Hi All,
Been a while since the intro of my new baby (https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=4921.0 (https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=4921.0)) so I figured it would be good to start looking into the essentials...
Opened the tank this weekend and I folded for the day after the attached images :bugga: - will do a mirror inspect of the tank and also first time plug the sparks and check beneath next.
Anyone experiences with this build up?
Doesn't look good :bugga: good luck !
Mate, you have problems. 6 year old fuel has been off for a long time, 3 months its life in our summers. Whole system will be contaminated. Dont want to be the Grim Reaper but seriously doubt you can fix it. You can, but every fuel part needs replacing, seen it all on cars. Nothing will clean it. Just a mongrel virus that clogs everything. Does it smell like gone off old paint? Hope im wrong.
Thank you for your feedback.
I am aware that a bike standing for 6-8 years is not going to start up straight away after a simple battery change.
The tank was almost full and even without detailed inspection (to my amateur eye) it looks like surface rust only and deteriorated fuel.
Appreciate any feedback and especially suggestions how to get her back on road.
Cheers,
Dan
DZ, given that the old `rotten` fuel will have corroded everything encasing it, your entire fuel system could possibly be a wright-off. I think if i was faced with the same problem, i`d source everything needed from breakers. Otherwise it could cost an absolute fortune. However, i`m thinking that the tank itself could be professionally cleaned out and possibly internally coated.
This issue does serve as a reminder to us to run the bike until it completely stops when considering a lay-up for anything more that 3/4 months, ensuring that every drop of fuel is out of the entire system. Doesn`t say much for modern fuels does it!!
In case you haven't read this about the tank recovery: https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=2937.0 (https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=2937.0)
If your fuel filter is clogged consider the external fuel filter mod: https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=590.0 (https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=590.0) or https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=4100.0 (https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=4100.0)
Don't forget the injectors https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=95.0 (https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=95.0)
Lots of topics that you may glean ideas etc. from in the Fueling forum: https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?board=5.0 (https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?board=5.0)
Quote from: Andre on Saturday, 07 March 2020, 07:37 AM
In case you haven't read this about the tank recovery: https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=2937.0 (https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=2937.0)
If your fuel filter is clogged consider the external fuel filter mod: https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=590.0 (https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=590.0) or https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=4100.0 (https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=4100.0)
Don't forget the injectors https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=95.0 (https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=95.0)
Lots of topics that you may glean ideas etc. from in the Fueling forum: https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?board=5.0 (https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?board=5.0)
Thanks Andre for linking these, looks like a bit of work ahead.
The hard part is to understand which of all the steps to take to get her back. But looking at it I probably have to go through all parts fuel goes through now... :frustrated:
Thanks again,
Dan
One step at a time will get you there!
Buy some white vinegar (20-25% acid content). Take the tank cap/lock off and take it apart. Not sure what the vinegar will do to the rubber ring, I wouldn't expose the rubber to it. Then put the rusty and "growth" (whatever that is) befallen metal parts after a manual "clean" in a vinegar bath. Do the bath outside, who-knows what vapors develop when the vinegar and the "growth" come in contact.
If the rubber-ring is not cracked then put it in a zip-bag and douse it with silicon oil (spray if you don't have straight oil). Leave it in the closed bag for a day or two, occasionally moving it in the bag.
:cheers:
Hi All,
Finally got to start working on her and... it was not that good :embarrassed:. Just sharing for future reference, if you have any input - it is welcome :)
Pulling off the tank and taking out the Fuel Pump and Fuel Level Sensor I was welcomed by the worst smell of decomposed fuel and rust; I have never smelt fuel as bad like this :bugga:. Quick rinse with a bit of fresh fuel got out about two hands-full of rust. Found more, about 1mm thick dried flakes of rust on the tarp I had under the job later.
Feeling inside the bottom of the tank a lot of gunk and rust, maybe 2-4mm. Upper part you can see lots of rust "crust" - no holes noted. Tank cap needs at least a seal if not full replacement.
Getting worse... Fuel Pump and FLS completely covered in rust and gunk. Using carb cleaner I could start brushing off a bit... Some of the build up is about 3-4mm thick and it scrapes off with a screw driver like a paste. FLS is FUBAR, some parts just fell off and of course no reaction to an ohmmeter test.
FP and Filter still covered in stuff after one can of carb cleaner and 15 minutes scrub & scrape - trust the inside won't be better, so a write off too.
Took about 12l of dark brown fuel to recycling today and emailed a few wreckers.
Think the tank could be professionally cleaned/relined, I don't think it's a job for myself. The other parts from filling in fuel to just before the injectors need to be replaced probably.
On that note - excuse my ignorance - I tried figuring out if you can still get original or OEM parts for her but searching the internet just resulted in void. All I found is that local (AU) suppliers only have a few scraps and bits left over and no information about Japanese suppliers or if Suzuki stopped supporting the model (which I assume) or what left over stock there is. Anyone any info?
Either way - will update you how I get her back on the road.
And, if in the meantime anyone has suggestions, happy to hear.
Cheers,
Dan
You've got you work cut out Dan, you should be able to recover the tank, needs a good clean out and lined in ethanol safe epoxy but looks like the rest of the fuel system will have to be replaced, good luck.
Have a look on https://www.robinsonsfoundry.co.uk/shop/online-store/suzuki-parts-finder.htm
You can look up all the part numbers & search them on google to find local suppliers etc. I know the fuel pump for example is about £30 on ebay with the o-rings as it's a Mitsubishi part. It's a fortune from Suzuki for exactly the same pump.
Hi DZ. Don't forget us over here. I know a couple have been dismantled. Have a look on 'TradeMe' here, its like our own Ebay. Not much left of the couple in Christchurch by the sound of it but Google motorcycle wreckers in NZ.
Happy to help out if l can.
Best of luck with your project :onya:
Quote from: Hooli on Sunday, 17 May 2020, 07:49 PM
Have a look on https://www.robinsonsfoundry.co.uk/shop/online-store/suzuki-parts-finder.htm
You can look up all the part numbers & search them on google to find local suppliers etc. I know the fuel pump for example is about £30 on ebay with the o-rings as it's a Mitsubishi part. It's a fortune from Suzuki for exactly the same pump.
Thanks mate,
There are few original and OEM suppliers here (AU) as well and looking up the part no is easy. Nobody seems to have anything in stock though and the FPs on eBay are only the core part - replacing the filter and assembly I couldn't fine anything on eBay.
Appreciate your help and fingers crossed...
Cheers,
Dan
Quote from: Kiwifruit on Sunday, 17 May 2020, 08:57 PM
Hi DZ. Don't forget us over here. I know a couple have been dismantled. Have a look on 'TradeMe' here, its like our own Ebay. Not much left of the couple in Christchurch by the sound of it but Google motorcycle wreckers in NZ.
Happy to help out if l can.
Best of luck with your project :onya:
Hi Mate,
Sorry, I almost forgot about that option. Thanks for pointing out and hope you're all well in these crazy times. Will start scraping those NZ wreckers as well then... :whistling:
Thanks for suggesting TradeMe, will add to my list to check and monitor.
Cheers,
Dan
Hi DZ, don't forget to try Mick Hone motorcycles, I buy all my new bits from their website, delivery is reasonable and parts prices too. They have all the microfiche digitised too so that makes parking selection easy.
http://www.mickhone.com.au/partFinder/fiche/suzuki/2003/gsx1400#component
I agree that the tank needs relining. Have you had a look at the throttle bodies? Worst case after standing for 6 years on the side stand is that fuel could have drained into the lowest one (cylinder 1). Unlikely with injectors, but you never know. I'd say the fuel rail is "infected" too, and injectors too.
Please please please do not try to start the engine until you've had a look into them via the spark plug ports. The bad fuel can corrode the bores of the cylinders and piston tops too. Worst case is an engine rebuild, but at least won't be an engine failure and game over.
I'm sure everyone here is willing to help and there's lots of info on here too.
Best of luck.
Quote from: DZ on Sunday, 17 May 2020, 09:07 PM
Quote from: Hooli on Sunday, 17 May 2020, 07:49 PM
Have a look on https://www.robinsonsfoundry.co.uk/shop/online-store/suzuki-parts-finder.htm
You can look up all the part numbers & search them on google to find local suppliers etc. I know the fuel pump for example is about £30 on ebay with the o-rings as it's a Mitsubishi part. It's a fortune from Suzuki for exactly the same pump.
Thanks mate,
There are few original and OEM suppliers here (AU) as well and looking up the part no is easy. Nobody seems to have anything in stock though and the FPs on eBay are only the core part - replacing the filter and assembly I couldn't fine anything on eBay.
Appreciate your help and fingers crossed...
Cheers,
Dan
I'm pretty sure that apart from the 'cup' that fits to the bottom of the tank most FI suzukis are the same, so GSXRs etc etc
The high pressure filter is about £150 from suzuki over here, just for reference.
Quote from: Eric GSX1400K3 on Sunday, 17 May 2020, 10:52 PM
Hi DZ, don't forget to try Mick Hone motorcycles, I buy all my new bits from their website, delivery is reasonable and parts prices too. They have all the microfiche digitised too so that makes parking selection easy.
http://www.mickhone.com.au/partFinder/fiche/suzuki/2003/gsx1400#component
I agree that the tank needs relining. Have you had a look at the throttle bodies? Worst case after standing for 6 years on the side stand is that fuel could have drained into the lowest one (cylinder 1). Unlikely with injectors, but you never know. I'd say the fuel rail is "infected" too, and injectors too.
Please please please do not try to start the engine until you've had a look into them via the spark plug ports. The bad fuel can corrode the bores of the cylinders and piston tops too. Worst case is an engine rebuild, but at least won't be an engine failure and game over.
I'm sure everyone here is willing to help and there's lots of info on here too.
Best of luck.
Thanks Eric,
Checked Mick Hone - most (that I looked at) was out of stock though (or is that just the web site?). Are they backordering from Japan?
She was standing on the main stand I believe and when pulling of the high pressure fuel line no rust dripped out - however, haven't checked the fuel rail and further. Had enough for the day after pulling apart the tank :rolleyes:
Yes, would look down the bores as I planned draining it with WD-40 prior cranking the first time. Any tips on checking the bores in detail without using a camera that I don't have? Can you see enough just with a flash light?
Have never taken off the fuel rail / injectors on a bike, will check my Haynes to see how hard it is - don't mind flushing it if needed if I change / clean all the fuel intake anyway to be sure.
Cheers,
Dan
Removing the fuel rail is harder than getting thr injectors out, these just pull out. The fuel rail screws are a pain. They are JIS and a normal phillips head will most likely destroy the head, most replace them with stainless phillips head or socket head cap bolts.
But its not that hard, your best bet is to remove the entire throttle body assembly if you have to. If no rust when you pulled the line off this side of the fuel system should be ok. Injectors can be ultrasonically cleaned, but new are not that dear.
By the sounds of it the hpfp has taken the worst of it, but i would be flushing or replacing the hp fuel line in any case.
Thanks All,
Gave up on finding full replacement parts, so it is going to be
- Taking tank for prof clean and reline tomorrow (will share before / after pics)
- Found a wrecked fuel level sensor - if that does not work I just ignore it
- Replace fuel pump with one of the many options available
- External fuel filter and low pressure pre-filter as well, as discussed here on the forum :worshippy:
- Still deciding on clamps vs clips and where to get the high pressure fuel line here in OZ - anyone?
That should fix fuel intake and we take it from there...
Couple of pics for entertainment: