Next Oil Change

[Gra Har]

In future oil changes, I will drain the oil cooler as well by disconnecting the lower connections of the oil cooler hoses. It makes no sense to leave one liter of used oil in the system. Additional cost would be one liter oil and 2.50 € for the two o-rings.

Oil used will be "semi-synthetic" Motul 5000 10W-40 and original oil filter.

Inspiration from a user on facebook, Enrico Barbetti (Suzuki GSX 1400 group).

We have been using that oil in all our bikes since I owned the VFR back in 2002, used belray oil in both my Guzzis back in the 1997-2002

[Andre]

I didn't know that it existed already in 2002. Read a test (2013) in a german motorcycle magazine. Ranked 2nd only to a full synthetic oil. I get it for 30€ for 4 liter while the full synthetic is almost twice that much.

[gsxbarmy]

For a retired perfectionist with close to no responsibilities it is well worth the effort. Before I go to sleep, I can envision the parts (I hopefully never see in reality) sparkle 

"retired perfectionist" - just like me!!!!!

I used to change my oil every 1500 miles no filter every 3000 miles. It was never that dirty but so what. As such it didn't really matter whether there was oil left in the cooler.

[Andre]

"retired perfectionist" - just like me!!!!!

I used to change my oil every 1500 miles no filter every 3000 miles. It was never that dirty but so what. As such it didn't really matter whether there was oil left in the cooler.

What did you do with the oil? Sell it as new or use it in the salad dressing? 

I had the fortune to work with lots of perfectionists, sometimes up to 50% of the work group. Was lots of fun for me, not always so for the other 50% I reckon.  It was very beneficial for our clients.

[gsxbarmy]

Andre like you I love working with perfectionists, for me there are only two results for a job, done or not done, but the thing I love is that with perfectionists you always learn something as to how you can improve or do something better.

As for my old oil - my lawn mower also got an oil change the rest was re-cycled. As an engineer, I do believe in things running like clockwork, so to me keeping the inside of an engine as clean as I could was very important - hence also why my cars and bikes also run on the best fuel I can find.

And anyway......it's a hobby!!!!

[Andre]

And anyway......it's a hobby!!!!

Exactly!!! I know guys who spent more on their bicycles than we do on our 14s. My dad has 2 bicycles. His newest one was exactly as much as my 14. He is 80. He rides almost everyday. Today it was 130 km. After every ride he thoroughly cleans the chain.

As to the learning aspect when working with perfectionists, I was going to mention that as well, but thought I wrote enough already... and I had to go back to work on my bike

[Gra Har]

Just had a look at container and I am using motul 5100

[grog]

Motul has a very well deserved name. not sure its price is deserved. with my choice im sure my motor will last as well as any. perfectionist, quite often but sometimes not. no one is perfect. if you dont stuff up, you dont find a way to fix it. 

[northern]

The question of oil is related to religion I'm using Motul in all my vehicle.

For 14 I use 7100. Is it worth it? I'd like to believe it's better for the engine. And regarding the price - "I have a guy" who's run a oil selling internet shop, and he brings me all oil (cars and bike) home on call, with very nice price.
For example 4l of Motul 7100 I pay less than 36€... There is cheaper oil, but as it was sad - IT'S A HOBBY 

[Andre]

You are right, nobody is perfect. Perfectionist does not denote being perfect and they don't think they are perfect. It is a character trait - striving for perfection.

My friendly Suzuki service guy would agree with you. He says that it doesn't matter which oil brand you use. Two identical engines would run 50k just as well with brand A or B. Doesn't see a difference in mineral vs. semi-synthetic vs. full-synthetic. With mineral you get some deposits in the engine, but they are in areas that are not significant - just a cosmetic thing, unless you change from mineral to synthetic. The synthetic loosens the crud which then can cause problems with the clutch.

I still choose the Motul 5000. Want to get 500k out of the engine and I believe that there is a difference. It is a very clean oil. Is it worth the extra money? For me it is.

[Andre]

@Tony Nitrous

I just looked (eye balled) at my oil cooler. An adapter plate is not needed. Just 4 of the L-shaped fittings. Two go on the engine case and 2 on the oil cooler.

The fittings and hoses can be had at http://auto.helperformance.com/hose-and-fittings
Same place that sells what is in the picture you posted.

Hoses can be had in "silver" or black.

Well, had a look at the link again. No oil hoses to be had there. I will give Hel a call and see if they sell me the L-pieces and hoses without the cooler.

[Andre]

@Tony Nitrous 
Have contacted the german rep for Hel. He believes that HEL will sell the hoses (decided on the braided black nylon cotton) and L-Pieces separately. It may take a while before HEL answers, as they currently have vacation time.

I eye-ball-measured the required length of the hoses, should be about 53 cm. Will do a more exact measurement before ordering.

There is an unused threaded holder in the center of the lower rear edge of the cooler where the flexible lines can be fastened.

[Tony Nitrous]

@Tony Nitrous 
Have contacted the german rep for Hel. He believes that HEL will sell the hoses (decided on the braided black nylon cotton) and L-Pieces separately. It may take a while before HEL answers, as they currently have vacation time.

I eye-ball-measured the required length of the hoses, should be about 53 cm. Will do a more exact measurement before ordering.

There is an unused threaded holder in the center of the lower rear edge of the cooler where the flexible lines can be fastened.

That's very interesting.
Thanks Andre.

[Jeykey]

The oil cooler fan is set to come on by 110 degree celsius.

110ºC or 120ºC ? I´ve read, don´t know where, it starts to run at 120ºC. Don´t know when it shuts down. Anybody knows ?

[seth]

I'm not home but when i do I'll list the parts/site where you can get all the parts .
torques i think but will need to check the bike

also try simon who's here from just bandits as they do some kits tho not sure about oil cooler ones
and finally earl's used to do a kit.
i would use any kit on a standard oil cooler tho as the journals aren't stronge enough .