Found this pic on net. I am trying to figure out routing of those lines as they go to front side of oil sump :whatever: I saw oil lines like this positioned on many old air cooled kawasakis modified by japanese builders but I am curious how about gsx1400 :confused1:
It would be nice to know where those lines are taken from and how.
Another important thing you can see is the thermostat. 14 will need it.
I agree about thermostat. Gsx runs pretty cold and thermostat would be nice upgrade :cheers:
Well that looks really ugly with the oil lines there, steering damper etc. Very messy.
The wheels are fancy though.
As for a thermostat - nah KISS. Why complicate things.
(Ah wait I see you are in the wintery parts of the world. Here in Australia no need for a t/stat on the 1400 at all)
As for breather on the clutch housing.... why? No need for it.
Thermostat can be mounted to be almost invisble and it can be useful in cold areas. I am just curious about routing those lines. And looks? each to their own :cheers:
@mlivkovich Which thermostat (brand, model) is this?
I found this on https://wakaban.exblog.jp/
As I understand this thermostat is universal car part (google translate from japanese :rolleyes:).
Also many interesting mods, upgrades and texts there :cheers:
Google translator is getting a hard workout. :onya:
Inline oil thermostat
http://www.improvedracing.com/oil-thermostats/high-flow-engine-oil-cooler-thermostat-p-212.html
Thank you. I am more inclined to one from Mishimoto https://www.mishimoto.eu/mishimoto-in-line-thermostat.html#collapseTwo (https://www.mishimoto.eu/mishimoto-in-line-thermostat.html#collapseTwo)
Inline stats do sound a good idea, I know these things never warm up enough in cold weather (hence the handbook says block part of the oil rad off).
I stil have problems to find a good place to Mocal thermostat. There is so much scrap in front of the engine :angry:
Don't mind the lines but the steering damper looks fugly.
Agreed, imagine that going into yer kneecap in a crash
Quote from: Hooli on Thursday, 20 February 2020, 07:04 AM
I know these things never warm up enough in cold weather (hence the handbook says block part of the oil rad off).
I only have the downloaded handbook, for the life of me I can't find where it even mentions the oil cooler let alone how much or which part to block off. Can you please elaborate :confused1:
Quote from: Nic on Thursday, 20 February 2020, 05:07 PM
Quote from: Hooli on Thursday, 20 February 2020, 07:04 AM
I know these things never warm up enough in cold weather (hence the handbook says block part of the oil rad off).
I only have the downloaded handbook, for the life of me I can't find where it even mentions the oil cooler let alone how much or which part to block off. Can you please elaborate :confused1:
These bikes never came with an oil cooler cover. The after market covers are made for protection (and bling). They don't cut down much, if any, on the cooling. You need to make your own cover that can be easily adjusted and taken off.
A thermostat is a much more convenient solution. Suzuki skipped on this and an oil temperature gauge. At 10° it takes at least 10 km to get to 60° (~70° at the thermo-switch for fan) at the screw-in gauge. At 20° it takes about 5 km to what I consider operating temperature.
As I am afraid to touch the screws of the oil cooler (known issue of flimsy cooler), I want a sturdy cooler before I attack this issue.
@T24 Maybe the Improved Racing or the Mishimoto thermostat are easier to find a space.
Quote from: Nic on Thursday, 20 February 2020, 05:07 PM
Quote from: Hooli on Thursday, 20 February 2020, 07:04 AM
I know these things never warm up enough in cold weather (hence the handbook says block part of the oil rad off).
I only have the downloaded handbook, for the life of me I can't find where it even mentions the oil cooler let alone how much or which part to block off. Can you please elaborate :confused1:
I'd have to find the handbook to tell you in detail but I'm sure the handbook over here says about blocking part of the oil cooler in cold weather. I think
@Andre has mentioned the same? I'm sure it didn't mention what temps, or how much to cover. So wasn't a lot of use.
Might not be in your handbook as you're in warmer temps?
This sounds like a job for duct tape.
Quote from: Kiwifruit on Friday, 21 February 2020, 11:45 AM
This sounds like a job for duct tape.
Ahhhh, but what colour? :stir: :imrgreen:
I guess I'll have to make a cover, er, not duct tape kiwi :smile2: I made one for the Z900, I just don't know if I cover the whole cooler that the engine won't overheat. Here in the Wood it gets cold enough for 6 months of the year you don't want no oil cooler.
As for in line thermo etc, I'm not wanting more clutter around the front of the engine, I'm even considering taking the cooler off for winter, need to make up a couple of plates to cover the hose holes though, I think no cooler would be a good look, give me a chance to check the hoses, I'd be able to take off the crap SS headers n polish them up, or at least see if I can get me a busted header bolt or two :shocked:
What do you guys think of no cooler for winter? A cover would probably be the best solution. Easy to put on, take off.
I'd say we're a bit cooler here Nic & I've never covered or removed either of mine. I don't have an internal temp gauge though, but the bike runs just fine. It was designed with a cooler, so reckon it's probably best to leave it there & cover if you feel the need. :onya:
2c from over the ditch. :imrgreen:
Quote from: Kiwifruit on Thursday, 20 February 2020, 04:32 PM
Don't mind the lines but the steering damper looks fugly.
The steering damper looks what it looks, and the fairing, both of them have a function.
But can somebody tel me what is the function of that ugly plastic under the engine?
Is it for picking up oil leaks and dirt? Does it make anythig? :stir:
Just bling. It's the belly pan & it's all just 'style / appearance' Gives a smoother look, maybe? Both mine had them, only the blue has it now, the black one got destroyed during 'an off' a while ago.
Quote from: Nic on Friday, 21 February 2020, 11:59 AM
I'm even considering taking the cooler off for winter, need to make up a couple of plates to cover the hose holes though,
I wouldn't do no cooler, but if you MUST - don't just block the holes off ... put a line between the two.
Quote from: VladTepes on Friday, 21 February 2020, 02:08 PM
Quote from: Nic on Friday, 21 February 2020, 11:59 AM
I'm even considering taking the cooler off for winter, need to make up a couple of plates to cover the hose holes though,
I wouldn't do no cooler, but if you MUST - don't just block the holes off ... put a line between the two.
Yeah, it's all a bit much really, I spose it's best to leave it on and make a cover, I know from other bikes I've had that didn't even have a cooler, in winter the oil is luke warm after 150K rides, I'm big on burning off the condo in the oil if I can, I ride as much as I can all year round, I hate how they just rot away if you don't ride em. I usually change the oil twice a year, one for winter n one for whatever excuse we get here for a summer. Course the 14 takes a lot of oil.
Quote from: KiwiCol on Friday, 21 February 2020, 01:50 PM
I'd say we're a bit cooler here Nic & I've never covered or removed either of mine. I don't have an internal temp gauge though, but the bike runs just fine. It was designed with a cooler, so reckon it's probably best to leave it there & cover if you feel the need. :onya:
2c from over the ditch. :imrgreen:
Can't argue with that mate, went on my first decent ride today, bloody marvelous :onya: I think my steering is too tight though, fair bit of wandering even at 100kph. Of course to loosen it you need a 30mm ring spanner, OR, take the bars off so you can get a socket on the top yoke nut :furious: You guessed it, I don't have a 30mil spanner.
I have bugger all fuel left in the tank so I'll use this opportunity to take the tank off n do the fuel pump wire mod n anything else under there, I'll loosen off the steering when the tank's off.
Sorry, is this a hijack, hiding under table now.
@Nic Lift your front wheel up and check the condition of your steering bearing.
When my original bearing was rusty, it had some "tight spots". I had to change it.
This is cover solution I found on same website. IMO thermostat would be more practical solution, no worries after install :cheers:
Quote from: T 24 on Friday, 21 February 2020, 04:45 PM
@Nic
Lift your front wheel up and check the condition of your steering bearing.
When my original bearing was rusty, it had some "tight spots". I had to change it.
Thanks T, I have checked and re-greased the bearings, all is good in there, I just reckon I tightened the nut too much, also, when you do the top yoke 30mil nut it adds a bees dicks worth to the adjuster nut so you need to allow for that. I'll get to it once I have the tank off. Much to do :cheers:
Quote from: mlivkovich on Friday, 21 February 2020, 05:06 PM
This is cover solution I found on same website. IMO thermostat would be more practical solution, no worries after install :cheers:
I have some similar looking stuff in SS, you reckon that's good enough for winter then?
Quote from: Nic on Friday, 21 February 2020, 05:22 PM
Quote from: mlivkovich on Friday, 21 February 2020, 05:06 PM
This is cover solution I found on same website. IMO thermostat would be more practical solution, no worries after install :cheers:
I have some similar looking stuff in SS, you reckon that's good enough for winter then?
:whatever: I don't know, I never used one of theese and I never ride under 10°C. Someone should try to measure oil temp with/without cover in cold weather and let us know is there any difference.
Quote from: mlivkovich on Friday, 21 February 2020, 05:44 PM
Quote from: Nic on Friday, 21 February 2020, 05:22 PM
Quote from: mlivkovich on Friday, 21 February 2020, 05:06 PM
This is cover solution I found on same website. IMO thermostat would be more practical solution, no worries after install :cheers:
I have some similar looking stuff in SS, you reckon that's good enough for winter then?
:whatever: I don't know, I never used one of theese and I never ride under 10°C. Someone should try to measure oil temp with/without cover in cold weather and let us know is there any difference.
Sounds like a job for 'Super Andre!!' Cerealy though, reckon he's the man for this.
Nic, digital spring balance very good for adjusting head bearings. Just a few e bay bucks. Section 1, page 22 Haynes. Pin punch n hammer, 30 mm open ender. Works for me.
If the oil isn't going milky as seen in sight glass, I wouldn't worry about it, just more crap to go wrong.
Quote from: Irish in Oz on Friday, 21 February 2020, 07:05 PM
If the oil isn't going milky as seen in sight glass, I wouldn't worry about it, just more crap to go wrong.
I recently sold my Honda CB750, I think we all remember them, they had an oil tank on the right side with a big oil cap dipstick, no oil cooler. In winter I would do my usual 150K round trip and when i put the palm of my hand on the oil cap it was barely luke warm. I lived with it, what could you do, but the 14 has this big arse cooler, this has to mean the oil will be even colder than on the Honda unless the 14 run hotter than hell. I know how much condensation gets into Everything in my shed on a frosty morning, it gets into everything, rust runs amok.
Now having just bought a bike I have been lusting for for some years, I'd like to think I can do what's best for it. Anyway, this whole oil cooler thing has gone on long enough, I still have no definitive answers other than, in line thermo,or cover. I'll just leave it there, I'll probably end up with an oil temp gauge and report my finding somewhere down the track.
Quote from: grog on Friday, 21 February 2020, 06:35 PM
Nic, digital spring balance very good for adjusting head bearings. Just a few e bay bucks. Section 1, page 22 Haynes. Pin punch n hammer, 30 mm open ender. Works for me.
Grog, I'm not really sure what you're saying here, digital spring balance??? I don't have a Haynes nor would I ever get one after having one for the Honda where the pictures were so dark it was ridiculous.
I know how to adjust the bearings, I just need to back off the nut from where it is n I have a pretty good idea how tight/loose it has to be from where it is right now. One day I'll buy a 30mm ring spanner, for now I'll just take off the bars, once it's done, it's done :cheers:
@Nic , spring scale (can be digital)
Quote from: KiwiCol on Friday, 21 February 2020, 05:53 PM
Quote from: mlivkovich on Friday, 21 February 2020, 05:44 PM
Quote from: Nic on Friday, 21 February 2020, 05:22 PM
Quote from: mlivkovich on Friday, 21 February 2020, 05:06 PM
This is cover solution I found on same website. IMO thermostat would be more practical solution, no worries after install :cheers:
I have some similar looking stuff in SS, you reckon that's good enough for winter then?
:whatever: I don't know, I never used one of theese and I never ride under 10°C. Someone should try to measure oil temp with/without cover in cold weather and let us know is there any difference.
Sounds like a job for 'Super Andre!!' Cerealy though, reckon he's the man for this.
Nice try Col. I also don't ride in under 10° weather. Under 15° only if the itch is very strong. Plus I don't ride until after February 26. Too many drunks and crazys running around because of carnival.
This is a quote from the site of the guy who did the 2 aluminum covers thing mlivkovich posted above:
QuoteThe temperature is about 20 degrees Celsius, clear and the result is in a fully closed state.
It's about 100 ° C maximum when waiting for a traffic light, and 80 ° C (around 70km / h) when you start running.
Keeping 70 ° C to 75 ° C during high-speed driving at a temperature of 18 ° C (cruising at 100 km / h). It was at least 65 ° C.
It was around 55 ° C under similar conditions at national me, so would it be effective?
It can be assumed that the aluminum conducts heat a bit better than cardboard and who knows how much air still got through the holes in the aluminum plates.
Unfortunately I haven't seen anything about the temps with the installed thermostat on that site or anywhere else.
One piece of info for those who consider a thermostat: In closed position the Improved Racing bypasses the cooler by over 90% while the Mishimoto bypasses 75%.
It will be a while longer before I tackle the thermostat project. First I want a new oil cooler as I am not in the mood to touch the screws on the flimsy original oil cooler. Cooler, thermostat, AN-fittings, and getting new oil hoses attached by a hydraulic shop will cost over 600 €.
Quote from: mlivkovich on Friday, 21 February 2020, 07:48 PM
@Nic , spring scale (can be digital)
Thanks for the tutorial, I have one of those things, now where did I put it.
Half hour later::::
Oh FFS, I just found it, i'll give it a go tomorrow out of interest. Off to bedy bys now.
Agree Irish. As for spring balance, just the correct way to do it, dont have to do it a second time :)
200-500 is a bloody big window.
Never used a spring balance on mine, I just do it so it feels about right. Then once the bars etc are back on I check it just falls to the side when pushed away from centre.
I found some pics of oil lines routing and thermostat, no more mysteries :cheers:
Nice find.
I still don't like it though.