I seem to have a problem of my own making:
Some time ago i wired in a cigarette lighter type accessory socket out of idleness direct to the battery, with hindsight it should have been through a fused circuit.
I plugged in a tyre inflator this afternoon and seem to have killed the electrics. There is no response from turning the ignition key except when I withdraw it at which point I get a single needle sweep from both dials.
The fuses seem OK so i guess I have shorted and killed the battery? If there is anything else I can look at the advice would be appreciated.
Pete,
Isn't your battery just near empty?
Those compressors can drain your battery quite fast.. Especially when your engine isn't running.
I don't think so, in fact I don't think the inflator actually ran.
It was the tyre of the GTR I was trying to put a bit of air in. Firstly I plugged it into the GTR's accessory socket The inlfator pulsed briefly and the stopped. Presuming it was just a poor contact in the cigarette lighter type socket on the GTR I pulled up the GSX next to it to tap into the one I fitted under the seat.
I soon realised that there was a problem with the GSX and going back to the GTR I found that the 5a accessory circuit fuse has blown. I'm pretty sure that the inflator is the guilty party.
The GTR was a quick fix, just a new fuse. I think the GSX has come off worse; putting a Datatool charger onto it brought it up the "charged" quite quickly, but still nothing from the key.
Connect the GTR battery to the GSX
Sounds like a blown fuse to me, but if it's wired direct to the battery, it's not running through any fuse, so nothing for the compressor to blow.
Just confirming, both wires for your cigarette lighter socket are on the battery, not using an earth on the bike somewhere?
Those compressors can be very hungry for power, some small ones will run with a 5amp fuse, fair few will run ok using a 10amp, but some go to 15 & upward to 30amps, for a fast high pressure pump. I know from personal experience . . .
I very much doubt you could have done anything major to the bike, if the battery if charged, I'd be checking fuses.
When you say you put the data tool charger on it, did you take the battery out of the bike? or at least disconnect it?
The fact that the compressor didn't run (just briefly until the 5amp fuse blew) would indicate it needs a 10 - 15 amp fuse, should say on the thing how much power it uses.
I'd disconnect the battery from the bike, leave it for 15 - 20 min, (make sure battery is fully charged) & re-install it. See if that re-sets it.
Quote from: Irish in Oz on Sunday, 02 September 2018, 06:03 AM
Connect the GTR battery to the GSX
I'm lucky enough to have a "baby sister" who works at a dealership, she has offered to take the battery in to them for a workshop test if I can't sort it out beforehand.
Quote from: KiwiCol on Sunday, 02 September 2018, 06:04 AM
Sounds like a blown fuse to me, but if it's wired direct to the battery, it's not running through any fuse, so nothing for the compressor to blow.
Just confirming, both wires for your cigarette lighter socket are on the battery, not using an earth on the bike somewhere?
Those compressors can be very hungry for power, some small ones will run with a 5amp fuse, fair few will run ok using a 10amp, but some go to 15 & upward to 30amps, for a fast high pressure pump. I know from personal experience . . .
I very much doubt you could have done anything major to the bike, if the battery if charged, I'd be checking fuses.
When you say you put the data tool charger on it, did you take the battery out of the bike? or at least disconnect it?
The fact that the compressor didn't run (just briefly until the 5amp fuse blew) would indicate it needs a 10 - 15 amp fuse, should say on the thing how much power it uses.
I'd disconnect the battery from the bike, leave it for 15 - 20 min, (make sure battery is fully charged) & re-install it. See if that re-sets it.
Thanks Col.
It's wired to both battery terminals so as you say, I can't see that there would be a fuse to blow.
The Datatool charger is like an Optimate, I have a wired socket fitted to each of the four bikes so it simply plugs in to each during a tour of duty in the garage.
There's nothing to loose in your suggestion though, I'll whip the battery out tomorrow and put a "man size" charger on it on the bench. I'll take that hard wired accessory socket off it whilst I am at it as well......
It does sounds to me like a cooked battery - I too have a Datatool charger and yes they can show a battery as charged but the battery can effectively be stuffed as holding insufficient charge. Maybe try putting a meter across the battery (before you try charging it anymore) to see what sort of reading you get as if the charge across the battery isn't continuous - maybe due to a buckled plate or something - then it's not going to run.
So here's how it went:
I took out the plastic tray that sits over the battery and found that the accessory socket did have an in-line fuse, so i had not been quite as reckless as it thought - nothing wrong with it though, and even if it had blown I can't see why it would have affected the bike's main system.
The battery was disconnected and withdrawn and put on the car charger, as I expected it came up as "ready" straight away.
I took out every fuse again and checked them for a second time - all intact.
After half an hour I dropped the battery back in, reconnected everything and thumbed the starter - it fired up straight away.
I have no idea about what went on. I does seem though that if in doubt, fiddle around aimlessly for an hour - you may fix it accidentally.
Thanks for the support though guys.
Pete.
That is wierd!
But well done Pete, glad its all sorted! :clapping: :clapping:
we often do resets at work on cars. just like turning phone or tablet off, let it reboot. disconnect a batt lead, wire neg to positive for a minute or so. refit, turn on key a couple of minutes, start it up. drains all the power from system, forces a reboot. is called Can Bus reset. amazing how often it works. we get lots of cars confused by parking under power lines, near phone towers, even garage remotes, wireless headphones etc. bar code readers in shops, fluro lights. 14 doesnt have a CAN system but does have ECU mercedes , mid 2000s models, have ECU sim capacity to 14, they are one of the worst affected around interference. just a thought.
Quote from: grog on Monday, 03 September 2018, 07:21 PM
we often do resets at work on cars. just like turning phone or tablet off, let it reboot. disconnect a batt lead, wire neg to positive for a minute or so. refit, turn on key a couple of minutes, start it up. drains all the power from system, forces a reboot. is called Can Bus reset. amazing how often it works. we get lots of cars confused by parking under power lines, near phone towers, even garage remotes, wireless headphones etc. bar code readers in shops, fluro lights. 14 doesnt have a CAN system but does have ECU mercedes , mid 2000s models, have ECU sim capacity to 14, they are one of the worst affected around interference. just a thought.
Now come on, do you convince the unlucky customer that you have performed some wizardry and then charge the £350? :smile2:
Quote from: Rynglieder on Tuesday, 04 September 2018, 03:40 AM
Quote from: grog on Monday, 03 September 2018, 07:21 PM
we often do resets at work on cars. just like turning phone or tablet off, let it reboot. disconnect a batt lead, wire neg to positive for a minute or so. refit, turn on key a couple of minutes, start it up. drains all the power from system, forces a reboot. is called Can Bus reset. amazing how often it works. we get lots of cars confused by parking under power lines, near phone towers, even garage remotes, wireless headphones etc. bar code readers in shops, fluro lights. 14 doesnt have a CAN system but does have ECU mercedes , mid 2000s models, have ECU sim capacity to 14, they are one of the worst affected around interference. just a thought.
Now come on, do you convince the unlucky customer that you have performed some wizardry and then charge the £350? :smile2:
We had a small business telephone system that kept locking up and needing a reboot - usually took 30 seconds but somehow this installation took nearly an hour !! we did it for free because the unit was fitted in the changing room of a womans lingerie shop :) :) :)
That's what makes the world go round Pete!
But Grog wouldn't be like that, the fix would be free, (leaves a good feeling) just pay for the call out & time. (fair enough) Call out & time . . .£350.
You lucky ole goat Notty!! :happy1: :rofl2:
Quote from: KiwiCol on Tuesday, 04 September 2018, 03:49 AM
You lucky ole goat Notty!! :happy1: :rofl2:
Col u wudnt believe it - they were in the changing rooms asking did they look good in the "kit" and I was a lot younger then - I bought the guy who put it there a pint every time I saw him :)
Being the gentleman you are, I hope you offered to help the ladies with the fitting thereof . . . :drool: :cheers: