Our govt have just got a new fetish. Point to Point Speed Cameras. Seems to be the latest attempt to reduce our road toll. Please read 'collect revenue'.
We have discussed this before but to me inattention is a more likely cause of serious crashes. (Excepting the stolen car full of numptys doing 160km in a 50km area.)
So those that have these cameras in operation on their roads, have they proven to deminish the road toll?
We also have CCTV cameras being installed all over the place. But thats a whole different story.
We already have these in the UK, here they are termed "average speed camera's", many just on the point of being "upgraded" to track across a number of roads, so for instance, tracking you on a motorway, then as you pull off onto lower limit side roads. Nearly every set of motorway road works has them these days. Good revenue earner, as you say.
Although I always find it amusing when you see people slam on their brakes just before one having gone way over the limit beforehand. Whilst that may work to get your speed down for the static cameras, it seems some people cannot grasp the idea of an "average" speed between 2 points :confused1:
As your last paragraph points out Dave, most people are too stupid to drive which is why we need this sort of thing. It's bloody annoying for those of us able to look forwards & pay attention when driving to be restricted to a speed the idiots can cause less damage at.
A good pic going around
point made !!! its all about the money and as police budgets get squeezed the more of this sort of thing you will see , i have couple guys i know who drive squad cars marked and unmarked (handy as i know the cars and most likely were they will be :mwink:) and they have said more than once that if it wasn't for speeding and general motoring affences the police would not be able to function on the current budget !
today i got photo my car, 8 ks over, 78 in a 70 zone. $175. 1 point. im so bad.
Just reckless Grog.....imagine if a blind lady on her mobility scooter struggling with a flat tyre, small handbag dog yapping in the front basket had been crossing the road, barely enough juice in the battery to make it across.
You would have no chance to avoid them.
Sir, always remember "the faster you go the bigger the mess."
:wife: Ka ching
I see the underbelly of the world still has all the criminals in it. :whistling:
Quote from: grog on Monday, 05 November 2018, 06:58 PM
today i got photo my car, 8 ks over, 78 in a 70 zone. $175. 1 point. im so bad.
No wonder we exported your ancestors, sodding criminal family!
In the name of research. I decided (management was on the back) to see which antipodean country was the best value for money to speed in.
For my study it appears I chose to use a speed camera hidden in a van. Why doesn't the prick stick to taking family photos. Anyway he will soon have no job when the point to point cameras turn up.
As you can see my speed was excessive. But I ask you, look at the value for money, compare Grogs $175.00 for 78 in a 70km area against my $30.00 for 107 in a 100km area.
I really should spend more time watching the speedo and less time looking at the road. :facepalm:
Kiwi, can we swap?
Quote from: grog on Tuesday, 06 November 2018, 11:39 AM
Kiwi, can we swap?
Grog, You wouldn't last in NZ it's far to cold, I seen the Brissy Brigade in Dorrigo never seen so many beanies. And wages are double in Brisbane hence the difference in fines.
I'm not on Facebook but my wife is and a friend of ours was recently "done" for speeding on the M1 motorway. The matrices above the lanes read 60 with a circle around it meaning a camera would take your picture if you went too fast. There were no roadworks, accidents, congestion etc so when his fine came through he queried the reason for the restriction and was told environmental emissions control!
These things are revenue raises pure and simple.
Quote from: Kiwifruit on Tuesday, 06 November 2018, 11:22 AM
In the name of research. I decided (management was on the back) to see which antipodean country was the best value for money to speed in.
For my study it appears I chose to use a speed camera hidden in a van. Why doesn't the prick stick to taking family photos. Anyway he will soon have no job when the point to point cameras turn up.
As you can see my speed was excessive. But I ask you, look at the value for money, compare Grogs $175.00 for 78 in a 70km area against my $30.00 for 107 in a 100km area.
I really should spend more time watching the speedo and less time looking at the road. :facepalm:
Pretty cheap here. 7 km/h gets you a 15€ warning within city limits. Outside it's 10€. 11-20 km/h over costs 30€ (outside city).
I don't know if any of you follow 44teeth on YouTube, but if not I recommend it - 2 guys running a bike-related channel with a good sense of humour.
Anyway they recently did a piece on riding through Europe and one of them got stung by a camera trap in Switzerland. To be fair, he was doing 144km/h in an 80 limit, but the fine was 4000 Swiss francs (about 3000 GBP), payable on the spot and accompanied by an instant 3-month ban (which for him means the bike goes in the back of the support van).
Apparently he was only 2km/h away from 'go straight to jail and lose your bike'.
Strict, eh?
If the Swiss want to speed they come to Germany :coffeescreen:
Interestingly having been pinged by the speed camera we continued on our journey with reckless disregard for the speed limit.
At the weekend having got the headlight flash from the coppers l slowed down and was mindful of my speed.
Which action had the greatest effect on "road safety" ??
Yeah the Swiss are psychos about speed. Or rather, enforcing the limits.
I think (for Citizens at least) it's based on income so the richer people pay more?
I saw an ad for a company which runs self-drive tours in supercars they rent (Ferraris, Lambos etc) and one of their tours is in Switzerland. You gotta wonder :rolleyes:
Another point they made about Switzerland - there are no race tracks there. Apparently there was a big accident some years ago so the government just banned all forms of motor racing.
So you can't go fast on the road and you can't even get it out of your system with a track day. As Andre said, only option is Germany.
If you think of having a "track day" on public roads in Germany is a snap, think again. 2 years of jail, a hefty fine, seizure of vehicle, loss of license.
QuoteThe tightening of the law also targets racers who do not compete against other drivers in an illegal race. ... it will also be possible to punish those who are driving "with unadapted speed and grossly ruthless and inconsiderate" "in order to achieve the highest possible speed".
More or less, the above is a matter of how the authorities interpret the situation.
In the interest of further research l thought l might try 117kph in a 100kph area. $120 secures you confirmation that you did in fact achieve 117kph.
I have done over 50,000 km on our bike without speaking to plod.
Now it appears he only has me.in his sights.
Thought id make the most of the passing lane at the same time as plod was coming toward me. My stupid fault.
Four motorcyclists were killed on Saturday in NZ so they are cracking down on bikes he said. Fair enough.......
Not again Col?? It's all them Tats, long greasy hair & gang patch that draws attention to ya! Best ya shave, cut yer hair & dye it grey & wear respectable clothes & riding gear - then ya might be left alone.
Nope, got that wrong I think, they target you because you'll pay, not just add it to the bill like the yobbos & boy racers.
2 years & the points go, so there's a bright side.
20 damn points !!
Damn Col, that sucks :thumbs_down:
Kiwi, just how many points you get. we have 12 for 3 yrs.
100 points or more in 2 years and its instant 3months loss of license.
Kickin myself......Sunday arvo on State Highway 1
:facepalm: :facepalm:
Well that's better than our Qld system (as grog said). Your points offer more.... 'value' :)
It gets to a point where it's better to have no licence for 3 months, as it all gets reset to zero after that, rather than be strung out for 2 years. Small point accruals don't warrant it, but large accruals in 1 hit do.
$170 and 30 points for 122kph in deepest Wairarapa last month :facepalm: The wife was about to give me a hard time till I reminded here that I wasn't the one caught by the same camera TWICE ON THE SAME DAY :happy1:
Once you crack the +20kmh over it starts getting a bit more expensive.
Nice to have that little fact on hand about your missus Gegs.
My missus has never had a ticket !!
Nothing to be proud of but who holds the record for highest speeding ticket ?? :facepalm: :facepalm:
Pinged at 165k around 25+ years ago, didn't loose me licence either, think the fine was in the order of $550 or something like that.
Only ever had 3 points, got caught by a very keen copper speeding on a Harley in 1987.
For those of you that remember her the old Org, my ex Moth never forgave me for the day she got a speeding ticket on her HD. Her bike was nearly new with working instruments etc & she was following me on my Bonnie (with no working clocks) yet somehow it's my fault she sped through a camera... :lol: