engine removal

[Hooli]

Hooli, i trust and believe what you say. Just interested as to how so many car motors, older bikes run fine without air box to calm the air intake.

I know what you mean, I was surprised when I heard on the old ORG how much hassle people had getting 14s to run ok without the airbox.

My guess is it's because we've got secondary throttles that'll add further turbulence to the intake flow, being after the injectors they might add just enough extra turbulence than the air stalls under the injector & the fuel doesn't atomise into the intake charge properly.

[insane1400]

With sensors & a wiring loom in the way getting the airbox to slide back far enough for FI removal is difficult but not so bad with my sheet metal trick. Bloody poor design but we're stuck with it. Once the injectors are out then tie the airbox back with an occy strap & it's out of the way for engine removal.

Tuning the bike without the airbox is difficult is why I said "apparently" as I'm going on what I've read. I bought a GPZ1100 many years ago that was fitted with pod filters and even one of the best engine tuners in Sydney had no success getting it right. Maybe ask the question in the fuelling section where someone will give you the answer because I don't know.

Obviously because I didnt remove the FI I made it a lot harder for myself, I didnt think to remove it.

As for the airbox I have always wanted the pod filters and I am only going by what I read on the "install pod filter download" where someone said dyno tuning wasnt even needed because of how little difference they made, however Snapey you are one guy I would listen to.

I also found out why my front sprocket was loose.... the small bolt with the internal hex was tight, but the big nut I undid with a socket in my hand when I went to check the size... thats supposed to be done to 115Nm isnt it?

one funny thing I noticed about this bike, its a 2001 with about 65K on it, the tyres on the bike were made 4613... 46 week 2013 and still have plenty left...( they will be going soon)

[Hooli]

My front sprocket has come loose like that a few times, hence I thread lock the big nut when I do a chain & sprocket change these days. Plus if I ever have that side cover off, I prod the sprocket with my finger to see if it wobbles.

[KiwiCol]

with that front sprocket nut, after I've tightened it, I mark it with felt pen where it aligns to, that way I can see if there's any movement in it, any time I take the cover off.  similar to match marking

[Hooli]

Wouldn't work for me, it'd need to be clean 

[froudy]

Make sure that when you start the rebuild you do this order..
1. Loom in frame.
2. Airbox in frame.
3. Engine in.

Don't do what I did and fit airbox, throttle bodies, engine because you can't get the loom in afterwards

[Hooli]

I know an utterly crap garage that did that mistake with the loom, then misrouted it to bodge it. Took me bloody ages to sort out as part of redoing all of their work to make that bike safe for an ex.

[insane1400]

@Del hey mate I did up a sketch of the engine stand thing. If you have any questions please ask.

[froudy]

Lie frame on its side on suitable padding and unbolt engine from frame..Lift frame off engine.
Motor put into stand to work on it. Refiitting is the same procedure, but don't forget to fit loom and airbox before you refit engine into the frame.

[Hooli]

I like the engine stand, home made I presume?

[froudy]

I like the engine stand, home made I presume?

Yes. A guy on oldskool suzuki used to make them. It's for a Bandit engine, but the GSX1400 lump fits as well.

[Wilson]

I used a aluminium ladder, some lifting slings, a chain hoist to lift it on to a small scissors lift.
Then changed the position of the slings to support the engine while I slid it into the correct position. 

[KiwiCol]

Nice,   your garage has a lot of windows - 

[Mick_J]

That's because it the conservatory. 

[Wilson]

Nice,   your garage has a lot of windows - 

Living in the dark north of Europe You'll need all the light you can get in the winter time :-D

Didn't use my conservatory anyway, so why not make it a dedicated motorcycle workshop. Warm in the winter and easy acces from the house!
The workshop in the garage can then be used for the more dirty work.