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Technically Speaking => Fuelling => Topic started by: Kiwifruit on Saturday, 02 March 2019, 02:22 AM

Title: Tank Breather ??
Post by: Kiwifruit on Saturday, 02 March 2019, 02:22 AM
From time to time the bike develops a strange issue. It seems to run out of fuel. Seems worse when coming to a stop, the fire just goes  out. It will restart and then run like a hairy goat.
Title: Re: Tank Breather ??
Post by: KiwiCol on Saturday, 02 March 2019, 02:35 AM
Is this the same issue that remedies itself when you open the fuel cap?
Title: Re: Tank Breather ??
Post by: Kiwifruit on Saturday, 02 March 2019, 02:39 AM
Yes Col.
....l had just written a novel about how it cheers itself up once you open the fuel cap. But fell asleep and lost that bit  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Tank Breather ??
Post by: KiwiCol on Saturday, 02 March 2019, 02:45 AM
You should start with 1 thing at a time, do this & see if it helps, no? go on to the next one.  Start with new gold link chain & sprockets DID 530 heavy duty. Then right angle valve stems & mirror extenders. Change headlight bulb to a +130 version. Obtain & fit new Yoshi cam & PC5 with a full Akra system to help, then some dyno time.  After this lot, I'm sure she'll be right, but if not, you may have to go the 1550 route. 


Dr Col has remedied this issue, next patient please . . .
Title: Re: Tank Breather ??
Post by: seth on Saturday, 02 March 2019, 03:28 AM
We're you reading my mind @KiwiCol
Thats what I was going say to do
Don't forget if the 1550 kit doesn't work go to 1700 and then it's got to be a turbo or it'll never be right .
:stir:
Title: Re: Tank Breather ??
Post by: KiwiCol on Saturday, 02 March 2019, 04:24 AM
Correct Seth.  Where would we be without you to add the essential detail.  I've heard there's a supercharger available as well, which could be a last resort if the turbo doesn't remedy the situation.


Get the wallet out KF, we're fixing it for ya!!
Title: Re: Tank Breather ??
Post by: KiwiCol on Saturday, 02 March 2019, 04:34 AM
Right, beside all the above excellent suggestions, does the actual cap have a small hole in it somewhere to allow atmospheric pressure to be maintained in the tank?  I'd say it does - somewhere.  I know if I forget to turn the on / off switch on top of the fuel cap on Cheries honda, it'll run for a while then die. 

Just thinking it could be the same thing, partially restricted breather in the fuel cap itself.  Dunno if it's possible to dismantle & have a look inside? I'd say it would be.


Off to Kaikoura now, Mrs has me doing some maintenance before I can go out on the quads.
Title: Re: Tank Breather ??
Post by: seth on Saturday, 02 March 2019, 04:54 AM
There is a small breather hole in the cap and then there is a breather it's the small hole between the filler cap hinge and the filler hole .
That breather then goes into a pipe that ends in the area of the swingarm pivot and is easily kinkedand needs to be routed correctly .
I'll add a pic of the routing in a mo .
:cheers:
Title: Re: Tank Breather ??
Post by: KiwiCol on Saturday, 02 March 2019, 05:37 AM
I wouldn't of thought a blocked / kinked water drain - overflow hose would cause this. Be more likely the pin hole bit in the cap has a bit of shite randomly blocking it.
I'd disassemble n check / clean it n see how it goes then.
Title: Re: Tank Breather ??
Post by: seth on Saturday, 02 March 2019, 05:39 AM
It can only be one of those so just work through it you'll get to the bottom of it .
:onya:
Title: Re: Tank Breather ??
Post by: Kiwifruit on Saturday, 02 March 2019, 07:28 PM
310kms today, didnt miss a beat. It is such a random thing that happens.
When l left home this morning the gas was to the hole l made in the tank neck. Be lucky to get another cupful of gas in
Quote from: seth on Saturday, 02 March  2019, 05:39 AM
It can only be one of those so just work through it you'll get to the bottom of it .
:onya:
:frustrated:
Title: Re: Tank Breather ??
Post by: seth on Saturday, 02 March 2019, 07:34 PM
These are the very worst kind of fault in anything .
I just want things to work or stop working then it's easy to find and repair .
Good luck buddy hope you find what's causing this problem
:frustrated:
Title: Re: Tank Breather ??
Post by: Kiwifruit on Sunday, 03 March 2019, 07:40 PM
So the hose that tucks in behind the swingarm pivot I thought was a breather is in fact a water drain and fuel overfill / spill drain hose and not a breather hose at all.
Title: Re: Tank Breather ??
Post by: seth on Sunday, 03 March 2019, 08:11 PM
I knew it was an overflow/drain but I also thought it acted as a breather too.
Everyday a school day .
Your problem can must be fuel cap related then as that's the only thing that can restrict air getting back into the tank.
When your having this problem if you open the tank can you hear the air getting sucked back in to the tank as that's also a clue.
The thing to check is the tank releasing excess pressure (venting out) on a hot day .
:cheers:
Title: Re: Tank Breather ??
Post by: Kiwifruit on Sunday, 03 March 2019, 09:13 PM
I've been listening for that suck when you open the cap. Nothing l can hear.
Fortunatly its very rare that it does it. I can ride a tank of gas out and have no issues so that tells me it is venting.
Will check the fuel cap if l can
Title: Re: Tank Breather ??
Post by: seth on Sunday, 03 March 2019, 09:22 PM
Ok try this fill your tank full while in a cool shaded place then move it into the sun and cover the fuel cap with very soapy water you'll see if the tank vents out by the bubbles made that will at least let you know have the story.
Sorry I can't offer anything else as advice .
:cheers:
Title: Re: Tank Breather ??
Post by: Kiwifruit on Monday, 04 March 2019, 02:30 AM
It has me baffled too. At least l seem to have the fix for it when it does happen. Done 1000kms on her this week, 999.5kms of them without issue.
Title: Re: Tank Breather ??
Post by: gsxbarmy on Monday, 04 March 2019, 04:37 AM
Quote from: Kiwifruit on Sunday, 03 March  2019, 07:40 PM
So the hose that tucks in behind the swingarm pivot I thought was a breather is in fact a water drain and fuel overfill / spill drain hose and not a breather hose at all.

There are 2 hoses that tuck in there Colin, one from the air box (which is a drain and has a plug on the end), the other is the tank overflow/breather pipe.