Gsx1400 2001 fuel filters without brass threaded hole on end. Every one for sale has these holes, mine has no holes. So difficult to find mine. What are the threaded holes for? Can I use these filters?
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Bike will not start even using starting fluid can hear fuel pump running for about 30 seconds which seems a bit too long to me presume it needs new filter possibly fuel pump
Check out Quantum efi pumps. These work.
https://www.xpsa.com.au/quantum-in-tank-efi-fuel-pump-for-suzuki-gsx1400-2~958437
Quote from: zaphod on Tuesday, 20 June 2023, 02:29 PMBike will not start even using starting fluid can hear fuel pump running for about 30 seconds which seems a bit too long to me presume it needs new filter possibly fuel pump
Yes, 30 seconds is too long, I reckon the pressure regulator is toast or it's bypassing fuel pressure somewhere else. Should only take a few seconds to prime and build pressure in the fuel rail.
Maybe the reg has fallen away from its clips, but, doesnt explain why no start with fuel spray into air intake, is that what you did? Not really sure of what youve tried.
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Wow that's cheap compared to genuine!
As to your running issue, is the O-ring in place on the exit of the filter where it fits back to the filter bowl? any leak there loses pressure back into the tank.
thanks to all. the bike has sat for 2 years indoors with monthly startups. recent attempts to start, failed, with no hint of firing. added new 98 fuel, tried ether spray and had a few coughs. thats it. i presume filter blockage, or fuel pump, as the bike was untouched and now will not start. i have ordered a filter and pump , and hope that is the issue
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Wow that's cheap compared to genuine!
As to your running issue, is the O-ring in place on the exit of the filter where it fits back to the filter bowl? any leak there loses pressure back into the tank.
the bike was untouched except for regular startups
I'd try grog's idea then.
The metal valve that fits to the top of the fuel filter has a tendency to fall off when the white plastic clip comes loose. That'll cause pretty much what you describe.
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As for what the brass threaded holes are for, no idea. I presume the fittings are slightly different in other bikes, but they'll be blind holes so I can't see them causing any issue on a 14.
Having seen how cheap those are I've ordered one as a spare to put on the shelf, I find the filters block after 50k miles or so which means my current one is nearly half used.
Quote from: Hooli on Tuesday, 20 June 2023, 10:11 PMI'd try grog's idea then.
The metal valve that fits to the top of the fuel filter has a tendency to fall off when the white plastic clip comes loose. That'll cause pretty much what you describe.
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cheers, ive ordered new anyway , which comes with the valve. i hope this solves the issue
Quote from: Hooli on Tuesday, 20 June 2023, 10:16 PMAs for what the brass threaded holes are for, no idea. I presume the fittings are slightly different in other bikes, but they'll be blind holes so I can't see them causing any issue on a 14.
Having seen how cheap those are I've ordered one as a spare to put on the shelf, I find the filters block after 50k miles or so which means my current one is nearly half used.
yes they are cheap, plenty available in oz. at 80,000 it is probably in order
The brass threaded holes are to mount the fuel gauge of the Hayabusa K2-K7. Note the title in the ebay ad.
I recently fitted one of these cheap filters in my 14. Works "plug and play".
Quote from: Andre on Tuesday, 20 June 2023, 11:37 PMThe brass threaded holes are to mount the fuel gauge of the Hayabusa K2-K7. Note the title in the ebay ad.
I recently fitted one of these cheap filters in my 14. Works "plug and play".
yay
UK Ebay address for that mega cheap fuel pump filter !!
https://tinyurl.com/3z76bnat
Quote from: zaphod on Tuesday, 20 June 2023, 02:29 PMBike will not start even using starting fluid can hear fuel pump running for about 30 seconds which seems a bit too long to me presume it needs new filter possibly fuel pump
I'd say if it wont even start or fire on starter fluid you have an electrical problem, check to see if you have a spark.
Quote from: mjgt on Wednesday, 21 June 2023, 06:50 PMQuote from: zaphod on Tuesday, 20 June 2023, 02:29 PMBike will not start even using starting fluid can hear fuel pump running for about 30 seconds which seems a bit too long to me presume it needs new filter possibly fuel pump
I'd say if it wont even start or fire on starter fluid you have an electrical problem, check to see if you have a spark.
i do get some life but dont use enough ether to start it
Quote from: Hooli on Tuesday, 20 June 2023, 10:16 PMHaving seen how cheap those are I've ordered one as a spare to put on the shelf, I find the filters block after 50k miles or so which means my current one is nearly half used.
Ive done the same Hooli and I dont even need a filter.... Yet !
If these were around before i did external filter, probably would be me also. Was lots then for filter, guessing but was over $700, cant remember. No probs or regrets with how ive gone.
Aye the last genuine filter I got for mine was about £170.
Still discussing fuel filters after all these years. Think of me next time you're in the middle of nowhere and your bike is starving for fuel and wonder why I didn't listen to the old coot when he said to fit an external filter.
You know my thoughts Snapey. :)
My one of these arrived today, bar the screw holes it looks identical to the real thing to me. Not that I've compared it to an old one to prove it. It'll now sit on the shelf till I need it.
All sold - are you on commission Simon? :rofl2:
Quote from: Notty on Tuesday, 27 June 2023, 04:15 AMAll sold - are you on commission Simon? :rofl2:
Hi Geoff (Notty),
I didnt get the last one (though its still in the post)..
There is more than one seller of those filters if I remember correctly..
By the way how do you like the calipers?
In my opinion they are better in the flesh than the photos showed.
S.
Quote from: Speedy1959 on Tuesday, 27 June 2023, 02:34 PMQuote from: Notty on Tuesday, 27 June 2023, 04:15 AMAll sold - are you on commission Simon? :rofl2:
By the way how do you like the calipers?
In my opinion they are better in the flesh than the photos showed.
S.
Haven't seen them yet Simon - they are in my mates garage :rofl2:
So glad a cheaper filter has been found, not worrying me as external works. Sure was a rip off the genuine one. Hope it meets youre micron standard Andre, long time ago but were discussions on it. Externals are 30, doubt youll get specs from your in tank copy, I might be wrong again. :grin: Hope i am.
Quote from: Hooli on Monday, 26 June 2023, 11:53 PMMy one of these arrived today, bar the screw holes it looks identical to the real thing to me. Not that I've compared it to an old one to prove it. It'll now sit on the shelf till I need it.
I have compared it to the old one, they are identical except for the screw holes. Quality, judged by sight/feel, is also identical.
Quote from: grog on Tuesday, 27 June 2023, 07:02 PMSo glad a cheaper filter has been found, not worrying me as external works. Sure was a rip off the genuine one. Hope it meets youre micron standard Andre, long time ago but were discussions on it. Externals are 30, doubt youll get specs from your in tank copy, I might be wrong again. :grin: Hope i am.
Sure hope you are wrong :) It was (is) a concern to me. Original filter element is paper. Can't see that they dared leaving it out to save a couple cent. While I can't see, I can imagine it. Besides the paper filter being proper micron for the application, it has a VASTLY greater filter surface than the tiny filter element you are using. Also consider that the micron spec only filters particles of stated size by, lets say 90%. As long as your and my boat stays afloat everything is ok :cheers:
There are many proper filters one could consider for external use, I have not found one that fits the dimensions I require for placement.
Should I feel very rich one day, I buy another one just to cut it open to have a looksy :imrgreen:
Another concern is the pressure regultator. Haven't found the time to measure it yet but will do (hope) this week. As a retired person time is a very scarce resource.
ok, update. new pump and filter did nothing. however even with the tank on the ground, there is a whining sound when key turned, which i thought was the fuel pump. what could sound like a fuel pump whining for about 30 seconds?
Fan on a led headlight?
No led light
Time you started crawling around the bike to trace it then, I can't think of owt that does that on a 14.
The only other fan is the oil cooler fan, try unplugging that & see if it still does it.
Starter relay ?
Mine makes no 30 second noises, initially just the pump as per usual, no clues from me. Does the stva go thru a routine on initial key on? I dont know that answer.
Quote from: grog on Wednesday, 28 June 2023, 05:17 PMMine makes no 30 second noises, initially just the pump as per usual, no clues from me. Does the stva go thru a routine on initial key on? I dont know that answer.
It does, but takes about a second. It travels to it's full travel at each end, flicks back to centred and then turns to the fast idle position.
Quote from: Eric GSX1400K3 on Wednesday, 28 June 2023, 04:20 PMStarter relay ?
maybe, it was making a clicking sound at one point
im thinking seriously about selling up
Quote from: Hooli on Wednesday, 28 June 2023, 05:30 PMQuote from: grog on Wednesday, 28 June 2023, 05:17 PMMine makes no 30 second noises, initially just the pump as per usual, no clues from me. Does the stva go thru a routine on initial key on? I dont know that answer.
It does, but takes about a second. It travels to it's full travel at each end, flicks back to centred and then turns to the fast idle position.
yeah, that is going through its paces ok
Quote from: grog on Wednesday, 28 June 2023, 05:17 PMMine makes no 30 second noises, initially just the pump as per usual, no clues from me. Does the stva go thru a routine on initial key on? I dont know that answer.
yep
im starting to think , injectors. as they have seen 2yo fuel
Injectors would click or buzz, not whine like an electric motor.
To me either thr starter relay is cactus, contacts have welded up, or stva acting up.
Try a hard reset?
ive tried a reset by removing ecu and battery.
it starts on ether
i would post a pic or 2 from hard drive but dont know how
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Quote from: zaphod on Wednesday, 28 June 2023, 09:33 PMi would post a pic or 2 from hard drive but dont know how
wkd it out
I see screen, cans and seat. :onya: Anything else changed ? Looks very nice in that light :cheers:
Quote from: GSXKING on Thursday, 29 June 2023, 12:33 PMI see screen, cans and seat. :onya: Anything else changed ? Looks very nice in that light :cheers:
hi, not much changed, only grips, mirrors, screen removed, centre stand removed, fuel pump,filter, braided lines on front, still looks much the same. best of all, now its running again. cheers
bike running again. pulled it apart again, checked everything, put back together, primed several times, fired up, good as new. no idea why i had so much trouble starting before. :boogie: :boogie:
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