OK here we go again - yet another what chain? what sprockets? thread.
I want to keep existing ratios so standard socket teeth numbers.
SPROCKETS
1. Standard sprocket teeth F/R?
2. Do people use the stock Suzuki OEM front sprocket? I've heard that's gentler than the after market ones due to the rubber.
3. What's a good brand of rear sprocket, and does it matter?
4. Replace sprocket carrier bearing? If so, what part number etc?
CHAIN
5. Chain brands to purchase? (and specs)
6. Chain brands to avoid?
7. Is there a decent chain available with red side links?
I'd prefer products available locally rather than requiring import.
I know I've asked some / most of this before... Just asking again in case anything has changed.
from reading other threads here I gather that:
3. supersprox
5. DID, EK
eg DID 530 ZVM-X
I buy the cheapest DID X-ring and whatever sprockets it comes with off eBay. It's always the chain the dies first for me, but that's due to winter use.
Always replace the sprocket carrier bearing and seal, if you're lucky it'll last as long as the chain.
62/32 2 RS is carrier bearing. Dont know seal number. Will think about where i got last one.
I got seal from Suzuki $16.00, probably just go to bearing shop, theyll match it and also have bearing.
I go in the local bearing place & say 'one each of these please', the seal is a few quid.
I'm pretty sure the seal is 39mm x 65mm x 7mm
This is a UK link, but it lists the size https://www.wemoto.com/bikes/suzuki/gsx_1400_k2/02/picture/wheel_-_rear_-_oil_seal_-_left
I never found it necessary to renew the sprocket carrier bearing at every chain/sprocket change. I always checked it and had a spare on the shelf just in case though. I replaced mine once over 50,000 miles of riding all year round in the UK.
As for chain and sprocket kits, I always used DID X-Ring and JT sprocket kits from Hunters Motorcycles on Ebay. Cost roughly £100 and lasted around 18,000 miles with regular maintenance. I know prices are a lot higher in Aus and NZ though.
There was someone on here living in Aus or NZ that used to get theirs shipped from the UK as it was still cheaper even with added postage costs.
This one would do the job if they ship abroad...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/D-I-D-JT-Chain-And-Sprocket-Kit-Set-Tool-Suzuki-GSX1400-K1-K8-01-08/192445091412?fits=UKM_Make%3ASuzuki&hash=item2cce9f0e54:g:1skAAOSwAQdgARkT
Ther you go Vlad, You wont beat Froudy deal. At least $100 dearer here.
I tend to use Hunters too, can't fault them for service.
Cost me around 300 for EK and supersprox kit locally, and it took a week or more to arrive so froudys kit would save $ 50 and probably get here just as quick
Quote from: grog on Tuesday, 09 February 2021, 06:38 PM
62/32 2 RS is carrier bearing. Dont know seal number. Will think about where i got last one.
All the sizes and part numbers here https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=197.0
Thanks all :)
Quote from: froudy on Tuesday, 09 February 2021, 07:56 PM
As for chain and sprocket kits, I always used DID X-Ring and JT sprocket kits from Hunters Motorcycles on Ebay. Cost roughly £100 and lasted around 18,000 miles with regular maintenance. I know prices are a lot higher in Aus and NZ though.
There was someone on here living in Aus or NZ that used to get theirs shipped from the UK as it was still cheaper even with added postage costs.
This one would do the job if they ship abroad...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/D-I-D-JT-Chain-And-Sprocket-Kit-Set-Tool-Suzuki-GSX1400-K1-K8-01-08/192445091412?fits=UKM_Make%3ASuzuki&hash=item2cce9f0e54:g:1skAAOSwAQdgARkT
OK I looked at price to get that shipped here - by simply changing to .com.au -
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/D-I-D-JT-Chain-And-Sprocket-Kit-Set-Tool-Suzuki-GSX1400-K1-K8-01-08/192445091412?fits=UKM_Make%3ASuzuki&hash=item2cce9f0e54:g:1skAAOSwAQdgARkT
Cost AUD $198 + postage AUD $60 = $258 add 10% for GST - likely landed cost AUD $284
Quote from: steve porter on Tuesday, 09 February 2021, 10:06 PM
Cost me around 300 for EK and supersprox kit locally, and it took a week or more to arrive so froudys kit would save $ 50 and probably get here just as quick
Saving probably closer to $20 based on current exchange rates.
How does the DID/JT combo stand up compared with the EK/supersprox combo - from a performance/wear perspective?
Quote from: froudy on Tuesday, 09 February 2021, 07:56 PM
As for chain and sprocket kits, I always used DID X-Ring and JT sprocket kits from Hunters Motorcycles on Ebay. Cost roughly £100 and lasted around 18,000 miles with regular maintenance.
I've just clicked on the figure in that, how on earth do you wear them out so quick? I get 30-50k per set.
How does the DID/JT combo stand up compared with the EK/supersprox combo - from a performance/wear perspective?
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I'll let you know in 30 K, or sooner if it wears out before that, must say that the Tutoro oiler is a pisser , so hopefully it will last even longer than that
Quote from: VladTepes on Wednesday, 10 February 2021, 02:31 PM
How does the DID/JT combo stand up compared with the EK/supersprox combo - from a performance/wear perspective?
I always use DID & get 30-50k miles (depending how often I clean the winter salt off), the chain goes before the sprockets everytime so I never bother what make the sprockets are.
As I've got the chain breaker and rivet tooling, this one is the one I'd go for, silent front sprocket too
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Suzuki-GSX1400-01-08-DID-JT-Quiet-Chain-And-Sprocket-Kit/192801823750
If you're an ebay plus member, shipping is free too
I'm in the market for a new set to. Question is do I go back to std ratios or stick with the current ratio 17/43 I've got now? I bought the bike with those ratios so don't know any different. Speedo is way out (optimistic) as a result.
Any thoughts?
That's a bit like asking what tyres to put on. :doh: Most guys here I'd say run a standard set up, but there are some who run a 19 front & 41 rear (I think Snapey ran a 19 front & 38 rear) & some who run a 17 front & 41 rear, yours at 17 / 43 would be revving way higher than most, and quite unnecessarily in my opinion, but, as you say, you got it like that & know no different. Each to their own, it's your ride, have it how you like it.
Personally if it were mine, I'd change back to std, if for nothing else other than to try it. Your economy will improve, but your take off's may be slightly down. These bikes have plenty of grunt, they don't need to be ringing themselves to get somewhere. (IMO) :onya:
Thanks KiwiCol, I did realise it was a loaded question.
Atm it's running at around 3200rpm at an indicated 100kmh, which I reckon is around 90-92kph actual road speed, so yes, overrevving a bit.
Take offs are good though. Fuel mileage is pretty good, never really think about it on the bike as that's not what i bought it for, but I agree with std gearing should see an improvement.
I'm yet to play with the ratio spreadsheet, but I'm leaning to going back to std.
There are a few calculators online, here's 1 & it shows your current setup as 10% (9.9) more torque & 10% (9.9) less top end. Just so you know what to expect with a change. Have a play with the ratios & see where you'd like to be.
https://sprocketcalculator.com/
Mine standard is 100 kph at 3k revs, same as everyones with stock gearing. Speedo shows just about 109. Next chain change thinking of going up one tooth on front. Same chain links required, Would increase speed by around 6%. Should make speedo almost accurate, cant imagine a lot of diff in acceleration.
@Snapey from memory that was your choice? Does that increase odometer reading by same amount? guess it must. Odometer is perfect at moment, .1% wrong according to gps. Not sure i want that to change.
Grog, the odo changes with the front sprocket. I had a 17 front on the Blue when I got it, the odo was out even though I put a speedo healer on it. Got the standard 18 back on it now. Same links, 106.
Odo changes with either sprocket, as does the speedo.
While we're on the subject of chains. I saw this yesterday. A neat simple idea as an alternative to a rivet or split link...
That's a neat and very simple solution to changing a chain, I will look into that when I need a new chain.
I'd be looking to thread lock those & I'd be concerned with clearances. I suspect they'd come rather close to the clutch slave carrier & the speedo pickup on a 14.
Quote from: Hooli on Friday, 05 March 2021, 08:10 PM
I'd be looking to thread lock those & I'd be concerned with clearances. I suspect they'd come rather close to the clutch slave carrier & the speedo pickup on a 14.
If you look at the bottom right final photo, you break the nuts off when tightened, so no clearance issues. :onya:
Quote from: froudy on Friday, 05 March 2021, 09:10 PM
Quote from: Hooli on Friday, 05 March 2021, 08:10 PM
I'd be looking to thread lock those & I'd be concerned with clearances. I suspect they'd come rather close to the clutch slave carrier & the speedo pickup on a 14.
If you look at the bottom right final photo, you break the nuts off when tightened, so no clearance issues. :onya:
Ahh I couldn't work out what that was showing, thanks.
Cool idea, but you'd be wondering that the torque on the threads holding them on is enough when the nut breaks off.
I'll stick with cold formed rivets for now.
I can't see what's left, but I know 'snap off' heads have been used to retain steering columns in cars for years. So they must work.
Bit the bullet and bought an RK 530 GSW gold x ring chain, jt front18t and jt rear 41t sprocket yesterday, am going to try standard gearing for a bit. Hiflo oil filter and gulf synertrex 3000 oil too. So some tlc planned for the 1402.
You won't know yourself Eric. New plush drivetrain and smoother gear changes. That will make a world of difference to how it rides.
Cheers Kiwifruit, she's not had a new chain since I bought her with 35000 ish km on the clock, shes now got 46000km showing. I regularly clean lube and adjust the chain, but figured time for new. Bit of play in the links on the rear sprocket and the teeth are getting that "cresting wave" look about them. I hope this gets rid of the last bit of roughness at low speeds. Went for the gold chain over the black as this looks trick. Hopefully find some time to fit up and test ride this weekend.