Looking at the Power Commander site, and selecting our bike, only the PCIII-USB is listed.
http://www.powercommander.com/powercommander/powercommander.aspx?mk=21&mdl=182&yr=1333
Does the PC-V not offer any advantages for the 14 ?
with a pcv
you can add an auto tuner and data logging kit so it can self map as you use it
no more trips to the dyno at 300 miles abd £160 a time
I'm going to be fitting a 1250 bandit pcv with lamder sensor .
other have done this and will have liads more info than me
I think the main reason for not listing the 14 is due to the 14s lack of lamder/O2 sensor.. So, in the eyes of a lamen, the compatability isnt there.. However its actualy quite straight forward and easy process to add one to the 14. So compatability is 100% there. Simples..
The 14 was out of production when the PCV was introduced, I think that might be the reason wij the 14 isnt listed anymore. - could have made a wrong assumption though.
A lambda sensor is placed very quickly and only needed for the autotune function / module btw.
Hi
I started a tread at the old .org about fitting a PCV on a GSX1400 using a Bandit 1250 unit together with a wideband lambda, so far i done around 25000km with this kit, biggest issue i had was in the beginning with a very nervous idle done by a electrical inteference of putting the earth cable on the battery as the manual said. when i moved it close to the earth input on the ECU the problem dissapeard. kompleted the kit with a LCD-200 display so i se what happens on the fly, thogether with all the other mods on my bike i now have 168 rear wheel hp and 160 nm of tourqe :cool: :cool: .(1550cc kit, webcams, 37mm trottlebodys hicomp pistons, modified head, acra fullsystem, and open air filters without the airbox and ofquose the PCV :).
As said here before in the thread the PCV was never launced to the GSX1400 probably as the model was not in produktion at the time of release. so i started to investigate with one was most similar of all other bikes and when i saw that the connectors for the injectors was the same on the Bandit 1250 i ordered one and hope for the best :). as a note both moddels for the bandit 1250 and gsx1250 fitts only difference is that the newest one contains a dummyplugg for the original narrowband lambda that you dont use anyway :).
Cheers Magnus aka Maveric
Welcome along Maveric :onya:
Thanks Mav !
Sounds like you have a great setup with that bike.
I found a company that can get 160+bhp out of a GSX1400 (BIG BORE KIT ETC ETC) ... all I'd have to do is pay them $10,000... :lol:
Quote from: Maveric on Monday, 13 February 2017, 07:59 AM
Hi
I started thel tread at the old .org about fitting a PCV on a GSX1400 using a Bandit 1250 unit together with a wideband lambda, so far i done around 25000km with this kit, biggest issue i had was in the beginning with a very nervous idle done by a electrical inteference of putting the earth cable on the battery as the manual said. when i moved it close to the earth input on the ECU the problem dissapeard. kompleted the kit with a LCD-200 display so i se what happens on the fly, thogether with all the other mods on my bike i now have 168 rear wheel hp and 160 nm of tourqe :cool: :cool: .(1550cc kit, webcams, 37mm trottlebodys hicomp pistons, modified head, acra fullsystem, and open air filters without the airbox and ofquose the PCV :).
As said here before in the thread the PCV was never launced to the GSX1400 probably as the model was not in produktion at the time of release. so i started to investigate with one was most similar of all other bikes and when i saw that the connectors for the injectors was the same on the Bandit 1250 i ordered one and hope for the best :). as a note both moddels for the bandit 1250 and gsx1250 fitts only difference is that the newest one contains a dummyplugg for the original narrowband lambda that you dont use anyway :).
Cheers Magnus aka Maveric
Welcome Mavrick. I´m looking for you grounding PC V photo. Can you post it here again? I don´t like searching in wiring diagrams. BR Vici
Quote from: V_i_c_i on Monday, 13 February 2017, 05:43 PM
Quote from: Maveric on Monday, 13 February 2017, 07:59 AM
Hi
I started thel tread at the old .org about fitting a PCV on a GSX1400 using a Bandit 1250 unit together with a wideband lambda, so far i done around 25000km with this kit, biggest issue i had was in the beginning with a very nervous idle done by a electrical inteference of putting the earth cable on the battery as the manual said. when i moved it close to the earth input on the ECU the problem dissapeard. kompleted the kit with a LCD-200 display so i se what happens on the fly, thogether with all the other mods on my bike i now have 168 rear wheel hp and 160 nm of tourqe :cool: :cool: .(1550cc kit, webcams, 37mm trottlebodys hicomp pistons, modified head, acra fullsystem, and open air filters without the airbox and ofquose the PCV :).
As said here before in the thread the PCV was never launced to the GSX1400 probably as the model was not in produktion at the time of release. so i started to investigate with one was most similar of all other bikes and when i saw that the connectors for the injectors was the same on the Bandit 1250 i ordered one and hope for the best :). as a note both moddels for the bandit 1250 and gsx1250 fitts only difference is that the newest one contains a dummyplugg for the original narrowband lambda that you dont use anyway :).
Cheers Magnus aka Maveric
Welcome Mavrick. I´m looking for you grounding PC V photo. Can you post it here again? I don´t like searching in wiring diagrams. BR Vici
Hi Vici i have a look tomorrow i think i have the pic on my old worklaptop if not i can always go out and take a new one ;).
Cheers Maveric
Quote from: VladTepes on Monday, 13 February 2017, 09:41 AM
Thanks Mav !
Sounds like you have a great setup with that bike.
I found a company that can get 160+bhp out of a GSX1400 (BIG BORE KIT ETC ETC) ... all I'd have to do is pay them $10,000... :lol:
Hi Vlad
No it's not cheap to mod your bike this way but quite fun and scary at the same tiime , for example when you doing a powerrun on the road trying to logg the fuel going from idle to max rpm in fourth gear and notice that the frontwheel leaves the road at 8000rpm :shocked: :shocked:, was almost upp a meter before i got to ease of the trottle The speed hmmm you can image that i think :imrgreen:. but overall i got a very gentle bike if you go ease on the trottle and at the same time if you not do that :devil: :devil:.
Cheers Maveric
Don't get me wrong Mav - if I had the $ I'd be booking in immediately !
Blubber where in the exhaust is that lambda sensor?
Quote from: VladTepes on Wednesday, 15 February 2017, 10:16 AM
Don't get me wrong Mav - if I had the $ I'd be booking in immediately !
Blubber where in the exhaust is that lambda sensor?
Sorry, missed this one.
It is located in the link pipe below the front sprocket. It measures the combined gases of cylinder 1 and 2.
Is that a 4-2 system?
Ina 4-1 wouldn't it be better to use the sensor in the combined flow from all cylinders?
Quote from: VladTepes on Friday, 17 February 2017, 10:33 PM
Is that a 4-2 system?
Ina 4-1 wouldn't it be better to use the sensor in the combined flow from all cylinders?
I did consider that.
From what i read the best location would be 1.0 meter from the exhaust port. ( temperature wise )
I used this as a reference http://wbo2.com/lsu/LsuInstal.pdf (http://wbo2.com/lsu/LsuInstal.pdf)
i looked at other 14's with a lambda sensor, my location isn't uncommon.
But it is a akrapovic, 4 in to 2 into 1 system.
Mine too. So how did you mod the pipe actually - just get a piece of stainless drilled and tapped and weld that in ???
Yep. Drill hole in the link pipe and weld bung.
For that: determine the best location including the preferred angle of the sensor vs available space.
The Autotune kit has a mild steel weld in bung included. I didn't use that one.
I bought a stainless steel one with a chamfered end, so i could weld it very easy.
I install mine like this:
Gonna try and get mine fitted next week... Im not doing it though... I will be paying a man.. :popcorn:
Want to share my experience with PCV with autotune AT-200.
Have it since previous spring, so ~5000 km. Not much but still enough for having some opinion.
It's not super-easy to make a map, what will work as you desire. You need to try and try and try, comparing results before and after changes. And you have ride quite much, to have average values during autotune leaning cycle. So it's time consuming protsedure.
Other very important thing - what is your usual revs during riding? I guess 2-5.5k... At least, it's mine usual range. It does not mean, I never have my revs at 8k, but not for a long time. All accelerations are not taking long time, and then I'm on 5-6 gear, doing 3-5k revs. Autotune read lambda values, averages them, and make corrections to map, but if you are not raiding much on some revs, system will simply not be able to create a map for those revs.
This is what hapend with mine. Take a look on my dyno run chart. I have full akra and just 104 PS peak. But looking on Air/Fuel ratio, you will see, what after 5k AFR is going lean. And lean mean less power.
And less then 5k revs, AFR is preaty much what I want to have at this time.
So, my conclusion - autotune, could help you get better milage for your bike, by it's pretty hard to tune PCV to get more power by using it. Will not say, it's not possible, just sharing my experience.
As for me, I will go to dyno stand (when our weather will allow me to ride) to get my bike tuned for max power, and have it as a second map on my PCV. First map will be eco :happy1:, cruising map, made by using autotune.
Hope, my post make sense.
Please do not judge hard :hat:
What you said makes perfectly sense to me:
Dyno time is still needed for the higher revolutions.
Given this has some interesting technical info, I've pegged this as "Tech Tip" and stickied this thread, so its easier to find in future. I've also moved it to Fuelling as that's where the other PC-V info resides.
Hi all,
I´m the owner of beautiful black K3 GSX-14 and I´m thinking about mounting open mufflers and PC-V with autotune module on it and since the original collector pipes are going to stay on bike the question is whether the AT-200 with just one lambda sensor is enough, because it will measure exhaust gasses only from two cylinders? I´m asking because if there is some failure on other two injectors then that sensor will be unable to find out ..
Thanks for the answers or explanations :-)
Quote from: northern on Monday, 27 February 2017, 03:52 AM
Want to share my experience with PCV with autotune AT-200.
Have it since previous spring, so ~5000 km. Not much but still enough for having some opinion.
It's not super-easy to make a map, what will work as you desire. You need to try and try and try, comparing results before and after changes. And you have ride quite much, to have average values during autotune leaning cycle. So it's time consuming protsedure.
Other very important thing - what is your usual revs during riding? I guess 2-5.5k... At least, it's mine usual range. It does not mean, I never have my revs at 8k, but not for a long time. All accelerations are not taking long time, and then I'm on 5-6 gear, doing 3-5k revs. Autotune read lambda values, averages them, and make corrections to map, but if you are not raiding much on some revs, system will simply not be able to create a map for those revs.
This is what hapend with mine. Take a look on my dyno run chart. I have full akra and just 104 PS peak. But looking on Air/Fuel ratio, you will see, what after 5k AFR is going lean. And lean mean less power.
And less then 5k revs, AFR is preaty much what I want to have at this time.
So, my conclusion - autotune, could help you get better milage for your bike, by it's pretty hard to tune PCV to get more power by using it. Will not say, it's not possible, just sharing my experience.
As for me, I will go to dyno stand (when our weather will allow me to ride) to get my bike tuned for max power, and have it as a second map on my PCV. First map will be eco :happy1:, cruising map, made by using autotune.
Hope, my post make sense.
Please do not judge hard :hat:
I think that problem with power is not Autotune module problem but your bad AFR table problem ...
Quote from: V_i_c_i on Saturday, 01 July 2017, 03:56 AM
I think that problem with power is not Autotune module problem but your bad AFR table problem ...
For sure, power is because AFR was bad, and nobody is telling autotune itself have a problem.
Autotune ajust fuel table on the revs bike is running. The more bikes run, the better the table is. Max power on our bike with standart bore nad standart cams is on ~7000-7500 rpm. AFR was bad, because 7k rpm is not engine speed I use a lot in my regular runs. Because of this, autotume is not able to ajast AFR the way I want it.
OK, just need to clear something up just in case people still think as i was once told on the old org.. There was a post on the old org stating that you need a lamda sensor for a PC-V.. This is NOT true. you NO NOT need to fit a lamda sensor to your bike if you want to fit a PC-V. The only time you need a Lamda is if you wantto run an autotune system as well. Otherwise its just as simple as a PC-III. I actually have one of the first 1400 specifi PC-Vs sold in the UK which may be up for grabs if i cant fix the bloody engine!
Quote from: Proteous on Saturday, 01 July 2017, 06:57 PM
OK, just need to clear something up just in case people still think as i was once told on the old org.. There was a post on the old org stating that you need a lamda sensor for a PC-V.. This is NOT true. you NO NOT need to fit a lamda sensor to your bike if you want to fit a PC-V. The only time you need a Lamda is if you wantto run an autotune system as well. Otherwise its just as simple as a PC-III. I actually have one of the first 1400 specifi PC-Vs sold in the UK which may be up for grabs if i cant fix the bloody engine!
I will also add, what autotune is not correcting Power Commander fuel map itself.
Beginning using Autotune, you have to create AFR target table - the way you desire you AFR fuel table will look like in the end. For example - all revs on all throttle positions =13. Then, running your bike, autotune constantly measure (using lambda) the AFT at used throttle position and revs, making corrections comparing target value and current Power Commander map value. The more you ride, the more Autotune have chances to make correction table more presise. After some time (IMHO, not earlier then 200+ km), using power commander management software, this correction map can be applied to used PC map, making it closer to the AFR table you desire.
Before having autotune, I was assuming it's corrects the map "on a fly", but not - you have to accept it manually. BTW, there is smartphone app from Dunojet, what allows to accept correction table and also change maps without LapTop, but I never actually use it (even it's installed in my phone :) )
Android: https://goo.gl/CQDzkq (have no idea about iphone)
Hope, my comment is understandable :hat: