A good while ago I started a thread about the seat and how it must be Suzuki's sense of humor on display. Not just Suzuki though, all bikes seem to suffer from crappy seat design, there mustn't be any money in it for the manufactures?
I spent $500 on getting the seat redone and while it is an improvement and it certainly looks the goods I'm still unhappy about all the arse pain.
As I did with my Suzuki Bandit, I have decided to make my own bloody seat, this being a new improved version, be that as it may it will still look slightly on the crappy side but, if I can alleviate the pain I don't really care what it looks like, I'm at the point now where I'd rather give up riding altogether than put up with it any more.
I've learnt a few things about bike seats during the journey, short of bolting on a Lazy Boy lounge chair to the bike, it's nigh on impossible to have a bike seat that is "comfortable" for any length of time IMHO.
My solution is to "craft" :rolleyes: a piece of plywood into the shape you want, this is for the rider only, and then cut most of it out leaving about 2" of ply around the perimeter, then from underneath, screw with washers, straps of about 1" tiedown material across the hole both sideways and front to back, 3 or 4 each way, then you need a "good" piece of foam that has enough stiffness to give about 80% support, that is to say, if you put it on a piece of wood and sat on it, you'd still hit the wood with your arse but you'd have maybe 80% support.
With the hole cut out and the strap support in place I think this is about as good as you can get comfort wise. This will give a little as you sit on it so you don't need rock hard foam.
The tradeoff, there's always a tradeoff, is that the remaining 2" seat frame can cut into your legs, this is why you "need" a good quality piece of solid foam.
I have mine pretty much finished, still need to cover it but the latest test ride was extremely positive. I actually forgot about my arse while riding, imagine that.
If anyone's interested I can post some pics in the near future. I have also made a rear piece that connects via the seat lock and also locks into place via the 2 hooks on the frame, it's very solidly mounted and looks quite good, I have plans to experiment with the same idea for the rear by adding another section about an inch higher and cutting the guts out of that like the rider's seat but haven't got around to it yet, I figure if I "need" to take a pillion I can put the arse killer back on but I'm optimistic the rear can be made just as comfortable as the front.
Here are some pics, just fitted a rough black material cover. Other pics show the underside with the straps, the rear underside and how it looks on the bike. Still need to experiment with the rear but it's coming along.
From the underside pic of the front seat you can see there is a tongue that fits under the tank to lock it in at the front.
Yeah I know, work of art :smoke:
I have a theory that the bigger, wider and softer the seat is, the more uncomfortable it becomes over a long distance. Back in the day when seats were narrower i dont recall this being an issue.
Maybe the entire riding position needs reviewing, ie. Moving bars forward just enough to shift body weight on the seat, for example?
My old standard Bandit 12's seat was crippling at anything more than 70miles, yet i could ride my 'Blade all day without a hint of discomfort! :whistling:
Bandit seat the worst ever. Time will tell how well this one goes, so far it's better than what's been on there with the rock hard foam.
The easiest way to improve seat comfort is to put a piece of gravel in each sock before putting your boots on.
Focuses the mind away from your arse :onya:
Riding better roads fixes the seat.
I only find it uncomfy after long rides on straight roads. If it's twisty & I'm moving about a bit on the bike it's comfy all day.
Perhaps its your arse ? :rofl2:
Quote from: Notty on Monday, 13 December 2021, 06:58 PM
Perhaps its your arse ? :rofl2:
I do believe you said the same thing in my other thread about the seat, you may be right though because I never had this problem back in the 70s.
Quote from: Hooli on Monday, 13 December 2021, 06:58 PM
Riding better roads fixes the seat.
I only find it uncomfy after long rides on straight roads. If it's twisty & I'm moving about a bit on the bike it's comfy all day.
Nic you sure you're not sitting on your wallet :stir:
I'm kinda with you Hooli. Fortnight ago rode off the Cook Straight ferry fully loaded with kit at 12.15pm rode in the gate 500kms later at 7.00pm only stopped twice for gas, a drink and a bite to eat. Took a moment to get off the bike I have say but I'd become reasonably bike fit in the two weeks I'd been away. Bugger all motorway riding.
Nic, stock seat terrible.Had mine changed yrs ago. 600ks not a problem, add our sheepskins, strap on in a few minutes, ride forever. No sore spots at all
Always liked the look of your seat Grog.
And the sheepskins would make you feel at home :laugh:
Sorry Col, dishing up lamb chops. Yum
Quote from: grog on Monday, 13 December 2021, 07:22 PM
Nic, stock seat terrible.Had mine changed yrs ago. 600ks not a problem, add our sheepskins, strap on in a few minutes, ride forever. No sore spots at all
Yes mate, I had mine done by Mick at MJM in Goulburn, an improvement but no cigar, Notty's probably right, it must be my old soft arse just ain't up to the task any more :cry2:
I find most modern bike seats are uncomfortable which I believe is caused by the manufacturers making the front of the seat very low and narrow so that short arses can fit on their bikes. I find you always slide forward and end up sitting on your knackers and bashing the tank. I usually have the front of the seat raised and widened and that solves the problem for me anyway.
Some people swear by these.
I'm looking at trying one
https://www.airhawk.com.au/
Quote from: Eric GSX1400K3 on Tuesday, 14 December 2021, 01:03 AM
Some people swear by these.
I'm looking at trying one
https://www.airhawk.com.au/
I found that the air hawks only work on a firm base and the 14 foam isn't hard enough to support it, it just ended up a squished mess, firmer foam is the answer.
Quote from: Eric GSX1400K3 on Tuesday, 14 December 2021, 01:03 AM
Some people swear by these.
I'm looking at trying one
https://www.airhawk.com.au/
Yeah I ain't one of em. Tried it on 4 bikes with the same result, hot poo cushion.
Well I just got back from a 170K ride, it's amazing how something can feel good in the shed but out on the road it's a different matter.
The tradeoff I spoke about at the beginning of this thread, ie, the cutting into the legs, yes well it is now official, this seat is just plain NO GOOD.
The problem as I see it is simple, when you sit on a chair of any kind, you don't just sit on your balls and arse bones, there is usually plenty of chair under the back of the upper thighs thereby taking a LOT of pressure off the problem area.
How to solve this on a bike is beyond me, I just plain GIVE THE F*** UP.
I've been wrestling with this problem since 2013 when I came back to riding, bugs, shit roads, cagers, coppers, wind noise and arse pain, have I left anything out, I tell ya good people, I've had a gutful o the whole farking caper. I'm 68 in Feb n right now I'm thinking maybe it's time to hang up the leathers. Of course I could just be talkin outta my arse.
I so much would love to ride around Australia but that's just not going to happen :furious:
Hardly Movingtons have comfy seats as do Gold Wings & Rocket3s, just sayin . . .
Perhaps look these up
@Nic https://www.adventuremoto.com.au/spt-moto-skiveez-sport-skiveez
Nic, no giving up Mate. Maybe what GSX suggested, heaps of diff types, not all cost $100 plus. I would try sheepskin. Get a sheepskin, 25 mm, i made up straps to hold, not difficult. Cover whole seat. Next, as i did, get sheepskin overlays. They come with straps to fit. Such a difference. Ill search for a link if you want. Overlays are just enough to fit under your bum, gives you 50 mm of wool to sit on, eventually shapes to your arse. Worth a try mate.
Don't give up Nic, I'm sure there's a solution somewhere. Have you tried going to a motor retriever and getting them to custom shape the foam for you and retrieve the seat? There was a thread on here where it was done DIY with great results. I intend to do mine one day, need 50 to 75mm extra foam at the front, sloping up to the tank to make it better.
https://www.bikebiz.com.au/products/good-wool-solo-black-sheepskin-seat-pad
Quote from: grog on Tuesday, 14 December 2021, 06:59 PM
https://www.bikebiz.com.au/products/good-wool-solo-black-sheepskin-seat-pad
50% the cost of the airhawk inflatable poo bags....
Eric, once tried air hawk, just nothing i liked. sort of like sitting on pumped up plastic bag, they do soften etc but weird feeling. Double layer sheep is way different. They just eventually fit to you, you can tell i like them. My seat also a great seat, that helps.
Cheers Grog
I had mine sculptured / levelled out, had an XL gel insert added while they were at it. Then put the mesh net over the top. Works well & not so much a PIA now.
I got the Gel insert off E-Bay, came from USA if I recall rightly, it's very similar stuff to the wrist supports you used to get for using a mouse etc. The seat mesh, that lifts you a bit & allows air under for cooling and a softer ride.
One of my quads had one on when I brought it, not used one previously & was amazed at how comfy & better that seat was compared to the seat on the other quad. (Very similar seats on both bikes, 400YFM & a 700YFM. I liked it so much I did some digging & found them on E-Bay as well, cheap too, so I ordered one for the GSX, all good, no regrets here & the cover is still on there.
Here's a link to show you what they look like, think xxl might be the right size for our seat too, can't recall, but the measurments and instructions on how to measure are there. Might be an XL now I think of it. I know you want it tight on the seat, else it'd probably feel weird.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/303827081888
Thanks for the suggestions and encouragement not to give up, I fear it is all in vain though. I won't go on about how unenjoyable the whole riding experience is, the brain wants to ride but I get home after a ride and I just think it's unenjoyable in the most part for any number of reasons. New roads would improve the situation but that becomes a whole day out or even more.
My seat was redo shortly after I got the bike almost 2 years ago now by MJM in Goulburn, see pic. At first I though it was good because it's better than the stock seat but over time, old man arse pain has taken control again. To have a gel pad fitted and whatever else would be another $500.
I have tried the poo cushion, still have it, still thinking I'll find a use for it one day, also have a bead cover like taxi drivers use, it was pretty good on the triumph sprint but not an any of the other bikes I've had in the 8 years since returning to riding, it's just hard, looks good though. The least drama seat was one I made out of a piece of ply and some pretty hard foam for the Bandit, but after a 200K ride I could hardly walk when I got off the bike. It's old, very old and I don't see any light at the end of the abyss. I have a really nice 2" thick piece of sheepskin but really Grog, with all due respect mate, I don't see it as the answer.
I have one more card to play n that's it, that is to put higher handle bars on, this will require longer clutch and brake hoses, probably a hundred bucks at least, this would put more arse on the seat, might be ok, I don't ever see a complete remedy though. I'm pretty bummed out right now if I may be afforded a small pun, will look into longer hoses and see what's out there. Thanks again.
They make handlebar lifters with offset backwards too
@Nic check on FleaBay :whatever:
Thanks mate, turns out I have an as new Kwaka Z1 handlebar here, I like the style of it too, I've already welded in the 5mm nuts for the bar ends, just need to order hoses, I have pulled the tank and found the clutch hose to be around 1.4metre, I think 100mil extra on both hose n it should be the charm. I never liked the look of the stock bars so good idea to put in the kwaka ones I reckon.
Nic, ive had 30 mm risers on without any hose changes.
Too late, just ordered my hoses, the bars while only having maybe 2" extra rise have a pull back of another 2" and are probably another 2" wider.
Sorry for all the imperial numbers, old habit.
Thanks for the info though mate, it wasn't easy getting hoses from Aust that didn't require you to donate a kidney. Hopefully they arrive before the silly season.
I don't think 30mil riser with the same bars would straighten me up that much and the new bars will look killer too. I'll def post a pic when they are on. :onya:
Arse saver bars, na, no such thing, however, the higher wider bars are fitted.
I went on a 50k ride out in the bugs, wind and potholes, plenty of sticks on the Araluen mountain because of the huge windy day yesterday, nothing like a skip to the left every now n then.
There are many positives to come out of the new bars though, wind noise is a little better due to the more upright position, the mirrors have improved no end due to the extra width, the bike steers quite a bit easier, in fact I found myself accelerating mid corner to straighten the bike up, I'll get used to it.
The more upright position is very nice and you do get a "little" less dramas re the arse end, I like how the rise in the pillion seat now is a nice backstop when throttling hard, I never had that before.
I found myself throttling hard more than usual, honeymoon period no doubt.
The bars don't look anything fantastic due to all the clutter with the master cylinders, hand guards, Oxford controller, gear indicator and the Mickey mouse ear mirrors, which I don't mind really, prefer them to the stock ones.
It's quite a bit more comfortable to ride now although I know after approx 200Ks my arse will still be crying, I put it down to old age, old prick should know better.
Here's a pic, cheers.
They look good Nic, I'd love to have a try with that setup.
Thanks Col, well the bars are for a Kwaka Z1 from the 70s, not the modern caper, I've only recently sold my 76 Z900 and while I was cruising along this morning I thought the bike now feels pretty much like a Z1 but of course with the way more powerful engine, er, handling is probably better as well, the ride is certainly softer/smoother on the 1400, well alright, it's nothing like the old Z1 is it but the point is the bike is much nicer on the hiway, I'm sure around town will be an improvement as well, I always thought this bike was a bit heavy/hesitant going into slow corners around town at 20kph n such so the extra bar length has improved that.
I've wanted to change out the stock bars since I got the bike 2 years ago but never did. As it turned out the stock clutch hose was long enough, I gave it a good reef and to my surprise I got another 3 inches or so, no drama as the longer clutch hose I ordered only cost $20, the brake hose I got for it is from the Z1 parts seller in Tasmania, cost around $60 with express postage. It's just a stock rubber hose measuring 570mil, the original one being around 400mil, there is a little bit extra hose but it tucks nicely behind the headlight. The throttle cables were just long enough if you rotate them to come in under the bars instead of over as stock. Swapping out the brake cable was the worst part of it, I really hate brake fluid, it's my least favorite liquid, Bourbon being my most favorite followed closely by Coke, bleeding was a drama too until I removed the calipers and with a screw driver opened up the pads, I had instant lever after that but still had the bleed both sides 3 or 4 more times to be sure.
The guy at Z1 spares has the exact bars if you're interested, https://www.z1spares.com.au/online-store/handle-bars-Kawasaki-Z1-Z-KZ-900-Standard-Handlebars-p54927145 (https://www.z1spares.com.au/online-store/handle-bars-Kawasaki-Z1-Z-KZ-900-Standard-Handlebars-p54927145)
The front brake hose here https://www.z1spares.com.au/online-store/Honda-kawasaki-brake-Hose-570mm-p54764064 (https://www.z1spares.com.au/online-store/Honda-kawasaki-brake-Hose-570mm-p54764064)
You'll need 5 x 10mil copper crush washers, I also drilled the holes for the switch locating tabs, just measured from the stock bars, much better than grinding off the tabs IMO.
If you have the stock bars and you would like to go a bit higher, this is the go I reckon. The only other thing is if you want to keep your bar ends you need to weld a 5mm nut onto a washer X 2, then grind the washer down to fit tight in the end of the bars then tack weld them in x 4, pretty easy if you have a welder. I have one of those cheap gasless mig welders just for small jobs like this.
The easiest thing to do is get your arse over here n you can have a ride :cheers:
@Nic I'd call them mini ape hangers from your pic. :stir: :stir: If it helps you to ride longer distance with changed seating position :onya: :onya: :onya:
Quote from: GSXKING on Monday, 20 December 2021, 04:50 PM
@Nic I'd call them mini ape hangers from your pic. :stir: :stir: If it helps you to ride longer distance with changed seating position :onya: :onya: :onya:
I don't know if it will give me more mileage but it's a far better ride for me, like getting a new bike, much better ride. Yeah they look pretty high in the pic but you sit on the bike, they don't feel as high as they look.
Anyway, I searched for threads about higher bars but could only find people putting lower Renthal Schmenthals on so no surprise I get comments like that :P
Nic, did endless miles on old Z1 back in the day. Only owned one but borrowed many, sidecar version also. Never realised bars were so high. Just what i forget. Best bars ive come across, mid 80s 250/400 Yams. Nice rise put pull back at ends. Perfect. Ive tried to buy a set for 14,never had luck. Had them on Darmah for over ten yrs, shouldve kept them. Might even have another look tonight.
grog - agreed re. the Z1/RD bars being comfortable, though my old (standard) Z1`s bars we`re only good for a relatively short distance at high speed due to the `wind buffeting` factor.
I wonder whether fitting `retro` bars to an entirely different bike would work though, because surely the bars fitted have to match the overall geometry of the bike and the riders stature? What works on one wouldn`t neccessarily work on another.
To be honest, I don`t recall having any comfort issues with the older bikes so what`s gone wrong with seat manufacture over recent years goodness knows.......or is it simply a case that our arses are much older? :bugga:
Hi
@Nic I fancied the idea of fitting Z1 style bars to mine sometime ago, nice to see you took the plunge looks good to me :onya:
https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=4980.0
In case anyone is interested, `Z-Power` are one of the best sources of classic Kawa parts in the UK. :whistling:
I just got back from a 180k round trip, it was a little windy, I didn't once think the wind was worse with the higher bars, in fact the more upright position is quieter as far as my rotten old ear tell me. I have no intension of removing the Z bars, I like em :mwink:
@Milts, well mate, I think I've answered all the questions from your previous thread, cheers.
Hi,
Newbie to the forum. Considering uograding to a 1400 and seat comfort is always a priority, so have read through the thread and picked up a few good ideas, thanks.
One option I didn't see mentioned - have heard of some riders wearing padding bicycling shorts under their normal riding pants as another layer of potential comfort. One downside, as all cyclists know, is that the extra padding in the shorts takes some getting used to when walking around off the bike. As I heard one friend once comment on first trying them, 'it feels like I've crapped my pants!' :)
Quote from: j_rider on Tuesday, 21 December 2021, 05:05 PM
Hi,
Newbie to the forum. Considering upgrading to a 1400 and seat comfort is always a priority, so have read through the thread and picked up a few good ideas, thanks.
One option I didn't see mentioned - have heard of some riders wearing padding bicycling shorts under their normal riding pants as another layer of potential comfort. One downside, as all cyclists know, is that the extra padding in the shorts takes some getting used to when walking around off the bike. As I heard one friend once comment on first trying them, 'it feels like I've crapped my pants!' :)
Welcome to the Forum J, see post #20.
DP, never ridden 1975 XS650 Yam. If theyd put nails in seat wouldve been better. Changed seat, one of my best bikes.
Quote from: GSXKING on Tuesday, 14 December 2021, 01:56 PM
Perhaps look these up @Nic https://www.adventuremoto.com.au/spt-moto-skiveez-sport-skiveez
@j_rider previously mentioned. Welcome to the forum bud :onya: :onya:
Hiya
@j_rider I've heard the same I do know folks who were the padded cycling shorts on long trips .
P.s. head over to the bar say say hello :cheers:
Good to have another new member who engages with post.
😎
Has anyone tried these?
I've had a couple of pairs now, really comfortable.
Been across france, Switzerland, Italy on our 1400.
Not had any problems with soreness.
I would recommend having a look.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Moto-Skiveez-Motorcycle-comfort-pants-Adventure-/122401510735?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=710-127635-2958-0
Wow, 54 quid for a pair of nickers :facepalm:
Quote from: GSXKING on Tuesday, 21 December 2021, 09:12 PM
Quote from: GSXKING on Tuesday, 14 December 2021, 01:56 PM
Perhaps look these up @Nic https://www.adventuremoto.com.au/spt-moto-skiveez-sport-skiveez
Well after doing a bit of research I decided I'll give em a try. Adventuremoto seams the only place in Oz the get them and they only have size S in the Adventure style. Missed it by that much.
I've asked them to notify me when they get more in.
Nic didn't that Kardigashian tart have some arse implants......might prove more comfy than padded knickers and a diaper for the more senior gentlemen. :facepalm:
Quote from: Kiwifruit on Wednesday, 22 December 2021, 05:22 PM
Nic didn't that Kardigashian tart have some arse implants......might prove more comfy than padded knickers and a diaper for the more senior gentlemen. :facepalm:
Yep, sounds good mate :)
Nic, the Skivveez get all the ticks, hope it solves your prob. My latest prob is hip cramps, they sure hurt. 66 yrs doesnt help, just started some suggested stretches to help me.
It don't get no easier the older you get that's fer sure.
Compound exercises will help with both joint mobility and muscle tension. Deadlifts and squats will help your hips and quads/glutes so you have muscles to sit on :hat:
Oh great, squats, you can phone them in, my least desirable activity. I must have done 50 of em bleeding the brakes the other day, couldn't walk for 3 days, yeah yeah, need to do em every day, but I ain't no young'n no more. I try to avoid squats like the plague.
Please don't tell me this is why my arse is so piss weak on the bike, probable is though :cry2:
Quote from: grog on Wednesday, 22 December 2021, 07:12 PM
Nic, the Skivveez get all the ticks, hope it solves your prob. My latest prob is hip cramps, they sure hurt. 66 yrs doesnt help, just started some suggested stretches to help me.
Hip cramped, yep that's me too grog, bloody painful.
Gotta be an age thing, as I get that on occasion as well, right in the ball joint. Few movements & straighten up (leg out forward) often will 'reset' it & I can get on with it.
Bump up this old thread.
I had a K6 1400 10 years ago, now last month I bought a clean K2. Had its first decent ride today, about 200k. I was getting a bit sore towards the end.
The seat design, the only comfy way I can ride it is to sit partially on the fuel tank. If I sit back the seats forward angle pushes my pants forward crushing my tackle. My old K6 had sone mod done by the original owner but I cannot remember what it was.
My dad who is 72 had a ride and said the same thing 'lovely bike, shit seat design'.
Are there any hacks to raise the front seat 1 or 2 cm?
My other bike is an ugly Yamaha Tdm 900 and although the seat is more narrow and firmer I can ride it all day without a issue..
Yeah Mate, stock is terrible. Had mine redone, ride all day.
Here's a pic (not very good admittedly) of mine. I had it re-sculptured flatter with a Gel insert for extra padding. Later added a mesh cover as well.
(https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/gallery/0/5-190818134828.jpeg)
and another one . . .
(https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/gallery/0/5-280318184526.jpeg)
Coopz where are you based ?
I use John Moorhouse in Brisbane he's a seat fixing legend around these parts 👍👍
My bike has a John Moorhouse seat on it which is pretty damn good. I haven't ridden a genuine seat one but have heard they are not great.
I anyone wants to experience possibly the WORST factory seat Suzuki has to offer - get your bum on a standard DR650. Fark...
It's been heavily criticised since the bike was first released and here we are what 20 years later and they haven't changed it.
There's a really good aftermarket scene for DR650 seats unsurprisingly.
A mate worked in a dealership for many years, he always said Japanese bike manufacturers made seats that were designed to be comfortable for 30 minutes as that was the maximum test ride 90% of buyers would usually go on.
Ah well they missed the mark on the DR650 seat by a good 27 minutes then.
My seats an original and you're right it is uncomfortable after a while , my problem is that I slide forward and my boxers turn into tighty whities and pressed up against the tank becomes painful. My solution is that I have an inflatable seat pad I can use which helps me stay in one place and secondly it raises the seat height a couple of inches helping my knees out. One day I will get round to having the seat raised so it's level across front and rear.
You must all be strange, I find the standard seat fine. Ok I've recovered it when it split, in a different material but it's the normal shape. Biggest difference is the new material is a touch more grippy so I slide about less.
Can't remember what it is, I got it off ebay about 6 years ago.
Hooli, your arse has spent so much time on that seat it's conformed to the shape of it. :onya:
I tend to sit a couple of inches back a bit ,sort of on the start of the hump. It eases the knees a bit too.
I'm long in the arms and pretty normaL at 6' lol. :hat:
Quote from: KiwiCol on Tuesday, 07 November 2023, 03:47 AMHooli, your arse has spent so much time on that seat it's conformed to the shape of it. :onya:
I can't remember if it's the 2nd or 3rd one on my bike tbh. 2nd I think, as the first split & I left it too long so the foam got water damaged. Hence I recovered this one as soon as the cover failed.
Well seeing as this thread has been reignited, I eventually bought the padded cycle shorts, complete joke, I wasn't surprised but was desperate so thought I'd try it.
So I didn't end up giving it all up, the higher bars have been the best thing for me, I can ride 200Ks with no probs, as long as I don't try n ride long hauls I just have to be happy with 200K rides.
For that distance I don't think of my arse at all now.
I still marvel at how much I love the 14, what a good bike. :cheers:
Like Hooil, I've never had a problem with my bog-standard seat either.
It may well be down to the build of the rider - height, weight etc. (no, I'm not being rude about anyone) as to how much load is shard by the hip bones and the good ol' gluteus maximus.
If comfort cannot be found in a seat unit it may be worth tinkering with the height of the bars as an experiment?
Had mine custom made buy Niklas Langen in Solingen Germany. Did it 10 years ago and still looks and sits like new.
Just slapped an Airhawk pad on for my trip to Whanganui. Will see how that goes. There next to no air in it so I shouldn't roll around.
Hoping it's fine for the racing , pissin down here in Levin xxxx
When I had the seat recovered for the blue&white bike I had the upholster to add 10mm of memory foam under the cover ontop of the original foam (50k miles old) and although it's very slightly higher its now mega comfy .
510000km on my '03's seat, maybe that's what I need to do, I reckon 15-20mm higher and a bit more give would make it perfect..
Have found the 'Airhawk' cushion to be pretty good. Now I've sorted it out. Need it like there is no air in it. Too much and you just roll around like you're on a swiss gym ball.