owns radiator repair shop, superb with brazing etc. hell do my repair next week. his choice is silver solder or bronze. i trust him, will find out monday. very cheap or free. for paint, either hammerite , rustoleum or truck bed paint. its rubberised and hides blemishes, sets rock hard. Barmy your bbq paint also on list, matte finish is what i want. mate at radiator shop suggested using his black he coats rads with. tough as nails, matte, costs me nothing. hes used for years, all set up in spray booth. hang them up, spray away. chrome has to be dulled first, im onto that. we use a buzz gun at work, use for removing old gaskets. little pad, 3 choices of abrasive rating, attach to an air tool. i like this project now, glad i got ripped off, will be my touch applied. will still be less than 1/2 the cost of new ones. :laugh:
Looking forward to seeing how these work out grog, sounds like a nice little project.
In fact it would be useful if you could do some pictures and perhaps a write-up as you go, as this could be useful to others to see how you actually do this (I'm sure there would be interest).
@grog
Do you have to place "feedback" on Gumtree ?
In NZ we have Trade Me, both buyer and seller place feedback on the other. That way you can look up sellers and see how many Negative feedback posts they have and why.
start tomorrow, no hurry. no feedback on gumtree, last time ill use it. ebay has always been good, two issues, both resolved. money back. one was 20 bucks other 400. i know bars seem a lot of bother over a small thing. just annoyed so now will fix. that guy who sold me bars, has 2007 gsx 14 coming up for sale. ill post warnings about it, not trust worthy. bars will end up perfect, his sale will end up nowhere.
Quote from: grog on Sunday, 10 September 2017, 07:10 PM
start tomorrow, no hurry. no feedback on gumtree, last time ill use it. ebay has always been good, two issues, both resolved. money back. one was 20 bucks other 400. i know bars seem a lot of bother over a small thing. just annoyed so now will fix. that guy who sold me bars, has 2007 gsx 14 coming up for sale. ill post warnings about it, not trust worthy. bars will end up perfect, his sale will end up nowhere.
When he does post up grog, you should put the link up so those in the know here can avoid and advise to avoid (actually a good question to ask would be whether it had ever been down the road, and see what the answer is)
Can people only see the question if it is answered ? Thats how it goes on Trade Me. So i am always cautious if I see "3 unanswered questions" . The number of unanswered questions is shown.
A different part, but similar problems, before & after pics of the same parts, I HATE binning stuff that still has life left it it!!
But in this case, I shot-blasted them clean, primed, rubbed down & re-painted.
today i went to see my mate about his welding/filling my crash bars. had them 3 weeks. had done nothing. off my xmas list, annoyed. i went and bought a brazing rod, a whole 3 bucks. fixed myself in 10 minutes. spent 1/2 hour with file and a air buzz gun, use to remove old gaskets. have fixed 2 scars, other one tomorrow. so far, so good. advice on primer to use over chrome is appreciated, will use bbq matt black to paint. will use same for forks and brake torque rod. all help/thoughts appreciated. thanks
Bit tough getting anything to stick to chrome. I have always tried to get rid of it. Often using a pretty fine, say 120 grit flappy disc on a 4 inch sander.
Others may have better ideas, which i would be interested to hearing about .
Yep chrome is a real pig to get things to stick to. Likewise, I've always used a coarse flap wheel to take the shine off and give the paint something to grab onto, followed by some etch primer and then painted on top. Mind you that BBQ paint is bloody good, damn stuff goes on and is an absolute pig to get off if you make a mistake (so be careful of any paint runs grog!) so not sure if you need any etch primer. Actually before the etc primer, I think (in this case) I'd paint some Red Oxide over the bits where you have brazed / there is any bare metal as Murphy's Law states that that is where any rust - if it does come through eventually - would appear.
Yes you would have to etch prime. I use a single pack epoxy etch primer on my repairs but like all automotive paints its expensive. Then you have to buy the correct thinner......the cost would get out of control. I'd be going to an automotive paint supplier and finding out if they have an epoxy black etch in a spray can. Thats where you would get the best advice.
Well done doing your own brazing repairs.
got bars almost perfect today, only a couple of hours with paper and little buzz gun. got paint that kills any rust under it. can serve as top coat or primer. can still see a couple of scratches, very minor. being fussy. will rub down again, decide if top coat needed. if so, either hammerite or bbq paint. wax remover is 15 per litre, white spirits $8. same stuff. 100%hydrocarbon. just a tip. happy so far. another tip, old mate at paint shop said wash your hands with white spirits before touching what you need to paint.
Cracking job that Grog,!!!
top job there
:cheers:
Looking great :clapping: :clapping:
Never know they were the same bars.
They look good to me mate, good job there!
Great job there Grog :onya:
ok, i know im boring but like other opinions. have now restored bars, final top coat today. they look perfect. top coat was rustoleum hammer finish black. my questions are, the hammer finish is not true black, more gunmetal. just how it is. would you go with this colour, no pics at moment. just live with colour. will contrast a bit with frame, motor etc. very similar to sidecover colour. OR should i overcoat with black, not sure if this would work, keep rough surface but just blacken. never tried before. can hammer paint be over coated and keep same effect.
Hard to say without seeing the colour Grog, but I would leave it from what you are saying.
But your the one who has to be happy with it.
Waiting to see pics before I give you my final professional answer :whistling:
Quote from: grog on Wednesday, 04 October 2017, 07:19 PM
snip... can hammer paint be over coated and keep same effect.
i think hammerite has a cure time of over 6 weeks and should be repainted with a similar based paint.
At work I needed to repair some "fresh" paint after 2 months and it still reacted on the overlap ( wrinkled like a old men parts )
This was the brush version
I agree with Blubber.. my mate sprayed over hammer finish to get the colour he wanted and ended up having to take it all back to the metal again to fix the reaction caused..
My question is.. Did you ever forward the user details to Barmy and did we get anywhere tracking him down? and did the bike ever come up for sale yet?
Proteous, no to all your questions. have been watching for bike, havent seen. would stand up then. rest of it, just not bothered. i got ripped but have fixed at still a reasonable price. quite enjoyed the project actually. his karma will get him.
sorry to bore you blokes, fixing has also been a boring job. hammerite paint all done. not black as they say, more gunmetal. i like it. might now do swingarm, peg hangers same.
never boring buddy :hat:
looks a great job too :onya:
Excellent job Grog, really impressed by that - look superb!
Yeah, top job there Grog :salute:
Yes nice work grog I went down the Crome road on mine but I might look at another scheme next year wait and see :onya: