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Title: Wheelies
Post by: ouch on Sunday, 26 April 2020, 05:33 AM
i know mines tuned but should it wheelie without aid of clutch ?
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: seth on Sunday, 26 April 2020, 05:52 AM
Mine does just open the throttle and it will lift the front just think do you want to as it's heavy when it's on just the back wheel .
:cheers:
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: Hooli on Sunday, 26 April 2020, 06:08 AM
Mine only wheelies over crests if I don't manage to take off. It never wheelies deliberately as I'm a wuss.
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: ouch on Sunday, 26 April 2020, 07:09 AM
Quote from: seth on Sunday, 26 April  2020, 05:52 AM
Mine does just open the throttle and it will lift the front just think do you want to as it's heavy when it's on just the back wheel .
:cheers:
When i was younger (alot) i never used to leave a juction or lights unless it was on one wheel, but these days i shit myself everytime it lifts , but the acceleration is a bit addictive and with a heavy hand it'll lift in 2nd , but if i drop the baffle back in it stops that sort of malarkey.
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: Eric GSX1400K3 on Sunday, 26 April 2020, 09:42 AM
Its also one of the fastest way to be replacing front fork seals, its a heavy bike for wheelies,  but it will do it.
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: Roo on Sunday, 26 April 2020, 04:17 PM
I did a couple on my 70th birthday (just so I could say I did !)   
But it was on my K6 gsxr1000  !!!!!!!   
traded it in on the 1400 so I wouldn't be tempted again.   :whistling: :rofl2:  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: Kiwifruit on Sunday, 26 April 2020, 04:44 PM
I'm of the mind that if it won't do wheelies just just by turning the handle l won't bother. Tend to think they are hard on the bike.
Good fun on the YZ125 back in the early 80's moto-crossing days.
Junked my trail bike when l tipped it over on the road when l was at school.
Put me off just a little   :facepalm:
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: T 24 on Sunday, 26 April 2020, 04:55 PM
It's easy. 3rd or 4th gear, 100 - 150 kmh, and almost full throtle. It will come up :stir:
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: grog on Sunday, 26 April 2020, 05:19 PM
I wonder why yours stands up that easy T24? 😂. Rode a mates supercharged 14 years ago, it was similar to yours, stood up at will.
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: VladTepes on Thursday, 30 April 2020, 10:16 AM
I'm super tempted but dead scared that I'll drive it out from under myself and flip it.
Because I get the impression you have to snap the throttle (when at lower speeds) to get it to come up.
Never real done wheelies before I have to admit.  Well, not on purpose.

Need to know the proper technique.


All I know is - cover back brake, be ready to release throttle, don't panic.
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: steve porter on Thursday, 30 April 2020, 10:26 AM
Got a couple of mates ( both mad bastard Kiwi`s come to think of it) who seem to be able to wheelie anything at any time, must be part of the test over there.
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: mlivkovich on Thursday, 30 April 2020, 10:44 AM
I never knew how to wheelie, not even on real wheelie machine I had, TL1000S. Although, my younger brother does stunts for fun on his husaberg fe570, such a wild bike to ride!
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: GSXKING on Thursday, 30 April 2020, 07:49 PM
Please don't practice on you GSX. It's certainly an advantage to have ridden trail bikes etc. when younger it's just second nature. Road bikes are very different and yes can be flipped with too much throttle.
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: Hooli on Thursday, 30 April 2020, 08:24 PM
Quote from: VladTepes on Thursday, 30 April  2020, 10:16 AM
I'm super tempted but dead scared that I'll drive it out from under myself and flip it.
Because I get the impression you have to snap the throttle (when at lower speeds) to get it to come up.
Never real done wheelies before I have to admit.  Well, not on purpose.

Need to know the proper technique.


All I know is - cover back brake, be ready to release throttle, don't panic.

The other option is to clutch it up which I'm told gives more control.

The way I'm often told is - 2nd gear, wind the throttle open, pull the clutch in & let it flick out.

I've not got the bottle to try either.
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: Mick_J on Thursday, 30 April 2020, 08:46 PM
Never done one (deliberately), never wanted to do one, I have too much mechanical sympathy to treat a bike like that.  Admire those who can do it properly on a bike designed for it.
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: Hooli on Thursday, 30 April 2020, 09:29 PM
What I find odd is if the front comes up over a crest I'll wind on to hold it there & ride it but I'll never try to pick it up deliberately.

Obviously that means I was too slow over the crest as the real idea is to get both wheels up for as long as possible.
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: Kiwifruit on Thursday, 30 April 2020, 09:51 PM
Before the riot started at the top of the mountain.....Bathurst Easter 81
I saw a guy wheelie a TT500 through or rather over a pup tent.
:wheelie:
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: VladTepes on Friday, 01 May 2020, 09:09 AM
You were there in 81?  Must have been a heck of a trip!
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: grog on Friday, 01 May 2020, 05:59 PM
Not wheelies but opposite. When kids used to bump start my mates sisters scooter, 2 stroke, in reverse. Motor ran backwards. Competition was to see how far you could go backwards. Not an easy task. She mustve wondered about bent mirrors, scratches from dropping it. Only did it on grass.
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: Irish in Oz on Friday, 01 May 2020, 07:08 PM
I'll do them often off road on dirt bikes but never bother on the road I've seen quite a few mishaps over the years.
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: Kiwifruit on Friday, 01 May 2020, 08:29 PM
Was at work one Saturday arvo with my young fella, he was about 4, he's 30 this year. We hear this noise so go and have a look.....a clown doing wheelies up the drive, bloke taking photos and a couple of lookers.
I say please don't do that someone will get hurt......driveway was way too short for a start. Back to work l go. Not long after we hear this grating sound.
Ole mates jammed it under a car at the end of the drive. Luckily he only has a dislocated shoulder. The bikes a bit ripped up and the back of the Ford Laser requires a claim form.
Man they ripped into me, you're a f...ckin doomsayer ya prick......ra..de..ra...de..ra !!
When you been listening to the front tyre chirping.....the driveways too short.
:jack:
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: T 24 on Saturday, 02 May 2020, 04:25 AM
There are two kind of wheelies:
Circus or balance wheelie, angle ~45°, for bikes wihout power and
Power wheelie, keeping front wheel 2 to 4 inch up for a looong time, for bikes with power.
Which one we are talking about?
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: ouch on Saturday, 02 May 2020, 05:39 AM
i managed to get both wheels of my zrx off the ground, later this year or next i intend to see if the 14 can fly
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: Irish in Oz on Saturday, 02 May 2020, 05:40 AM
My RD400 has almost one third of the power the 1400 has and it does better wheelies so I suppose that would be the clown category.
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: Irish in Oz on Saturday, 02 May 2020, 05:58 AM
https://www.facebook.com/Official.KTM/videos/jeremy-mcwilliams-wheelie-wednesday/1223253094732351/
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: VladTepes on Tuesday, 05 May 2020, 10:21 AM
T24 - lifted front wheel maybe a foot or so would be good/ Those 45 degree mega wheelies are definitely a dirt bike job.
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: Roo on Tuesday, 05 May 2020, 01:17 PM
Quote from: Kiwifruit on Sunday, 26 April  2020, 04:44 PM
I'm of the mind that if it won't do wheelies just just by turning the handle l won't bother. Tend to think they are hard on the bike.
Good fun on the YZ125 back in the early 80's moto-crossing days.
Junked my trail bike when l tipped it over on the road when l was at school.
Put me off just a little   :facepalm:

Olden days ,front page News  lol   me on the right......   
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: Kiwifruit on Tuesday, 05 May 2020, 02:26 PM
John Woodley was pretty quick in his day.
Some of the best days in NZ Road Racing that era  :worshippy:
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: Kiwifruit on Tuesday, 05 May 2020, 02:39 PM
Quote from: VladTepes on Friday, 01 May  2020, 09:09 AM
You were there in 81?  Must have been a heck of a trip!

Finished my apprenticeship, a week later l'm in Aussie next day off to Bathurst. Mate said sorry Col there no room in the car l'm going in.  No worries, found a vivid marker pen, wrote "BATHURST" on half a beer carton and put my thumb out.
Guess l was lucky, could have ended up anywhere. Had an amazing time.
:onya:
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: GSXKING on Tuesday, 05 May 2020, 05:45 PM
McWilliams Video unavailable via link guys  :sad: :sad: :sad:
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: Irish in Oz on Tuesday, 05 May 2020, 06:38 PM
Quote from: GSXKING on Tuesday, 05 May  2020, 05:45 PM
McWilliams Video unavailable via link guys  :sad: :sad: :sad:

Maybe you need to be on Facebook.
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: GSXKING on Tuesday, 05 May 2020, 07:33 PM
Just typed in McWilliams on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv3e1afezpE impressive 200+kmh wheelies. :notworthy: :notworthy:
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: GSXKING on Tuesday, 05 May 2020, 09:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXyv5fKwjd8

Me on TL1000s at 130kg's. My mate Dave on VTR maybe 65kg's. Quite a few years ago. I'll see if I can find footage of my GSX doing wheelies.  :salute:
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: Kiwifruit on Wednesday, 06 May 2020, 01:37 AM
When l was at school (those were the days) l popped a wheelie leaving the shops. Nice gentle up hill to a give way sign. I put it down just in time to see PC Plod across the road starting his Triumph Tiger. I think maybe, just maybe he"s spotted me. So l leave the give way do the stop hand signal and pull over. He pulls in behind me and l'm thinking "this is going to be expensive". "Good afternoon sir, what just happened there" he says. Me " jusf a bit of a demo for my mates at the shops officer" "how about you take it home and keep both wheels on the ground"....."l can do that sir" says l. Coppers were different back then. More about safety and less about revenue. They knew us and we respected them.
Wonder if the outcome would have been different had l said the clutch slipped.
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: Irish in Oz on Wednesday, 06 May 2020, 05:29 AM
Quote from: GSXKING on Tuesday, 05 May  2020, 09:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXyv5fKwjd8

Me on TL1000s at 130kg's. My mate Dave on VTR maybe 65kg's. Quite a few years ago. I'll see if I can find footage of my GSX doing wheelies.  :salute:

TL is a good wheelie machine, my mate just purchased an SV1000 today it should lift the wheel.
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: T 24 on Wednesday, 06 May 2020, 01:54 PM
TL / SV is a good wheelie / stunt bike, but you must be careful with lubrication during high wheelies.
I know a couple of TL engines, destroyed during too long and too high balance wheelie due to poor lubrication.
But that lubrication problem is common with most engines on high angles.
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: VladTepes on Thursday, 07 May 2020, 04:07 PM
Bandit 1200s are good wheelie / stunt machines!
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: Irish in Oz on Thursday, 07 May 2020, 05:51 PM
They are just twist the throttle in any gear.
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: Kiwifruit on Thursday, 07 May 2020, 05:57 PM
One of the reasons l bought a 14 and not a Bandit. Was told they are a bit short for 2 up loa9ded touring.......and wheelie easy.
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: Irish in Oz on Thursday, 07 May 2020, 07:36 PM
I hear you KF. Same for me something docile put on luggage and take the missus but I wanted it to go like a 1200 Bandit and not have to put in cams and power pipes so I just got one of these as well  :)
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: Roo on Friday, 08 May 2020, 07:23 AM
I wouldn't say bandits are out of control wheelie machines standard, But sure once you take a bit of weight off them and pop in gsxr cams, compression,jet kits etc etc they are pretty strong..  My Gen 1 was putting out around 135 rwh  when finshed.
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: Irish in Oz on Friday, 08 May 2020, 07:33 PM
My Bandit wheelies better with the top box on.
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: T 24 on Friday, 08 May 2020, 09:30 PM
Oh, it must be that. I have a big top box in my 14 :whistling:
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: Irish in Oz on Saturday, 09 May 2020, 12:46 AM
My top box is small, it must be the sack of wet sand I put in it.
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: Kiwifruit on Saturday, 09 May 2020, 07:41 AM
Irish we would get bollocked here for having red reflectors to the frònt of the pannier boxes.
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: Irish in Oz on Saturday, 09 May 2020, 06:05 PM
It's easier to read the writing.
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: DP1400 on Monday, 11 May 2020, 04:24 PM
Earlier naked Bandit 12's were the real deal, shorter wheelbase.
Mine would power up easily from a standing start , and two-up with a bit of luggage was a very lively ride!! Could have done with a good steering damper but i never bothered fitting one. More fun without.
A stunt riders dream! :)
Title: Re: Wheelies
Post by: VladTepes on Tuesday, 12 May 2020, 04:35 PM
Quote from: DP1400 on Monday, 11 May  2020, 04:24 PM
Earlier naked Bandit 12's were the real deal,

Yep and none of the crazy water cooling business...