replaced the "S" on the tank with a full badge, looks much better to me ;)
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better pic as we like pic's ;)
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@hard road - Nice picture - however, you've got your rear axle fitted the wrong way around - the axle nut should be fitted on the chain/sprocket side.
Quote from: gsxbarmy on Friday, 09 June 2023, 07:49 AM@hard road - Nice picture - however, you've got your rear axle fitted the wrong way around - the axle nut should be fitted on the chain/sprocket side.
thats how I got the bike, not had the rear wheel out yet. but does it really matter :whatever:
Quote from: hard road on Friday, 09 June 2023, 07:56 AMQuote from: gsxbarmy on Friday, 09 June 2023, 07:49 AM@hard road - Nice picture - however, you've got your rear axle fitted the wrong way around - the axle nut should be fitted on the chain/sprocket side.
thats how I got the bike, not had the rear wheel out yet. but does it really matter :whatever:
It's different on different bikes, I think the Busa and B-King, both using similar adjusters and exactly the same wheel are different, nut left or nut right. Suzuki change it on different bikes, it makes absolutely zero difference which way you do it. There's nothing special about the spindle, the bike doesn't know which side the nuts on.
I'm happy to be proved wrong but the spindle / nut is not going to unwind itself if you reverse it.
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bang on Tony :onya:
Quote from: Tony Nitrous on Friday, 09 June 2023, 08:07 AMSuzuki change it on different bikes, it makes absolutely zero difference which way you do it. There's nothing special about the spindle, the bike doesn't know which side the nuts on.
The bike doesn't know the difference but I do. The "wrong way" makes for easier chain tension adjustment.
I cannot comment as to whether it makes a difference or not. I always work on the basis that the engineers who design cars and motorcycles know best considering they spend thousands on development of machines. Often things may seem to make no difference, sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.
Your bike, your choice. I was merely pointing out that as standard, the axle nut is fastened on the other side.
Much easier in my world to tap thru from rhs. Also what Andre said. Otherwise makes no difference. IMO
Quote from: gsxbarmy on Friday, 09 June 2023, 05:19 PMI cannot comment as to whether it makes a difference or not. I always work on the basis that the engineers who design cars and motorcycles know best considering they spend thousands on development of machines. Often things may seem to make no difference, sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.
Your bike, your choice. I was merely pointing out that as standard, the axle nut is fastened on the other side.
it really doesn't matter what side as the clamping forces are exactly the same. but in my mind suzuki got it wrong. ive spent over 45 years as a mechanic and 25 of them in bike shops, as you tighten the axle nut on some bikes the nut can move in the direction its being tightened, on the left it wants to roll backwards pulling the axle with it and putting the wheel out of line and tightening the chain. if its on the right it can't roll forward as the axle is tight up against the adjuster block. :onya:
Quote from: hard road on Friday, 09 June 2023, 07:05 PMit really doesn't matter what side as the clamping forces are exactly the same. but in my mind suzuki got it wrong. ive spent over 45 years as a mechanic and 25 of them in bike shops, as you tighten the axle nut on some bikes the nut can move in the direction its being tightened, on the left it wants to roll backwards pulling the axle with it and putting the wheel out of line and tightening the chain. if its on the right it can't roll forward as the axle is tight up against the adjuster block. :onya:
Maybe they are the same engineers who did the many recalled Suzukis Reg / Rec's, Hayabusa failing subframes, many recalled front brake masters, 4 recalls on recent Kawasaki H2's, snapped GSXR frames, Honda cam chain tensioners, TL rotary dampers, and a 1000 more things. Being a factory design is hardly a guarantee of anything. ;)
All this crap over an axle nut. Were better than that.
Quote from: grog on Friday, 09 June 2023, 08:03 PMAll this crap over an axle nut. Were better than that.
Discussion is good, just don't take it too seriously,
Quote from: hard road on Friday, 09 June 2023, 07:05 PMQuote from: gsxbarmy on Friday, 09 June 2023, 05:19 PMI cannot comment as to whether it makes a difference or not. I always work on the basis that the engineers who design cars and motorcycles know best considering they spend thousands on development of machines. Often things may seem to make no difference, sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.
Your bike, your choice. I was merely pointing out that as standard, the axle nut is fastened on the other side.
it really doesn't matter what side as the clamping forces are exactly the same. but in my mind suzuki got it wrong. ive spent over 45 years as a mechanic and 25 of them in bike shops, as you tighten the axle nut on some bikes the nut can move in the direction its being tightened, on the left it wants to roll backwards pulling the axle with it and putting the wheel out of line and tightening the chain. if its on the right it can't roll forward as the axle is tight up against the adjuster block. :onya:
This made me laugh, it's being tightened clockwise so the same direction on either side. It won't move unless you're not using the spanner properly.
Quote from: Hooli on Friday, 09 June 2023, 10:13 PMQuote from: hard road on Friday, 09 June 2023, 07:05 PMQuote from: gsxbarmy on Friday, 09 June 2023, 05:19 PMI cannot comment as to whether it makes a difference or not. I always work on the basis that the engineers who design cars and motorcycles know best considering they spend thousands on development of machines. Often things may seem to make no difference, sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.
Your bike, your choice. I was merely pointing out that as standard, the axle nut is fastened on the other side.
it really doesn't matter what side as the clamping forces are exactly the same. but in my mind suzuki got it wrong. ive spent over 45 years as a mechanic and 25 of them in bike shops, as you tighten the axle nut on some bikes the nut can move in the direction its being tightened, on the left it wants to roll backwards pulling the axle with it and putting the wheel out of line and tightening the chain. if its on the right it can't roll forward as the axle is tight up against the adjuster block. :onya:
This made me laugh, it's being tightened clockwise so the same direction on either side. It won't move unless you're not using the spanner properly.
it might not on the 1400 but i can assure you it does on other bikes, that was my point. ive seen this many times on other makes and bikes. and I think 45 years as a mechanic I know how to use a spanner.
Quote from: gsxbarmy on Friday, 09 June 2023, 07:49 AM@hard road - Nice picture - however, you've got your rear axle fitted the wrong way around - the axle nut should be fitted on the chain/sprocket side.
Totally agree with Barmy if the motorcycle axle is not locked in the swingarm, like the older bikes. The reason is, if there is resistance between the axle and rotating parts (say damaged roller bearing) the torque produced could loosen the nut as the axle will spin clockwise viewed from non sprocket side.
Quote from: Irish in Oz on Friday, 09 June 2023, 10:38 PMQuote from: gsxbarmy on Friday, 09 June 2023, 07:49 AM@hard road - Nice picture - however, you've got your rear axle fitted the wrong way around - the axle nut should be fitted on the chain/sprocket side.
Totally agree with Barmy if the motorcycle axle is not locked in the swingarm, like the older bikes. The reason is, if there is resistance between the axle and rotating parts (say damaged roller bearing) the torque produced could loosen the nut as the axle will spin clockwise viewed from non sprocket side.
now that made me laugh !!! in all my years working on bikes ive never seen or heard that ??? if a wheel bearing was in that bad a condition you would feel it on the road,plus its a thing that should be checked before riding anyway. IF that was a thing then the nut would never be fitted on the right, but as Tony nitrous posted some ARE on the right. at the end of the day if the nut is tight to factory spec then its going nowhere.
this thread has got out of hand after posting a pic of my NEW BADGES !!! :whatever:
Quote from: hard road on Friday, 09 June 2023, 11:21 PMQuote from: Irish in Oz on Friday, 09 June 2023, 10:38 PMQuote from: gsxbarmy on Friday, 09 June 2023, 07:49 AM@hard road - Nice picture - however, you've got your rear axle fitted the wrong way around - the axle nut should be fitted on the chain/sprocket side.
Totally agree with Barmy if the motorcycle axle is not locked in the swingarm, like the older bikes. The reason is, if there is resistance between the axle and rotating parts (say damaged roller bearing) the torque produced could loosen the nut as the axle will spin clockwise viewed from non sprocket side.
now that made me laugh !!! in all my years working on bikes ive never seen or heard that ??? if a wheel bearing was in that bad a condition you would feel it on the road,plus its a thing that should be checked before riding anyway. IF that was a thing then the nut would never be fitted on the right, but as Tony nitrous posted some ARE on the right. at the end of the day if the nut is tight to factory spec then its going nowhere.
this thread has got out of hand after posting a pic of my NEW BADGES !!! :whatever:
Believe it or not these failures can happen during riding, as I said old machines when you where an apprentice the axle was not locked in the swingarm like a GSX1400 and other machines and that is why they where on the sprocket side.
OK, I'm locking this thread now to comments as I agree with
@hard road it's gone way off topic of his new badges and I think we have all had our say on whether it really matters about which side the axle nut is, everyone having their own opinion.