Bought a couple of stands for the bike, front one and rear one.
No issue with the front one since it connects below the center of the forks
Big issue with the rear one, for which a very good solution would be having chance to install lifts supports on swingarm.
Newer bikes have holes on swingarm in which you simply wire those little things and you simply hook the stand to them.
Any idea for our bike? Looking at her from the back, there is plenty of room on left for the stand hook, but right part, where the brake caliper is present, simply gives no chance for the stand to fit.
Thank you
You really only need to tap a couple of holes in the swing arm to suit the thread supplied but being thin aluminium I was concerned about strength. I mounted mine using thin metal nutserts but stupidly put them in line with the chain adjusting bolts. Put yours about 10mm below the centre line.
For insurance reasons I think you should not make changes like that, who knows what structural changes it could make i.e. stress cracks.
But we do want we want, I just use the various brackets that came with the stand.
I'll be fitting these
But I will not be drilling the swingarm I'll have a boss welded below the swingarm and fit to them .
My rear stand fits mine perfectly it has a couple of L shaped pads that sit under the swingarm,the only thing I have do is make sure the brake line doesn't foul and then lift.
Drilling the swing arm has been covered before, perhaps in the old forum? It was deemed not a wise move as it is hollow thin alloy? :bugga:
This is my swing arm - it has had 2 brackets welded to it with threaded holes that I have put bobbins on - it is wider that my paddock stand so back to my old one
Quote from: Tally on Saturday, 21 November 2020, 03:57 AM
My rear stand fits mine perfectly it has a couple of L shaped pads that sit under the swingarm,the only thing I have do is make sure the brake line doesn't foul and then lift.
I've nearly lost a couple of bikes using those L shaped pads. If you're not careful the bike slides if tightening say the axle nut. The bobbins are secure whether drilling the swing arm or welding on a lug.
Question ... What procedure would compromise the integrity of the aluminium more ... drilling an M10 hole for a nutsert or welding on a lug?
Quote from: Snapey on Saturday, 21 November 2020, 09:22 AM
Question ... What procedure would compromise the integrity of the aluminium more ... drilling an M10 hole for a nutsert or welding on a lug?
I'm glad you brought up that point Snapey because in my opinion there is no difference because it may have to be approved by a qualified engineer, as it is a modification to the chassis, as I said for insurance reason after the event.
I'd be having the boss welded where the brace meets the swingarm .
I think that'll be strong enough as will the swingarm . :cheers:
Has it got certification.
Interested in rear stand but not drilling or welding arm. Also not interested in sliding off L brackets. Would using a U type bracket under arm, maybe some rubber in it for packing be any good. I know nothing about paddock stands. The video someone posted about most of them being weak also concerns me. Which are good?
IMO bobbins are the best way to go. With the "U" shape of the nest the bike can't go forward, backwards or sideways because the bobbins are locked in place ... providing the bobbins are secure in their placement.
So Grog ... no drilling or welding eh! There are bobbin anchors made that are either part of the chain adjuster or attach in that area. They appear to locate when the axle nut is tightened. I'll have a look but I know I've seen photo's on here.
Edit ... I'm not sure if the back wheel can be removed with these things fitted.
Ive been using, both wheels out, centrestand for rear, jack with a bracket i made to then lift front. Open access to both ends. Seems stable. Not sure what a paddock stand would improve. Maybe better to have solid stand under front, in case jack dropped, it never has. Just wondering why i need a paddock stand. If better, will get one.
Perhaps he doesn't have a main stand, that's the only reason I can think of for having bobbins on the 14.
Quote from: Del on Saturday, 21 November 2020, 05:13 AM
This is my swing arm - it has had 2 brackets welded to it with threaded holes that I have put bobbins on - it is wider that my paddock stand so back to my old one
Looking very tidy Del
@bigian14 cheers mate its one of the best mods I have on the bike and after I got it from you I did the same modification to my bandit
Del
@mjgt I lost the centerstand when I fitted the akroprovic.
I still use the centerstand when doing maintainance just fit with the bolts but no spring.
:cheers:
There is a simple solution as shown in post #7 of the "Big Heavy Wobbler"-Thread:
https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=2210.msg25976#msg25976
edit: omg is this really my first post? I am reading for years ... sorry for that ;)
Quote from: Grmpf on Sunday, 22 November 2020, 05:28 AM
There is a simple solution as shown in post #7 of the "Big Heavy Wobbler"-Thread:
https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=2210.msg25976#msg25976
edit: omg is this really my first post? I am reading for years ... sorry for that ;)
Welcome to the forum Grmpf :onya: Perhaps your second post should be in the introductions section.
Quote from: mjgt on Sunday, 22 November 2020, 07:04 PM
Quote from: Grmpf on Sunday, 22 November 2020, 05:28 AM
There is a simple solution as shown in post #7 of the "Big Heavy Wobbler"-Thread:
https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=2210.msg25976#msg25976
edit: omg is this really my first post? I am reading for years ... sorry for that ;)
Welcome to the forum Grmpf :onya: Perhaps your second post should be in the introductions section.
Yeah I know, but I am more the quiet guy and also I am more active in the German GSX community. But I like this community here very much ;)
I hope I could help
@Athelstanexxx Best regards
I have a similar issue - no main stand due to Akro.
The L-brackets on my rear paddock stand are.. TERRIBLE.
They are a bugger to adjust to the right width (and keep them there), the rubber wears off them too quickly so they could damage the swing arm finish, and worst of all as a result of those things is that it's not very stable.
Just use better lift....
https://v-i-c-i.rajce.idnes.cz/Hydraulic_Bike_Lift_Version_3_-_Heavy_Duty/1004956239
RJays rear race stand 20 bucks off gumtree, has heavy duty l brackets and proper rubber and plastic covers on the brackets. Easy lift up and does not slip off. Looking for same brand for the front.
I use a trolley jack located under the sump with a shaped timber block that sits between the #2 and #3 header pipes (full Akra) to pick the front up.
Fitted my new Michelin road 4's yesterday.Love having a mainstand after 9 yrs of nothing(gsxr1000).
Easy job ,but when I got to the front wheel (with a car jack and a piece of wood under the headers) I found the front wheel just finger tight! No danger with the hex bolts nipping up the axle but now the wierd wear on one side of the front tyre might explain itself? Bike has done 21kms so the previous owner or mechanic hasn't nipped up the axle when fitting?
Can't wait to get out friday,new tyres are fantastic huh ?
(I copied this to the Road 5 thread Roo - KC)
Quote from: Roo on Tuesday, 24 November 2020, 06:53 AM
Can't wait to get out friday,new tyres are fantastic huh ?
Not if they are PR4s no.
Quote from: Hooli on Tuesday, 24 November 2020, 07:47 AM
Quote from: Roo on Tuesday, 24 November 2020, 06:53 AM
Can't wait to get out friday,new tyres are fantastic huh ?
Not if they are PR4s no.
Nowt wrong with PR4's had them on my 14 and my Triumph, really very happy with them. PR5's are even better.
It was a PR4GT that delaminated & fell apart on me in the alps, it was nearly new too.
I never thought the bike felt solid on them & they wore quickly & in a horrible way too.
As as add on to this interesting thread...
Ive have been looking for a safe, smooth and efficient way of manoeuvring the bike around the garage.
I have been looking for some time now for a professionally built system to achieve this without the need for a conventional tray/channel with 'hard castors' approach. As we all know the stock swinging arm does not have any bobbin mounting points, however, I have come across an Australian product by www.dynamoto.com.au with a unique wheel geometry that allows easy manoeuvrability in the garage.
Now the question: Knowing the swining arm structural integrity is unproven by drilling & taping it, does anyone have any experience of D&G units mounted on the chain adjusters?
Cheers Noddy
I like dynamoto, wish I had this system. A pair of nutserts into the swingarm and you have your bobbin mount points.
Quote from: Eric GSX1400K3 on Thursday, 26 June 2025, 09:09 AMI like dynamoto, wish I had this system. A pair of nutserts into the swingarm and you have your bobbin mount points.
One of my spare GSX1100 swingarms has a pair of threaded lugs welded on under the swingarm. They take aftermarket bobbins as many factory arms do.
I do use nutserts, actually fixed a seat with them yesterday, not sure I'd trust the weight of a bike on them though.
I searched for something like those R&G items for a while with no luck. Ended up having some threaded aluminium mounts welded to the underside of the swingarm while it was out a few months back and just use normal style bobbins now.
I actually bought this setup initially but I don't think I've ever even removed it from the packaging. Threaded rod through the centre of the axle with mushrooms on the end.
https://ebay.us/m/wqSC40 (https://ebay.us/m/wqSC40)
Noddy, expensive operation. Gilles or R&G chain adjusters seem easiest way. Lurch, your unused would be easy to make, hole is diff size each side, must come with spacer.Paddock stands never on my list so im really speaking out of ignorance.
not sure I'd trust the weight of a bike on them though.
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True, but your never picking up the weight of the whole bike, i reckon less than 50% of the total weight.
Lurch, my supreme admiration & respect for being able to maintain a bike in that condition! Absolutely stunning. :hat: :onya: :clapping: Hell, even the wheels on the lift are polished & shiny.
Agree Col. I'm hanging my head in shame....
I do use normal front stands too, but pulling the wheels out I'm never 100% confident. I'm clumsy enough for it to end up being a drama. Paranoid me sometimes throws a ratchet strap over the beam in the mezzanine as insurance.
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Some of my bikes have a larger hollow front spindle. I have a few lengths of all-thread with 2 nuts and a washer near one end. These fit solid into the spindle and let me use a spare rear stand if I'm not removing the wheels. I know it looks a bit bodgy but it was free and it's quite stable.
(https://i.ibb.co/jvMFr9dB/IMG-2596.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HDzQHL01)
(https://i.ibb.co/sJdjKFsD/IMG-2597.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YTF2ctfK)
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To be fair that was just after I'd finished freshening it up at the end of January. It hasn't gotten any dirtier sitting under a cover for the past 3 - 4 months though. Soon...
On the bikes without bobbins I normaly use the same stands with "L" type lifters that pick up under the arm. I do prefer bobbins, but these work OK unless I'm lazy and the underside of the arm gets messy / collects chain lube, then the stand slides forward. If the arm and stand are clean (given a wipe with brake cleaner) then it's fine.
(https://i.ibb.co/KpmnqbQ7/IMG-2600.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LXvKtYq6)
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Quote from: lurch on Thursday, 26 June 2025, 01:41 PMI searched for something like those R&G items for a while with no luck. Ended up having some threaded aluminium mounts welded to the underside of the swingarm while it was out a few months back and just use normal style bobbins now.
A practical approach, but I don't fancy adding weight to the 1400 :whistling:
Quote from: Tony Nitrous on Thursday, 26 June 2025, 08:43 PMOn the bikes without bobbins I normaly use the same stands with "L" type lifters that pick up under the arm. I do prefer bobbins, but these work OK unless I'm lazy and the underside of the arm gets messy / collects chain lube, then the stand slides forward. If the arm and stand are clean (given a wipe with brake cleaner) then it's fine.
(https://i.ibb.co/KpmnqbQ7/IMG-2600.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LXvKtYq6)
(https://i.ibb.co/PZNjswnn/IMG-2599.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rGm0K4SS)
I've always used these stands with my bikes...haven't had any issues yet (cue the universe deciding to change that).
Quote from: Noddy on Thursday, 26 June 2025, 07:53 AMNow the question: Knowing the swining arm structural integrity is unproven by drilling & taping it, does anyone have any experience of D&G units mounted on the chain adjusters?
Cheers Noddy
I have been looking for those R&G add-ons for some time, for the same reasons, and as their offering was not entirely clear, I've given a try to those, found on fleebay and quite inexpensive. These are generic ones sold for GSXR 600/750/1000 around 2000, and need a slight bit of adjustment -- e.g. the axle holes were *exactly* of the size of the axle, so I had to grind a couple of tens of millimeters to allow the axle to actually properly slide into them.
They do the job, are quite quicker to lift the bike than with the L shaped lifters, don't tend to progressively 'slip forward' when working on the front end and moving the forks, and are quite stable.
They don't replace the L shaped lifters when needed to remove the rear wheel or adjust chain tension, though.
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At least you didn't modify the swinging arm with holes and nutserts.
Sponge Bob, looks the answer 👍$43 landed. Well done.
Quote from: grog on Wednesday, 16 July 2025, 05:28 PMSponge Bob, looks the answer 👍$43 landed. Well done.
Until you have to take the wheel out.
Yeah Snapey, correct.Ive got centrestand&little scissor lift for the front. Works fine
Quote from: Snapey on Thursday, 17 July 2025, 04:20 AMQuote from: grog on Wednesday, 16 July 2025, 05:28 PMSponge Bob, looks the answer 👍$43 landed. Well done.
Until you have to take the wheel out.
Yes, agreed; This is what I said :imrgreen:
However, one doesn't take the wheel out every day...
Quote from: Snapey on Thursday, 17 July 2025, 04:20 AMQuote from: grog on Wednesday, 16 July 2025, 05:28 PMSponge Bob, looks the answer 👍$43 landed. Well done.
Until you have to take the wheel out.
And then when you have to take the wheel out (or work on shocks, swingarm, etc., then there is this solution ;-)
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