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Title: Doess your first gear sound like dry bearings too?
Post by: Class— on Sunday, 23 June 2024, 11:13 AM
Hi FOlks,
So this is goning to be asked like a noob as I am one :grin: but is it usual for the 1st gear to sound very "dry" ? The rest of the gears sound fine but first has a definite dry bearing whirl noise (sorry, thats my best description  :whatever: )

Oh, I also have a Healtech DS-series G2 gear indicator. Is there something failing or broken that 2nd gear is displayed when in first or neutral a lot of the time?

Thanks

Class--
Title: Re: Doess your first gear sound like dry bearings too?
Post by: GSXKING on Sunday, 23 June 2024, 03:44 PM
 :whatever:  buy some ear plugs and just ignore it  :hat:
Title: Re: Doess your first gear sound like dry bearings too?
Post by: grog on Sunday, 23 June 2024, 04:04 PM
1st gear whine is normal. Reset for gear indicator is on Healtech website👍
Title: Re: Doess your first gear sound like dry bearings too?
Post by: Hooli on Monday, 24 June 2024, 04:44 AM
Yes. 1st gear is straight cut for strength so it whines.

Gear indicator? get someone from Norfolk to teach you to count to six with the fingers on one hand.
Title: Re: Doess your first gear sound like dry bearings too?
Post by: Nic on Monday, 24 June 2024, 08:26 AM
Ear plugs n I can't hear it. I'm a gear indicator man myself. After 4 years even though I do count the gears a lot I still love the indicator.
My newly acquired ZX14's 1st gear is noisy as well. It has a gear indicator but if the sun is not shining on it you can't read it and so you find you count a lot more so I spose by having one you do get lazy. I still like em tho.
Title: Re: Doess your first gear sound like dry bearings too?
Post by: Class— on Monday, 24 June 2024, 10:04 AM
Ah, so first gear is fine thats good to know. As for the indicator it came with the bike and somebody said something about my gear position sensor might be on its way out?? is that a thing?

Cheers

Class--j
Title: Re: Doess your first gear sound like dry bearings too?
Post by: Hooli on Monday, 24 June 2024, 05:47 PM
Quote from: Class— on Monday, 24 June  2024, 10:04 AMAh, so first gear is fine thats good to know. As for the indicator it came with the bike and somebody said something about my gear position sensor might be on its way out?? is that a thing?

Cheers

Class--j

Yes it is. The ECU knows what gear the bike is in as it reduces the power slightly below 5th by retarding the ignition. it's mostly to reduce how easy they'd wheelie other wise. Hence TREs & custom igniton wotsits (trigger plates) are an oft discussed mod.
Title: Re: Doess your first gear sound like dry bearings too?
Post by: grog on Monday, 24 June 2024, 06:28 PM
Class, said earlier, do the gear indicator re learn, still no good after, bin it.
Title: Re: Doess your first gear sound like dry bearings too?
Post by: Class— on Friday, 28 June 2024, 10:31 AM
Quote from: grog on Monday, 24 June  2024, 06:28 PMClass, said earlier, do the gear indicator re learn, still no good after, bin it.
Thanks Grog I will reset it but I believe that wont do so much as it is the GIPRO DS Series G2 and not the GIPRO ATRE G2. So you cant make it learn things like the ATRE G2. As I say I will reset it and see  :onya:

Quote from: Hooli on Monday, 24 June  2024, 05:47 PM
Quote from: Class— on Monday, 24 June  2024, 10:04 AMAh, so first gear is fine thats good to know. As for the indicator it came with the bike and somebody said something about my gear position sensor might be on its way out?? is that a thing?

Cheers

Class--j

Yes it is. The ECU knows what gear the bike is in as it reduces the power slightly below 5th by retarding the ignition. it's mostly to reduce how easy they'd wheelie other wise. Hence TREs & custom igniton wotsits (trigger plates) are an oft discussed mod.
So does that mean mine can be faulty? Is it easily replaced?

Thanks

Class--
Title: Re: Doess your first gear sound like dry bearings too?
Post by: grog on Friday, 28 June 2024, 05:14 PM
Mate,DS-G2 does have gear position relearn process. https://www.healtech-electronics.com/docs/GPDT-H0x_Manual_en.pdf
Title: Re: Doess your first gear sound like dry bearings too?
Post by: Hooli on Friday, 28 June 2024, 06:14 PM
I don' think gear position indicators use the gear position sensor. As far as I know they all work from revs & road speed to calculate it themselves. Makes them more generic so they can be sold for lots of bikes.
Title: Re: Doess your first gear sound like dry bearings too?
Post by: grog on Friday, 28 June 2024, 06:26 PM
Not sure Hooli but i think my Healtech uses info from ECU,whatever, its always spot on. I know big deal have or have not, just saves me looking for gear 7.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Doess your first gear sound like dry bearings too?
Post by: Andre on Friday, 28 June 2024, 06:50 PM
I like looking for 7th :stir:
Title: Re: Doess your first gear sound like dry bearings too?
Post by: grog on Friday, 28 June 2024, 07:01 PM
I keep looking for 1 Andre, but thats at golf. Its hard to believe, my 2nd new GT750 had gear indicator, thats now 50 yrs ago. It also worked perfectly. Guess it didnt work off ECU. Great bike. 
Title: Re: Doess your first gear sound like dry bearings too?
Post by: Class— on Saturday, 29 June 2024, 10:45 AM
Quote from: grog on Friday, 28 June  2024, 05:14 PMMate,DS-G2 does have gear position relearn process. https://www.healtech-electronics.com/docs/GPDT-H0x_Manual_en.pdf
Thanks Grog but i think my one is different. I will go have a look.

Cheers

Class--
Title: Re: Doess your first gear sound like dry bearings too?
Post by: Class— on Tuesday, 02 July 2024, 08:21 AM
Well after resetting it I still have a wierd 2nd gear showing at high rev in 1st and again showing 2nd in netrual. I also found this  https://www.healtech-electronics.com/docs/GPDT-S01_Manual_en.pdf which I believe to be my manual as I have no "L" for learning. It states I need need a new gear position sensor, is that an easy thing to replace?

Thanks

Class--
Title: Re: Doess your first gear sound like dry bearings too?
Post by: Class— on Tuesday, 02 July 2024, 08:43 AM
Well after using the brilliant search button i found this topic https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=7094.0
with this post in it
Quote from: Tim1954 on Sunday, 18 September  2022, 10:57 PM@Stevel3
Remove the plastic sprocket cover. Below the clutch slave cylinder you can find the GPS. See service manual page 3-18 topmost figure, the GPS is the white thing, although it probably is not white in your bike but covered with dirty chain grease. Clean it first from outside with WD-40 or similar. Open the two allen bolts and carefully remove the GPS so that you don't lose the little parts, see the figure at the bottom of the same page. Check also that the o-ring is in place around the GPS. Clean the contact surfaces with sandpaper and reinstall the GPS.

So I will try that.

Cheers

Class--