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Technically Speaking => Electrics => Topic started by: Persizi on Thursday, 08 June 2023, 06:53 PM

Title: Hard cold start
Post by: Persizi on Thursday, 08 June 2023, 06:53 PM
About a week ago I started having problems with my GSX 1400. When it's cold it starts very hard, takes a lot of time on the starter and when it runs it's very jerky. If I turn off the ignition and start it again everything is just fine, the engine works very smoothly and the fast idle works. It happens even when the engine is warm. When I leave it for a half an hour or an hour, then it starts harder but If I turn the ignition off and start it again everything is fine.
I've checked the TPS and STPS sensors and they are fine. The fast idle is also fine. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Hard cold start
Post by: hard road on Thursday, 08 June 2023, 07:57 PM
time for a fuel pump clean maybe !!!!!
Title: Re: Hard cold start
Post by: Persizi on Thursday, 08 June 2023, 08:16 PM
I can try, but I don't think this is it. If it was а fuel pump issue it would do it all the time, no just on the first start.
Title: Re: Hard cold start
Post by: hard road on Thursday, 08 June 2023, 09:01 PM
Quote from: Persizi on Thursday, 08 June  2023, 08:16 PMI can try, but I don't think this is it. If it was а fuel pump issue it would do it all the time, no just on the first start.

worth a try.
Title: Re: Hard cold start
Post by: Blubber on Friday, 09 June 2023, 02:23 AM
Check the basis, from up here sounds lik a  bad earth.

2x Battery connections
2x Big connectors on the starter relais
1x negative ground connector towards loom
1x negative ground toward engine

But also check the starter motor bolts
Mine were loose causing bad cold starts.

HTH
Title: Re: Hard cold start
Post by: Persizi on Friday, 09 June 2023, 02:47 AM
All of those are fine. The starter cranks fast and well as usual. Even I charged the battery just in case. The engine not just starts hard, when it does it works very jerky on lower rpm, like the mixture is very rich or very poore.
Title: Re: Hard cold start
Post by: hard road on Friday, 09 June 2023, 04:38 AM
try putting it in dealer mode and see if a code comes up.
Title: Re: Hard cold start
Post by: KiwiCol on Friday, 09 June 2023, 05:22 AM
  it is a bit of a head scratcher isn't it  :confused1:    sounds electrical to me, perhaps the wires to the injectors (or 1 of them) are loose / dirty.      Unplug them, clean with contact cleaner & check for a proper fit when re-fitting & see if that helps.  Good luck
Title: Re: Hard cold start
Post by: Speedy1959 on Friday, 09 June 2023, 03:31 PM
A random thought..
Try flicking the kill switch a few times before you try to start it..
Just in case firty contacts..
My other thought would be check the clutch switch (Clutch lever) for dirt/bad connection.
Title: Re: Hard cold start
Post by: Persizi on Saturday, 10 June 2023, 11:25 PM
I fixed the problem. The fuel pressure regulator had pulled out.
Now I have another problem. One of the o-rings is worn out and I can't find another one. Someone to know where I find some of those?
(https://i.imgur.com/i2xk1Ye.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/GaqXVpW.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/OmNhf7d.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Hard cold start
Post by: Speedy1959 on Sunday, 11 June 2023, 02:33 AM
You will need to measure your O ring pretty accurately and then try these people..
They are superb and offer top quality items..

https://tinyurl.com/yckwy8tk

S
Title: Re: Hard cold start
Post by: Persizi on Sunday, 11 June 2023, 02:45 AM
Is anyone one knows the model number or the size? Because I already put everything together.
Title: Re: Hard cold start
Post by: hard road on Sunday, 11 June 2023, 03:05 AM
Quote from: Persizi on Sunday, 11 June  2023, 02:45 AMIs anyone one knows the model number or the size? Because I already put everything together.

probable not  :whatever:  Suzuki uses odd sizes with their O rings so it must be exact.
Title: Re: Hard cold start
Post by: Speedy1959 on Sunday, 11 June 2023, 03:37 AM
Quote from: Speedy1959 on Sunday, 11 June  2023, 02:33 AMYou will need to measure your O ring pretty accurately and then try these people..
They are superb and offer top quality items..

https://tinyurl.com/yckwy8tk

S

Go on this website and look..
I would measure yours (or the Brass fitting) accurately and then buy several O rings going up in thickness..
You need to look at this website, or spend £257 on a new fuel pressure regulator!!
Title: Re: Hard cold start
Post by: Persizi on Sunday, 11 June 2023, 04:46 AM
This is not the pressure regulator o-ring. But the size looks the same.
I think I found it, OEM Part # 15113-35F00-000
Title: Re: Hard cold start
Post by: Andre on Sunday, 11 June 2023, 06:10 AM
Quote from: Persizi on Sunday, 11 June  2023, 02:45 AMIs anyone one knows the model number or the size? Because I already put everything together.

Suzuki part number is: 15113-35F00-000

I sourced mine from a German company. Size 7.52 x 3.53mm NBR70 (also known as Viton shore 70).
Title: Re: Hard cold start
Post by: Persizi on Sunday, 18 June 2023, 02:50 AM
Quote from: Andre on Sunday, 11 June  2023, 06:10 AM
Quote from: Persizi on Sunday, 11 June  2023, 02:45 AMIs anyone one knows the model number or the size? Because I already put everything together.

Suzuki part number is: 15113-35F00-000

I sourced mine from a German company. Size 7.52 x 3.53mm NBR70 (also known as Viton shore 70).
Turns out the O-Rings that came with that number are slightly different sizes than mine. The O-rings with the 15113-35F00 are 8mm inner - 14mm outer (3mm thickness), mine are 8mm inner 15mm outer (3.5mm thickness).
There is no such a size at https://tinyurl.com/yckwy8tk either.
I ordered some from Amazon, we will see what happens.