Not sure if most of you know that Phillips screws on our 14 , not really that many, arent Phillips screws. JIS is their name, simply Japanese Industry Standard. Have a google at the difference. JIS drivers do work way better in them, more grip. All i got yrs ago was a set of bits to fit in impact driver, only use on initial undo and retighten, Phillips works fine otherwise.
Well said old boy !
Great point Grog... to be honest I didn't realise how many variations there are on this 'type' of screw until I looked it up on Wikipedia! I have screw bits in many shapes/sizes but small wonder I end up with 'chewed' screw heads... :doh: Not on my 14 of course - there I take great care :whistling:
Yes I wish more people knew about this.
I invested in a couple of the proper screwdrivers like these:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JIS-Screwdriver-Set-Vessel-Megadora-P1-P2-and-P3-12705-6-8-/171753460588
Absolutely brilliant when you are working on old Japanese classics, you'll wonder why you didn't do it years ago.
I've got a box of machine screws with proper heads & just swap them as I go. Bloody daft japs using the wrong screwdrivers, it's like those yanks who failed to use proper Imperial gallons etc.
Quote from: Hooli on Thursday, 20 September 2018, 09:58 PM
I've got a box of machine screws with proper heads & just swap them as I go. Bloody daft japs using the wrong screwdrivers, it's like those yanks who failed to use proper Imperial gallons etc.
or those daft people using Km instead of miles :stir: :whistling:
Exactly, that's bloody french & who wants to talk that? :whatever:
Maybe that's why they think thier bikes are faster using those km's things instead of proper miles.
:stir:
Back on thread
It makes a massive difference using the correct
J.I.S. screwdrivers .
:cheers:
:popcorn: C'mon lil4399...where are you? :popcorn:
Well, for what it's worth, I like the metric system. All in "10's" not 12's, 14's & 16's. Ounces, pounds, stone, hundredweight on & on. Then you have the yank version called the same but is a different measure again??! There's farthings, hapenneys, pennys, sixpence which is 5 cents, shilling, 12 pennys but 10 cents, florin, half a crown, crown, a different sort of pound but called the same, dunno what comes after pounds? Then ya look at land area?? all those different names for stuff, how many perches are there to an acre?
Metric is a FAR easier and more logical system. Come on, try and at least get into the 20th century, those old measures belong in the dark ages - you'll catch up one day.
Metric is obviously easy as the french understand it ;)
Quote from: Hooli on Friday, 21 September 2018, 02:43 AM
Metric is obviously easy as the french understand it ;)
@Hooli ... you like the French...I can tell :rofl2:
@KiwiCol .. totally with you mate.. after all that's why you've got 10 digits on your hands right? :happy1:
Quote from: ARH on Friday, 21 September 2018, 02:53 AM
@Hooli ... you like the French...I can tell :rofl2:
What gives it away? :whistling:
Quote from: ARH on Friday, 21 September 2018, 02:53 AM
Quote from: Hooli on Friday, 21 September 2018, 02:43 AM
Metric is obviously easy as the french understand it ;)
@Hooli ... you like the French...I can tell :rofl2:
@KiwiCol .. totally with you mate.. after all that's why you've got 10 digits on your hands right? :happy1:
Yep, so we can count proper like. Now what were they counting when they came up with those 12's & 14's?
The old imperial system did give us good sayings though, Miles of smiles. Tons of fun, Penny for your thoughts, Look after your pennies & the pounds will look after themselves. I've not heard of metric equivalent of these
Quote from: Hooli on Friday, 21 September 2018, 02:57 AM
Quote from: ARH on Friday, 21 September 2018, 02:53 AM
@Hooli ... you like the French...I can tell :rofl2:
What gives it away? :whistling:
So no Citroen or Peugeot for you then Hooli? The new 3007 in diesel is a cracking wee car.
I was given a Renault once, I felt ripped off. It was really that bad!
@KiwiCol ... you're right.... 'going the extra kilometre' doesn't really work does it.. :rofl2:
You've had that up before Tony! :rofl2: Love it & use it myself now! :onya: :onya:
Have found a very sharp small cold chisel and hammer works a treat after some savage has used a worn out incorrect screwdriver and made the head of the screw look like they tried to drill it out.
Not on my lovely bike though :onya:
My missis reckons using metric or imperial measurements makes no difference........ l am still a fat bastard. :bugga:
That made me smile fruit.... a man of many kilopounds then... :whistling: Same as most of us I reckon...
Quote from: Hooli on Thursday, 20 September 2018, 10:17 PM
Exactly, that's bloody french & who wants to talk that? :whatever:
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Oh and you, without it you lose 55% of your language. :lol:
Quote from: KiwiCol on Friday, 21 September 2018, 03:17 AM
The old imperial system did give us good sayings though, Miles of smiles. Tons of fun, Penny for your thoughts, Look after your pennies & the pounds will look after themselves. I've not heard of metric equivalent of these
The cops here had an anti-speeding ad that said "Every K over is a killer"
Shortly followed by my mate producing stickers that said "Every K over is a thriller".
having been metric a long time i find us Aussies strange in some ways. most a lot would say. mpg is still a favourite. a persons height, yeah hes around 6 foot. car or bike makes horsepower not kilowatts. foot pounds is usual in my trade for torque wrench. Most everything else is in metric. i weigh myself in kg, my speed is kph, my pool is litres, my bike takes litres of fuel and oil. if you just missed , its by mm. my house is so many sq. metres. my fence is in metres. my brain, they havent found a measurment that small. :lol:
For height, if they're young I give it to them in feet & inches, if they're older, I give it to them in metric, then I say "in old money i'm 6'5" & they get it.
Back in the seventies and eighties we used to change all the JIS frame and engine bolts for Allen key sets.
I found this in the shed today and I reckon it is 40 years old and there is still some stuff in it.
My old man throws out nothing and it great because I'm finding all my old shit from years ago.
The poms will be the ones to recognize these.
I reckon ours are Philips and not JIS ! Maybe if we had a bike from the 60´s/70´s they´d be JIS. I´m still not certain but after a lot of googling I come to think JIS is extint nowadays. Take a look at this article and especially the comments section where they talk about the srewdrivers manufacturers, Hozan and Vessel(https://www.webbikeworld.com/hozan-jis-screwdrivers-review/ (https://www.webbikeworld.com/hozan-jis-screwdrivers-review/)). I read a lot of stuff about this. Had a detailed look at the Japanese tool makers that used to make and sell JIS and found no reference to JIS. I was looking to buy JIS but not any more. Always used Philps with no probelems.
When I was a pipe layer inearthworks I had a huge Maori on my crew. He was about my age so knew both metric and imperial.
It was quite normal to hear cries of "2 inches to me......... a couple of mill higher"
We mix both measurements when it suited.
Who wants to race 402m at the drags though.
That'll always be 440 / 1320 to me.
Mankinds greatest achievement was convincing girls that centimetres were inches.
I'm not sure when the the metric system actually started because the Romans used the term "Decimate", when 1 in 10 soldiers of a legion would be put to the sword if the the legion had fled the battlefield or shown extreme cowardice.
I believe decimal measurements (in the modern sense) were invented by an Englishman but we sensibly rejected them as bloody daft. Then later the french under Napoleon started using them at about the same time they started marching on the wrong side of the road (hence europe drives on the right).
Jeykey, looks like i might be wrong then. Hard to work it all out. My so called JIS bits really do work well. Ill leave it at that.
Don't forget pozi-drive, that's another crossheaded screw.
Hooli, ill let it go. Think im cross headed and screwed up.
Quote from: Jeykey on Saturday, 22 September 2018, 05:40 AM
I reckon ours are Philips and not JIS ! Maybe if we had a bike from the 60´s/70´s they´d be JIS. I´m still not certain but after a lot of googling I come to think JIS is extint nowadays. Take a look at this article and especially the comments section where they talk about the srewdrivers manufacturers, Hozan and Vessel(https://www.webbikeworld.com/hozan-jis-screwdrivers-review/ (https://www.webbikeworld.com/hozan-jis-screwdrivers-review/)). I read a lot of stuff about this. Had a detailed look at the Japanese tool makers that used to make and sell JIS and found no reference to JIS. I was looking to buy JIS but not any more. Always used Philps with no probelems.
I have JIS for my historic japanese bikes, but the best way to get them out of engines is with an impact driver with it's the supplied bits.