As title suggests, I changed the oil and filter earlier on today and now the bike sounds deeper, more jerkier and feels like less power. Anyone know why?
I use Halfords Motorbike Oil 10/40 and a champion filter.
First time I done this bike and put in about 4.8l of oil all the way up to the top line.
I've used Halfords 10w/40 and either Suzuki or champion filters and never noticed a change in how the bike sounded after.
Has the bike been stood for a while or used regularly up till the oil change ?
Has anything else been changed at the same time ?
Hopefully nothing serious
:cheers:
same as Seth Ive used Halfrauds 10/40 a few times with no issues
Quote from: seth on Monday, 28 January 2019, 06:03 AM
I've used Halfords 10w/40 and either Suzuki or champion filters and never noticed a change in how the bike sounded after.
Has the bike been stood for a while or used regularly up till the oil change ?
Has anything else been changed at the same time ?
Hopefully nothing serious
:cheers:
To be fair, I've not really used the bike much in the last 3 months, just too cold. But I have been on it couple times, had to call out the RAC as my battery died last week and could not for the life of me bump start the bugger. New battery sorted that.
Just seems odd the engine sounds deeper and the other stuff I mentioned. Wonderes if I put too much oil in as I did put it to the top line.
I do find though that in cold weather the bike doesn't like it very much, had it before where it's a little more jerkier last year.
Interesting you mention too much oil. Back in the 80's certain Suzukis in the open production class were just faster than so many other bikes of the same model. It was later found that one thing was they ran them with a lot less oil.
Not saying you should.
Just to confirm we are on the same page, this is the oil that was used https://www.halfords.com/motoring/motorcycling/motorcycle-oils/halfords-motorcycle-engine-oil-part-synthetic-10w-40-5ltr
I had an incident when the aprilia rsv Mille came out 2nd gen I bought one new,took it back to dealer I purchased it from for its first service around 35 miles away from where I live.first service done and when I'm riding home the bike starts missing and basically running crap,different sound and feel to the ride .when I pulled up at home wife says your bike sounds awful (yes even she noticed)when I got off the bike there was oil all over the rear end of the bike plus a strong smell of petrol,,,,,turns out the trainee mechanic serviced it and seriously over filled it with oil which in turn blew back into the air box then all over the swing arm ,hugger area,just saying could you have overfilled it your 14 as it sounds similar symptoms to my experience,,,,,by the way the smell of petrol was he'd split the fuel line when lowering the tank back down,,,.
I never get more than 4.5ltr in mine after an oil n filter change. It's worth rechecking the level now it's settled.
It won't be the halfrauds oil, I've used it in mine for the last 70k (I changed to it at about 55k) so it's good enough for these lumps.
@tingus That's the stuff through it looks like they changed the packaging again as it used to say semi-synthetic.
:cheers:
Same as Hooli. Mine is over full with 4.8 ltr after a oil & filter change.
I would definately remove around 400ml or so, and get it to the mid level and do a comparison. Sure it will make a big difference.
When measuring 4.8 liters in a 500cc measuring cup, the level was always below the top line. Switched to a much larger measuring cup (kitchen thingy) and the level was above top line. Next change I used "4.65" liters with that large cup and ended up even with the top line. 4.5 would have been better. Next time it's back to the small cup.
Okay awesome, I shall let out some oil later on in the week. Won't be using it till it's warmer anyway.
I shall report back! And thanks :)
not at all sure on this one. our 15w40 is in a tank. digital read out to 2 decimal places on supply gun. i always use exactly 4.8 litres, have for years. totally level with full line after sitting all day, tiny space just above it. no probs with any performance issues, 5k later oil remains exact same level, thats with bike on centrestand, flat ground.
I am just going off the 5 ltr container it comes in, so no accurate figure Grog. Oil level should be checked with bike on both tyres on level ground. I get my son or wife to sit on it & check. Not sure how much difference it is with the back up on the centre stand, but wouldn't think it would be much though. Might be worth a comparison when I get home today.
That's interesting Sweaty, I always measure / check mine whilst it's on the main stand (it's usually at the top line BTW)
Ok boys, I have just done a comparison on checking the oil level and taken the photos at the same angle etc for a realistic comparison.
First photo is checked with bike on both wheels (with someone sitting on it and using a spirit level to be sure:)
Second photo on centre stand.
It does show to me, that if you check on the centre stand, you are getting a slightly lower reading. So I would not fill it completely to the top line on oil changes.
Would be interesting to see if some of you see a difference when you check it on both wheels.
Thx Steve, that's great. Definitive answer right there. I'll still fill mine on the centre stand, but only to half way (or lower half of range) between the marks & not to the top line anymore. Having said that, I've not had any issues with filling to where I have been though.
If one refers to the manual, you need to check the oil by holding the bike upright on a level surface, not on its mainstand :onya:
And without anyone sat on it either.
and if you haven't got anyone to hold it for you . . .
Quote from: KiwiCol on Wednesday, 30 January 2019, 04:16 AM
and if you haven't got anyone to hold it for you . . .
Set up a camera on a tripod and video it :imrgreen:
Level ground & put a patio brick under the side stand. Bike's then level, just don't walk away from it!!
I filled mine to the level when on the centre stand and ended up taking a few cupfuls out :bugga:
Thoughr l had posted but maybe forgot to push post.....
Have always checked oil with both wheels on the ground. Usually get the wife to sit on bike to keep upright...... but not compress suspension
I'm happy if the oil level is somewhere in the top half between the two marks.
Quote from: KiwiCol on Wednesday, 30 January 2019, 04:16 AM
and if you haven't got anyone to hold it for you . . .
You can actually use your mobile phone camera also. Just lean down and take a photo while keeping the bike vertical or even better if you had a selfie stick (I don't by the way:)
...or just buy a Triumph, checking if there is any oil in it is easy, just look for the drips on the ground :rofl2: :rofl2:
What do you call a Triumph that doesn't leak oil...................... Empty !! :stir:
Quote from: Kiwifruit on Wednesday, 30 January 2019, 09:04 AM
What do you call a Triumph that doesn't leak oil...................... Empty !! :stir:
Nah......Unique! :rofl2:
Surely the new ones don't leak?
Those new factory customs, Thruxton & Rocket surely look good.
Quote from: Kiwifruit on Wednesday, 30 January 2019, 09:04 AM
What do you call a Triumph that doesn't leak oil...................... Empty !! :stir:
My Bonnie stopped leaking 3 years after I parked it up, it was empty at that point :cheers:
Quote from: KiwiCol on Wednesday, 30 January 2019, 04:16 AM
and if you haven't got anyone to hold it for you . . .
Just pull it almost upright towards you as you crouch down, it's easy to hold with one hand once it's upright. One of the first times I did it I pulled too hard & was thankful for the wall behind me though...
agree Hooli, not real difficult. actually did same yesterday. i dont really concern over oil level, never moves ever.
I don't know why manufacturers make life so difficult (for some), why not set it up to be measured when on the stand, main stand if it has one and side stand if not, it cant be that difficult.
Quote from: grog on Friday, 01 February 2019, 07:31 PM
agree Hooli, not real difficult. actually did same yesterday. i dont really concern over oil level, never moves ever.
Only times mine has moved has been down to leaks. It never burns a drop even now it's fully run in.
Always mogul 5100 for me :onya:
Quote from: Rh4000 on Wednesday, 06 February 2019, 09:30 AM
Always mogul 5100 for me :onya:
Don't you go open up that can again Richie :grin:
Too late....... :popcorn:
Quote from: Rh4000 on Wednesday, 06 February 2019, 09:30 AM
Always mogul 5100 for me :onya:
If that "mogul 5100" means Motul 5100, I'll never use it again. It's not washing enough. All sludge will stay in your engine until...
Yep, too late. :popcorn:
15w40 Diesel oil is good for keeping the insides clean & it's cheap :popcorn: :smoke:
so I've heard anyway. :whistling:
Ha Ha, im not talking about oil. Do you believe that?
Sorry for the late response, been several weeks now since I started this post.
The bike is running smooth and sounds the same as ever(fricken loud) awesome! Ended up putting in more oil into the engine, as it apparantly had less than required. So In the end I put in about 5l worth.
How do you guys clean your bikes? Friend of mine literally covers his in foam, scrubs it, more foam and then jet washes the entire bike.
Be very careful with a jet wash, do NOT point it at the wheel bearings, head bearings and chain as it can blast out any grease.
Never jet wash :thumbs_down:
x2 Never jet wash. Water gets blasted into areas it shouldn't and causes problems.
@tingus a service oil and filter change is around 4.8 lts so your 5 lts is about right.
A good hot foam wash the rinse with a hosepipe is how wash mine
If you do use a powerwasher you need to keep the main pressure away from the electrics and any bearings .
:cheers:
Quote from: mjgt on Sunday, 24 February 2019, 07:25 PM
Be very careful with a jet wash, do NOT point it at the wheel bearings, head bearings and chain as it can blast out any grease.
Sometimes I use jet wash, sometimes I don't.
I don't recommend to use jet wash if you don't know how to use it.
Everything can be done right or wrong.
I don't like to neglect it Dave.
Got my Rentec crash bars on today, forgot to take a front shot(tit) from the back it looks just as good. Some people say the bars don't look good I read on here, but I think the extra chrome looks awesome!
@tingus I like how they look but when I had the same fitted to my bike I kept hitting my right shin against the crash bar so I changed the for different ones that don't extend back as far.
:cheers:
I get what you mean, but just got use to it when I went out for a ride. Will save the bike one day hopefully, touch wood that it doesn't happen.
Got to admit the crash bars on mine did a great job when I was knocked off so for me worth paying for
I hope you don't ride fast. I had those for a while early on & they were almost touching down (according to people watching) long before I run out of back tyre.