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Technically Speaking => General Technical discussion => Topic started by: VladTepes on Thursday, 25 August 2022, 07:15 PM

Title: Sudden no start
Post by: VladTepes on Thursday, 25 August 2022, 07:15 PM
Was working fine. Stopped for Thai.
Remounted. No go.
Just a rapid staccato sound like starter not engaging properly.
Not sure if starter itself or a cycling relay?

Fuel pump is priming no issue there.
No F1 message.

Help. Please.
Title: Re: Sudden no start
Post by: grog on Thursday, 25 August 2022, 07:17 PM
Battery?
Title: Re: Sudden no start
Post by: Hooli on Thursday, 25 August 2022, 07:36 PM
I'd start (see what I did there?) With the battery too. Then earth leads
Title: Re: Sudden no start
Post by: mlivkovich on Thursday, 25 August 2022, 09:42 PM
My battery died over night last year, everything was ok and one day it just died, no cranking, no lights. I learned that lesson after checking EVERY connector and wire on the bike :facepalm:
Next time I'll check battery first!
Title: Re: Sudden no start
Post by: Eric GSX1400K3 on Thursday, 25 August 2022, 11:02 PM
If still trying to crank or at least spin the starter, the battery would seem to be fine.  Wonder if you've stripped the starter pinion off the starter motor....
Title: Re: Sudden no start
Post by: KiwiCol on Friday, 26 August 2022, 04:34 AM
Battery Mike.  See if it starts with jumper leads (off a car or another bike)  if yes, you're a lucky man, you get to choose which new battery you'd like.
Title: Re: Sudden no start
Post by: mlivkovich on Friday, 26 August 2022, 06:01 AM
Disconect your battery and try another battery. Mine didn't want to start on car battery via jumper cables because my battery was dead and after whole day trying to find fault guess what? It started right on with another battery. :doh:
Title: Re: Sudden no start
Post by: gsxbarmy on Friday, 26 August 2022, 07:47 AM
If it is battery, then suggest fitting the heavy duty version of the Yuasa - standard battery is the YTX14-BS which has 200CCA, the heavy duty version is the YTX14H-BS with 240CCA. Gives better starting (esp in cold weather). Its what I've fitted as a replacement on my BMW for the standard battery, and its so much better - and only costs a few bucks more.
Title: Re: Sudden no start
Post by: VladTepes on Friday, 26 August 2022, 08:39 AM
It was the battery :)

Now does anyone know a good battery place in North brisbane?

My current (see what I did there) battery is a power vault MG-14BS which is 14Ah.
Title: Re: Sudden no start
Post by: KiwiCol on Friday, 26 August 2022, 05:41 PM
Give Grog a yell, he'll know.
Title: Re: Sudden no start
Post by: grog on Friday, 26 August 2022, 06:00 PM
Depends what sort, budget etc.
Title: Re: Sudden no start
Post by: grog on Friday, 26 August 2022, 06:32 PM
No experience with these. Tick all the boxes. Dont know freight cost. Id take a chance if i needed batt. Eric, maybe in Perth, not sure. https://itechworld.com.au/products/itech280ca-lithium-motorbike-battery-12v-stop-start-280amp-4ah?variant=40873388310683&currency=AUD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gclid=CjwKCAjw3qGYBhBSEiwAcnTRLjFF96h73ZWhFfM33n8Eajl9MDYYJwWJtOfPGtq_sfGqOq-R6TTfSRoCmfsQAvD_BwE
Title: Re: Sudden no start
Post by: Eric GSX1400K3 on Friday, 26 August 2022, 09:29 PM
Yes, Buswood Perth. I can ask around if needed, but I'm leaning towards the SSB lithium myself, reputable manufacturer and decent warranty.  Plus SSB are THE battery of choice for LR owners: 

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/184241435244?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-154756-20017-0&ssspo=xOoRoHOEQly&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=_M0J_4k6R_O&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

If you need I can find out a postage price to Brissy?
Title: Re: Sudden no start
Post by: grog on Saturday, 27 August 2022, 05:28 PM
Thanks Eric. My batt still good. Its actually Super Start Batt, SSB. Was a replacement for original, they replaced even though out of wrty.Been really good.  Theyve showed thru as good batts, can remember were budget Chinese batts, very cost effective. Cheap arse in other words.  New C Tek charger a good idea. Handy to take for car, bike, boat. Bloody expensive, unit is $400, not too bad. Solar panel another $500, far too much. Handy tool if in bush etc. If i was a boatie id have one as insurance. Worth a read. Stays charged 12 mths. https://www.ctek.com/au/battery-chargers-12v-24v/cs-free
Title: Re: Sudden no start
Post by: VladTepes on Monday, 29 August 2022, 10:01 AM
OK so I went to battery world (turns out one of the blokes I ride with sometimes is an exec there)
I got a replacement 'standard' Yuasa battery (The H version is not sold in Australia) at a decent discount.

Whacked the liquid in and will fit later today.
Title: Re: Sudden no start
Post by: KiwiCol on Monday, 29 August 2022, 01:24 PM
Don't you have to charge those "fill before use" ones?  Only done a couple of those, but thought it was best to slow charge them overnight?
Title: Re: Sudden no start
Post by: Speedy1959 on Monday, 29 August 2022, 04:20 PM
Quote from: KiwiCol on Monday, 29 August  2022, 01:24 PM
Don't you have to charge those "fill before use" ones?  Only done a couple of those, but thought it was best to slow charge them overnight?

I thought the same as you Col
Title: Re: Sudden no start
Post by: grog on Monday, 29 August 2022, 06:12 PM
Correct Blokes. Fill acid, let it sit, preferably overnight, soaks the plates. Then charge it. If not charged, batt will only be working at lesser level, will seem ok but not at 100% Just how it is.
Title: Re: Sudden no start
Post by: Mick_J on Monday, 29 August 2022, 07:32 PM
All batteries in the UK have to be pre-filled before sale (unless you have a license).  This came about because of some arseholes started taking battery acid to parties and squirting it on people.  You can't make this stuff up.  :confused1:
Title: Re: Sudden no start
Post by: KiwiCol on Monday, 29 August 2022, 08:00 PM
I heard a while ago assholes used to steal truck batteries to get the acid out of them, they use it to make P or meth or something like that.

Squirting it on people at a party?  why?  presumably they didn't like the people at the party, so why go? oh yeah, to squirt acid on them.   :confused1:   Einsteins!   :furious:  What you guys doing with that Gene Pool over there?  Time for a major cull I reckon.     Mick, Froudy & Hooli, you're in charge. . . :onya:   You'll need a mascot, so take Notty with ya!
Title: Re: Sudden no start
Post by: VladTepes on Tuesday, 30 August 2022, 03:54 PM
Quote from: grog on Monday, 29 August  2022, 06:12 PM
Correct Blokes. Fill acid, let it sit, preferably overnight, soaks the plates. Then charge it. If not charged, batt will only be working at lesser level, will seem ok but not at 100% Just how it is.

OK didn't think of that - I have a battery / trickle charger i assume that will do the job?
Title: Re: Sudden no start
Post by: KiwiCol on Tuesday, 30 August 2022, 05:43 PM
Yup