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Title: Cheap bikes
Post by: Mick_J on Wednesday, 07 December 2022, 08:54 PM
Oxford has announced a lockdown on travel, there can be no travel outside your own street so there will a shit load of bikes coming up for sale in the Oxford area soon.  :whistling:
Title: Re: Cheap bikes
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Thursday, 08 December 2022, 05:14 AM
Quote from: mjgt on Wednesday, 07 December  2022, 08:54 PM
Oxford has announced a lockdown on travel, there can be no travel outside your own street so there will a shit load of bikes coming up for sale in the Oxford area soon.  :whistling:

I just had to Google that. I thought it was about Covid Lockdown, apparently not!

That really needs to be stamped out before other idiot councils get on the bandwagon.
Title: Re: Cheap bikes
Post by: Hooli on Thursday, 08 December 2022, 05:32 AM
So did I, it's just a continuation of council policy for decades to stop anyone getting near town centres & then complaining all the shops have shut. It needed stamping out fifty years ago.
Title: Re: Cheap bikes
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Thursday, 08 December 2022, 08:48 AM
Quote from: Hooli on Thursday, 08 December  2022, 05:32 AM
So did I, it's just a continuation of council policy for decades to stop anyone getting near town centres & then complaining all the shops have shut. It needed stamping out fifty years ago.

Our little country town centre is always busy, I can normally park right outside the little Supermarket, Post Office, Bank, Chip Shop, Chemists,Butchers, Hardware store, Vets, tyre fitters front door, or if not quite near by. It's busy at times but only due to lots of customers coming and going.

If I go into the nearest city I never shop central. I'd end up walking miles and driving in circles trying to get in and out of find a space.  I only go to the awful shopping centres or specific trade places.
Title: Re: Cheap bikes
Post by: Teufel on Thursday, 08 December 2022, 09:29 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/oxfordshire-county-council-respond-to-viral-article-claiming-oxford-is-going-into-climate-lockdown/ar-AA14Zyd0


:facepalm:
Title: Re: Cheap bikes
Post by: Teufel on Thursday, 08 December 2022, 11:03 AM
Dec 5, 2022 4:47:32 PM
Oxfordshire County Council approved plans for climate lockdowns.

There is no evidence that such measures are being planned. The measure in question is intended to reduce traffic.

Context

New measures passed by Oxfordshire County Council have raised concern among some commentators, who have characterized its plans as sanctioning "climate lockdowns."

Variations of this claim have been made on social media and numerous fringe news sites recently. In one video posted to Facebook, a speaker tells viewers, "Oxfordshire county council pass lockdown trial to begin in 2024 to save the planet. Can you imagine that? Residents will be confined to their local neighborhood and have to ask for permission to leave it in order to save the planet."

The speaker tells viewers that 5G technology will be used to enforce future lockdowns and that the COVID-19 pandemic was a hoax to get the public used to restrictions.

In Fact

Oxfordshire County Council is not planning to introduce "climate lockdowns" and has approved no measures to this effect. Proponents of this claim have misinterpreted the passage of a series of measures intended to reduce road traffic in the city of Oxford.

Passed last week, the measures introduced by the council involve six traffic filters throughout the city. These will operate during peak times, during which drivers passing through without a permit or exemption will be charged a £70 fine.

The purpose of these measures is to reduce the number of cars on roads and promote more sustainable methods of travel. They will come into force in 2024. A series of other measures are being planned by the council that are intended to reduce the need for travel by car.

Commenting on the purported benefits of this scheme, Zuhura Plummer, Campaign Director at Oxfordshire Liveable Streets, told the BBC, "the official analysis of the scheme found that it will mean 35% less traffic, road casualties down 9%, rush hour buses running 15% quicker and air pollution down at 91% of locations."

While Oxfordshire County Council's plans have received opposition from some residents on reasonable grounds, there is no evidence that they are sanctioning "climate lockdowns" or any similarly draconian measures. 

The Verdict

Oxfordshire County Council is not planning to enforce "climate lockdowns." It has instead passed measures to reduce road traffic. This claim has therefore been marked as false.
Title: Re: Cheap bikes
Post by: VladTepes on Thursday, 08 December 2022, 02:10 PM
What utter government bullshit!

QuoteA series of other measures are being planned by the council that are intended to reduce the need for travel by car.

Such measures don't IN ANHY WAY reduce the NEED to travel by car. they just reduce the possibility.
Wee all know that (unless you live in London) Public Transport is shit, and will never be as convenient or timed when you need to travel, or get you where you actually need to go.

Any 'improvements' in public transport which governments / councils claim to be making are always a  good 10 years AFTER they implement these anti-car measures.

I'll bet all the money I have that council vehicles and councilors' own cars will have a 'permit' or 'exemption' allowing them to travel freely.

Title: Re: Cheap bikes
Post by: Teufel on Thursday, 08 December 2022, 11:52 PM
Isn't anybody paying attention?

I find it so hard to believe that the intelligent members of this site/forum would believe this shit.

Or is the joke on me?

Variations of this claim have been made on social media and numerous fringe news sites recently.

there is no evidence that they are sanctioning "climate lockdowns" or any similarly draconian measures. 

I don't understand why anyone would actually believe this crap.

Look forward to hearing from anyone who has posted thus far.
Although I have a sneaking suspicion mjgt might be having a chuckle.
Title: Re: Cheap bikes
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Friday, 09 December 2022, 06:07 AM
Quote from: Teufel on Thursday, 08 December  2022, 11:52 PM

I don't understand why anyone would actually believe this crap.


I'm guessing you haven't made many trips into London and been charged each time or had to pick which vehicle was going to be charged higher or lower ?

Several places are looking to adopt the £15 / $27 a day fee or restrict vehicle access.

If the story is fake it's not entirely removed from what some locations have planned.


In my defence, I don't think there's any danger of me being considered "an intelligent member of this site/forum"
Title: Re: Cheap bikes
Post by: VladTepes on Friday, 09 December 2022, 12:19 PM
@Teufel  yeah its really about banning  cars from certain areas for climate and congestion reasons. not lockdowns that's just a bit of... hyperbole at best.
Title: Re: Cheap bikes
Post by: froudy on Friday, 09 December 2022, 06:17 PM
Bristol along with other cities in the UK has introduced a Clean Air Zone (CAZ) whereby certain vehicles are charged £9 to enter and drive in the zone.
I drive a 2007 Vauxhall Astra VXR which is in a high Vehicle Excise Duty tax band due to high emissions of C02.

Not that I ever really drive in any of these zones anyway, but, my car does not qualify to pay any CAZ charges in the UK. It makes a bit of a mockery of the whole system to be honest :rofl2:

It was nice to see the smug "I'm saving the planet" smiles knocked off EV drivers faces in the UK when the government announced that they would be paying "Road tax" from April 2025.
Title: Re: Cheap bikes
Post by: frenchgixxer on Friday, 09 December 2022, 10:57 PM
Quote from: Teufel on Thursday, 08 December  2022, 11:52 PM
Isn't anybody paying attention?

I find it so hard to believe that the intelligent members of this site/forum would believe this shit.

Or is the joke on me?

Variations of this claim have been made on social media and numerous fringe news sites recently.

there is no evidence that they are sanctioning "climate lockdowns" or any similarly draconian measures. 

I don't understand why anyone would actually believe this crap.

Look forward to hearing from anyone who has posted thus far.
Although I have a sneaking suspicion mjgt might be having a chuckle.

Not sure if YOU'RE having a chuckle or not? The Oxford neighbourhood car restriction, from 2024, is being sold as reducing the need to drive - for "environmental reasons". Whether its directly related to the weather bollox is moot but the effect is the same. From August 2023, unless Khan is stopped, the ALL of the greater London area (in effect up to the M25 orbital motorway) will become part of the "clean air zones" and all older cars will be financially penalised for driving into it. This, despite the fact that much of this area is green and not heavily congested, so air quality is not an issue. Its all part of the "get people out of cars so only the elite and rich can drive" agenda. By 2030, when electric dildo's are the norm, as ICE have been outright banned, THEY will, likewise, be controlled simply by software which will turn them on and permit use only when permitted. Look at Switzerland this winter who are going to restrict EV car use because of likely electricity shortages. Given time this agenda will be rolled out globally.
Title: Re: Cheap bikes
Post by: Tally on Monday, 12 December 2022, 02:09 AM
I live near oxford,  and the city centre is now a ZEZ (zero emission zone). I know this as I was trying to cut through oxford and ended going from one bypass to another making my journey longer and a waste of time. Although the car has been banned from the city centre for some time now it is still being blamed for the bad air in oxford, nothing to do with the increase of bus and taxi companies now operating to cope with the extra amount of foot traffic in and out of the city . Go figure!!!
Title: Re: Cheap bikes
Post by: Batkwaka on Monday, 12 December 2022, 08:30 AM
Quote from: Teufel on Thursday, 08 December  2022, 11:52 PM
Isn't anybody paying attention?

I find it so hard to believe that the intelligent members of this site/forum would believe this shit.

Or is the joke on me?

Variations of this claim have been made on social media and numerous fringe news sites recently.

there is no evidence that they are sanctioning "climate lockdowns" or any similarly draconian measures. 

I don't understand why anyone would actually believe this crap.

Look forward to hearing from anyone who has posted thus far.
Although I have a sneaking suspicion mjgt might be having a chuckle.

The thing is Teufel, these Councils will not tell you the truth which is why they cannot be trusted.
There was never any evidence that vaccines would stop Covid transmission but what were you told?
Initiating a complete ban would start with restrictions and you will be told it's saving puppies, kittens and children.
Always believe your parliamentarians are going to the extreme, because party politics has nothing to do with public welfare.