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Technically Speaking => General Technical discussion => Topic started by: Aussie Matt on Wednesday, 24 January 2024, 07:04 PM

Title: Starter problems
Post by: Aussie Matt on Wednesday, 24 January 2024, 07:04 PM
I have a 2008 1400 and the bike won't start. Turn the ignition on and it sweeps and primes but when you push start gets a clicking sound and primer reingageing but no starter motor. Battery is brand new. I have pulled all the plugs and sprayed and cleaned. Earth looks good. Disconnected the Gipro gear selection led screen and still no good. Any ideas.
Starter motor ?? Or the other cog it engages with maybe?
Cheers
Title: Re: Starter problems
Post by: Hooli on Wednesday, 24 January 2024, 07:22 PM
Starter relay is shared with the indicators, I'd start there & then to the solenoid. 12v to the starter terminal from the battery with a jump lead should spin the engine if the starter is good too. People will suggest the clutch & sidestand switches, but as I recall if they don't work you don't even get a click from the relay as the the starter button circuit isn't energised.

By the way, it's considered good manners here to pot an intro in the appropriate section. Some of the old duffers get narked if ya don't.
Title: Re: Starter problems
Post by: Mick_J on Wednesday, 24 January 2024, 08:08 PM
Just because the battery is new don't mean a thing, try a jump start with another battery.  As Hooli says it's best to introduce yourself, you might get more help that way.
Title: Re: Starter problems
Post by: Eric GSX1400K3 on Wednesday, 24 January 2024, 08:49 PM
Ne'er too old for good manners
Title: Re: Starter problems
Post by: seth on Wednesday, 24 January 2024, 09:20 PM
Aussie matt
Toptip go to the bar and introduce yourself also its very good to say where you are as there may well be other owners nearby who will be happy to help (swapping parts and the likes)

Step 2 have a good look through the pages in the forum as the answer will probably be there .
Then if your still stuck ask folk here .

Folk in here are much more likely to go out of there way and help folk who don't treat the ORG as a Facebook page.

Good luck with finding your fault and some of the things you should try .
Other things to check is the earth wires from the motor to the frame .
And the starter relay as described .
Hooli is a good guy to listen to having over 170k miles and has seen most problems over the years .
Others have been here on the ORG in its 3 various forms for best part of 20 years .

Your in the right place but just think on a little .

Title: Re: Starter problems
Post by: Aussie Matt on Thursday, 25 January 2024, 06:30 PM
Quote from: seth on Wednesday, 24 January  2024, 09:20 PMAussie matt
Toptip go to the bar and introduce yourself also its very good to say where you are as there may well be other owners nearby who will be happy to help (swapping parts and the likes)

Step 2 have a good look through the pages in the forum as the answer will probably be there .
Then if your still stuck ask folk here .

Folk in here are much more likely to go out of there way and help folk who don't treat the ORG as a Facebook page.

Good luck with finding your fault and some of the things you should try .
Other things to check is the earth wires from the motor to the frame .
And the starter relay as described .
Hooli is a good guy to listen to having over 170k miles and has seen most problems over the years .
Others have been here on the ORG in its 3 various forms for best part of 20 years .

Your in the right place but just think on a little .


Oh so sorry wasn't my intent... I'm a 57 yo guy in Hervey Bay. Where do I do the intro?
Cheers and sorry guys
Title: Re: Starter problems
Post by: Hooli on Thursday, 25 January 2024, 06:32 PM
The intro section is a bit further up the index - https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?board=20.0
Title: Re: Starter problems
Post by: grog on Thursday, 25 January 2024, 07:10 PM
Matt, first thing is you need a good multimeter, we can then continue on your problem.
Title: Re: Starter problems
Post by: Aussie Matt on Friday, 02 February 2024, 10:31 PM
Quote from: grog on Thursday, 25 January  2024, 07:10 PMMatt, first thing is you need a good multimeter, we can then continue on your problem.
Hi grog
Thanks for the reply . I have a pretty good one in the garage. How would I test the starter motor. I've tried everything else but I've just noticed my low beam on the headlights has gone also. There's that clicking sound Everytime I try to start and the engine primes. I had the battery tested and it was fine.
Title: Re: Starter problems
Post by: grog on Saturday, 03 February 2024, 08:11 AM
Matt, meter on volts.Check volts at batt with start button pressed, around 12.Move neg onto frame/ motor re check. Tests earth connection. Move positive onto big starter wire, re check. Move pos onto small starter wire, re check. If all these give good voltage its the starter motor. If your losing volts at any of these tests, its a supply problem, need to trace bad connection.
Title: Re: Starter problems
Post by: KiwiCol on Saturday, 03 February 2024, 10:02 AM
Goodness be upon you Mr Grog . . .  :cheers:
Title: Re: Starter problems
Post by: Mick_J on Saturday, 03 February 2024, 07:56 PM
Matt, put your finger on the starter solenoid can when you press the starter button, you should feel it activate because there are a couple of relays that actuate when the starter is pressed, you might be hearing the wrong one.  If it does activate then the next thing would be to short out the larger terminals on the solenoid with a spanner to see if that spins the motor, if it does then your starter solenoid is probably shagged.
Title: Re: Starter problems
Post by: Aussie Matt on Monday, 05 February 2024, 11:13 AM
Quote from: grog on Saturday, 03 February  2024, 08:11 AMMatt, meter on volts.Check volts at batt with start button pressed, around 12.Move neg onto frame/ motor re check. Tests earth connection. Move positive onto big starter wire, re check. Move pos onto small starter wire, re check. If all these give good voltage its the starter motor. If your losing volts at any of these tests, its a supply problem, need to trace bad connection.
Thanks buddy I'm in the garage now and I'll give that a try.... Stinking hot here today . So over summer. 😎
Title: Re: Starter problems
Post by: grog on Monday, 05 February 2024, 05:14 PM
Yeah Matt, bloody hard work in the shed this Summer. Just doesnt give up, soaked with sweat just breathing. 🥵🥵
Title: Re: Starter problems
Post by: Aussie Matt on Wednesday, 07 February 2024, 08:18 PM
Quote from: grog on Thursday, 25 January  2024, 07:10 PMMatt, first thing is you need a good multimeter, we can then continue on your problem.
Hey mate ... I did the test and the starter came back no probs. I think it's the kill switch. I opened it up and sprayed it with isopropyl spray and it's been starting and running well for days now. My low beam on the headlight is not working so I'm going to go take it in to get a new led headlight. The one I installed was draining the battery on small rides.
I'll keep you informed but thanks for the help and also for the heads up on the introduction as well. Appreciate it. I was going to buy the z900 Se kwaka and take the 1400 of the road and fix multiple things on it but the wait is insane... been 6 months so far and no sign of showing up.. The front forks on the 1400 are black from the clear coat failing and casings are the same from stone chips. Needs new chain sprocket and back shocks and the brakes I thought were the one weak spot the 1400 had. I also like the twin exhaust on earlier models. I have a single akraprovic on mine.
Do you have any thoughts on the twin exhaust or recommendations on where to go ? My town is pretty limited for bike shops. Assuming your in Australia
Title: Re: Starter problems
Post by: VladTepes on Thursday, 08 February 2024, 03:46 PM
The challenge with going to twin exhausts is getting a left hand pillion peg/exhaust bracket, if your bike was originally a single pipe set up. They are unicorn shit.  If you are lucky your bike may have originally been twin pipe and already the correct bracket will be there.
Title: Re: Starter problems
Post by: Eric GSX1400K3 on Thursday, 08 February 2024, 07:40 PM
Quote from: VladTepes on Thursday, 08 February  2024, 03:46 PMThe challenge with going to twin exhausts is getting a left hand pillion peg/exhaust bracket, if your bike was originally a single pipe set up. They are unicorn shit.  If you are lucky your bike may have originally been twin pipe and already the correct bracket will be there.
glad to know I've got unicorn shit then....my dec 02 built 03 has the lh rear peg with exhaust hanger bracket. Im running a single Akra exhaust on the rhs...
Title: Re: Starter problems
Post by: Hooli on Thursday, 08 February 2024, 08:43 PM
Same as me Eric
Title: Re: Starter problems
Post by: seth on Thursday, 08 February 2024, 10:29 PM
Quote from: Eric GSX1400K3 on Thursday, 08 February  2024, 07:40 PM
Quote from: VladTepes on Thursday, 08 February  2024, 03:46 PMThe challenge with going to twin exhausts is getting a left hand pillion peg/exhaust bracket, if your bike was originally a single pipe set up. They are unicorn shit.  If you are lucky your bike may have originally been twin pipe and already the correct bracket will be there.
glad to know I've got unicorn shit then....my dec 02 built 03 has the lh rear peg with exhaust hanger bracket. Im running a single Akra exhaust on the rhs...
I've got a brand new later l/h rear footrest hanger .
If you want it for free I'd be happy split the profits of the one off your bike with you 🫣🤔
Title: Re: Starter problems
Post by: KiwiCol on Friday, 09 February 2024, 04:35 AM
I think Snapey has/had 1 or 2 as well.  Irish Jeff could also be worth asking.
Title: Re: Starter problems
Post by: Irish in Oz on Friday, 09 February 2024, 08:22 PM
I only collect Rocking Horse shit.
Title: Re: Starter problems
Post by: GSXKING on Saturday, 10 February 2024, 12:25 PM
Quote from: Irish in Oz on Friday, 09 February  2024, 08:22 PMI only collect Rocking Horse shit.

Oi vay 😳😳
Title: Re: Starter problems
Post by: grog on Saturday, 10 February 2024, 05:47 PM
Topic off track, yeah i know. I found rocking horse shit yesterday. Cleaning out old tool boxes, Suzuki branded tool. Pretty sure its rear axle nut tool for T250, makes it 56 years old, dont find one of them everyday. 😂
Title: Re: Starter problems
Post by: Irish in Oz on Saturday, 10 February 2024, 11:26 PM
Quote from: grog on Saturday, 10 February  2024, 05:47 PMTopic off track, yeah i know. I found rocking horse shit yesterday. Cleaning out old tool boxes, Suzuki branded tool. Pretty sure its rear axle nut tool for T250, makes it 56 years old, dont find one of them everyday. 😂
Post it to me, I have a 65 and 69 model and not a tool kit between them.
Title: Re: Starter problems
Post by: grog on Sunday, 11 February 2024, 05:44 PM
Irish, i would no probs except $25 plus post bag, not worth that.
Title: Re: Starter problems
Post by: GSXKING on Wednesday, 14 February 2024, 07:03 AM
Quote from: grog on Sunday, 11 February  2024, 05:44 PMIrish, i would no probs except $25 plus post bag, not worth that.

He can afford to fly over and pick it up @Grog 💰💰💰
He's one of Irelands richest men 😎
Title: Re: Starter problems
Post by: Irish in Oz on Wednesday, 14 February 2024, 11:44 PM
@GSXKING I won't be flying back for another 18 months, sold the ST and Bandit to pay for it. The rest of the money will be needed to pay for greenslip, insurance, plates etc to put the K7 back on the road.