asking for help. after a couple of near misses/road rage, thinking maybe i need a camera. do i need to spend big bucks on go pro or are cheapies any good? 32g card recod for cheapies, how much recording is that? when card is full, do just empty it it to pc? seems a lot to put on pc. all help appreciated. thanks , Grog.
Well i have a go pro 3 great bit of kit but a bit on the big side to use as a dash cam i also have a very small dash cam and its brilliant !... when the card is full it just re records over the top starting from the earliest recordings and so on ....
But the down side is there not waterproof and the go pro is ! Amazon have a huge collection to choose from £10 to £110 .
I have a €30 cheaply, has waterproof case, bought 4 batteries off ebay with charger for €12, change them after 1.5 hrs.
Not Holywood quality but more than good enough for me. Have bought another to fit on the rear.
I had used a cheap helmet cam for over year when I was riding.
I had an accident and the poxy thing didn't record the accident so liability is still dragging on!! :jack:
I've seen good things about the innov c3(spelling).
When I get my gsx1400 on the road gonna get a front and rear "dashcam" on the bike and a helmet cam.
I've seen those drift cameras seem the best.
I was never a fan of those go pro shape on the helmet. Those bullet shape ones seem the best to me.
Don't skimp on a cam if you can as only need one accident and it will pay for itself 10 times over :onya:
That's why I've got a front and rear dashcam in the car. Cover me arse everyway!
I've been using an SJ4000 with 32Gb memory card for the last three years now. It cost me around £35. Full HD and the results speak for themselves.
No need to spend silly money on a GoPro.
Be careful though as they are some really nasty cheap SJ4000 copies out there and they are crap.
I usually ride with it lid mounted, but decided to rear face it for a change in this clip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_HnldNNEXU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnHDu-oW7_Y
OK, for dash cam purposes DO NOT use an action camera of any kind.. You will very quickly tire of wiping it and fitting and removing it and you will very soon realise that an action cam of any kind is just not practical.. I use a GoPro which is amazing for riding vids but i would never rely on it for dash cam purposes...
So, what are your options??? Someone mentioned the Innov V.. Thats a great bit of kit and comes with front and rear cams.. Not sure about your laws but here a rear cam is not quite as important as ANY rear collision is never your fault and so would never be argued.. My current choice of dash cams is this one https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nextbase-Ride-Motorcycle-Bike-Cam-Video-Camera-GPS-HD-1080P-IPx6-Waterproof/302005464322?epid=1541972471&hash=item4650edad02:g:zlYAAOSwanRXgWKt
The Nextbase ride is a wicked product and you just fit it and never need to worry about it.
But only 4 hours recording - and it looks quite bulky as well (plus it won't fit to 28mm handlebars like my Triumph has with its standard mount, and a RAM mount has nowhere to go with the screen on). I like Nextbase products - have them in the cars - but whilst this looks good, it's just too big for me. Currently I have twin GoPro 3's, but am swapping to the Innov V with 128Gb of memory which stores a heck of a lot more and is less obtrusive.
I was very close to purchasing the Innovv (https://www.innovv.com/innovv-k2) system as barmy has said above - you can set it up to continuously record on start of your bike, fix 2 cameras that are small and unobtrusive and is GPS enabled. Great way to cover yourself. I didn't end spending the $$ because I no longer commute and could not justify the expense.
Thanks fellas, have taken notice.
I'm in a couple of ride groups where they are "banned".
No one is welcome with one.
Might be OK for commuting but I don't want one around me on a Sunday.
I suppose they could be used to incriminate the user on a SUNDAY :onya:
First thing the police do is confiscate the memory card, chap went to prison for two years a little while back based only on his own camera evidence. If you are going to use one you have to be squeaky clean or you're just inviting problems, I like the idea but I don't always stick to the speed limits so do without.
point taken. if i got one, think id be in trouble very easily. thanks for that. idea now canned.
Quote from: mjgt on Thursday, 05 July 2018, 06:52 PM
First thing the police do is confiscate the memory card, chap went to prison for two years a little while back based only on his own camera evidence. If you are going to use one you have to be squeaky clean or you're just inviting problems, I like the idea but I don't always stick to the speed limits so do without.
Yes but he was daft enough to include his speedo in the picture :facepalm: ......mine is so mounted that it doesn't pick up the speedo at all :onya:
There are a dearth of places to mount a camera on a GSX1400.
Doesn't matter if you can see the speedo with that Innovv one - the blurb says "Speed and location-data are logged in each video file".
Think I best steer clear of them too! :whistling:
:cheers:
It can only log speed and location data if the GPS is enabled.
Yep they will only record what you tell them too. Avoiding using one because YOU break the law is particularly silly. All ANYONE is intereted in is the information stord refering to any incidents.
If an officer catches you speeding they cant touch your camera, its out of bounds to the law. If you make a video of yourself commiting an offense and then post it all over youtube then you are putting that evidence into the public domain and so the video can be secured for evidence and used against you.. Its simple, turn off GPS and dont show your clocks, its not rocket science.. Could mean the difference between your family knowing the truth about that twat that hit you or "Sorry officer i didnt see him he was going about 160mph in the 30.. I wasnt on my phone officer"
If I'm having a bit of fun on a Sunday morning and get stopped by a grumpy officer of the law, or in one of our clamp downs (lots of fatalities here) he can seize my camera if he suspects it has evidence or proof to back him up.
Maybe it doesn't show the speed but I really don't want a recording of every move I and my mates do over a few hours thanks. As I posted earlier, I have mates who ride with a strict "no go-pro" rule. You don't need to be an idiot to upset the law, unless I'm the only one on here who's not wearing a "POLITE" hi-viz vest and white crash helmet?
Personal choice. Not for me.
https://motorbikewriter.com/police-ask-camera/
"In some places, such as America, police may first have to obtain a search warrant. In Australia, they don't"
As far as I know, the UK is similar if a cop thinks / assumes / believes a camera contains evidence of an illegal act. ANY spirited ride WILL contain an illegal act.
https://www.bikelawyer.co.uk/site/mcn-law-columns/can-the-police-seize-my-camera-footage
https://www.provisioncameramatics.com/vehicle-cameras-law-can-police-seize-camera-footage/amp/
EDIT: The above is just explaining my choice. Not after an argument. We all make our own choices, feel free to disagree, just explains how I make mine..
Same over this side Tony. They can 'if they believe' there is evidence to be had, they can, hold it, & get a search warrant, and use whatever they find, to be of benefit to them.
Thanks for helping everyone. Have decided best thing to do is buy a Harley & dash cam. Speeding wont be a problem. Maybe stopping at lights might be, overun the line and red light cam gets me, just drag my feet harder. Dash Cam should vibrate to pieces in 1/2 hr. Problem solved.
Quote from: mjgt on Thursday, 05 July 2018, 06:52 PM
First thing the police do is confiscate the memory card, chap went to prison for two years a little while back based only on his own camera evidence. If you are going to use one you have to be squeaky clean or you're just inviting problems, I like the idea but I don't always stick to the speed limits so do without.
This is the one thing that worries me as I commute with mine on all the time...And I don't ride slowly!! :shocked:
Quote from: Proteous on Wednesday, 04 July 2018, 10:03 PM
Not sure about your laws but here a rear cam is not quite as important as ANY rear collision is never your fault and so would never be argued.
It's rare, but I have seen exceptions.
A mate driving his truck-n-dog (gravel truck with a trailer) and was going down a hill to the traffic lights at Carindale here in Brisbane (locals will know it), lights went red, he was loaded up with 20 ton of road base but gave himself room to stop at the lights.
A car came howling up the turning lane and cut in front of him so it could go straight ahead and be first off the lights. He bulldozed it into the intersection over the lights.
The driver was ranting about being hit from behind but even the cops agreed that the car driver was at fault and although it dragged on for a while the truck driver was never charged.
Too many dipshits cut in front of trucks and expect them to stop on a dime. :jack:
I'm pretty sure if a gard/policeman wants to do you for speeding/dangerous driving you having a cam or won't make a blind bit of difference ,he's gonna do you.
With cams like the innov how is a policeman gonna know you have one? They can be hidden and are quite small.
To me the benefits out way the negatives.
On this side I've never heard of a gard taking an action camera.
Probably different on the other side of the world tho.
I ride with one from time to time, particularly when commuting as I just might capture some footage which can get some idiot driver 'spoken to' or even fined regarding dangerous behaviour.
I have one on weekend rides sometimes, generally not. Mostly due to laziness.
I'd just respect what others on the ride had as their 'rules'. Makes no difference to me.
But before I can use mine again I need to get another camera mount (mine broke) and figure out a better place to mount it.
My recordings tend to be made when I'm touring rather than for accident evidence. The day will come when I am too old and haggard to lift the bike of the side stand and I want to a least be able to re-live some of the roads I have ridden and places I have visited whilst looking at a TV screen in the Old Folks Home.
The biggest frustration is the lack of battery life in most units, none of them will cover you leaving your hotel in the morning until you arrive at the next for your evening beer. Thats's why I have just purchased an Innovv C5 (single lens); purely because it can be wired into the bike's electrics and will turn its self on and off with the ignition. I just need a pocket full of micro SD cards and to remember to change them each day.
I have just been editing down the video from my trip to Norway - this was taken with a "cheapy" and whilst the video quality is not great it is the stuff it never recorded because the battery expired that is my real frustration.
I have not fitted the Innovv yet, it only arrived on Friday and its probably going to be a week or two before I find time to plumb it in and play with it. I'll let you know how it performs when I can.
Pete.
c5 has me interested. report will be good. k1 is a step up but not needed. hard wiring is a bonus. i gather a 64g card will give around 13 hrs ?
My son fitted the C5 to his bike, front and rear camera, not for shinanagans but as dash cam footage for idiots.
This is the closest I have my Hero3 black
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7Rs1nLurwsc
Quote from: grog on Thursday, 02 August 2018, 07:23 PM
c5 has me interested. report will be good. k1 is a step up but not needed. hard wiring is a bonus. i gather a 64g card will give around 13 hrs ?
Pretty close to that grog, depends how you set the camera up (1080, 720 etc) - myself for general running I use 720, gives good enough detail in case of idiots etc and uses les space, but if I want to do a video, I up it to 1080, which gives about 7 -8 hours
I have a brand new goppro 3 black been sitting in my a cupboard for over a year now .... i realy need to get it out and have a play and get it set up on the 14 , im not the most tek minded person but i supose its a case of plug and play !
Quote from: shanered6 on Saturday, 11 August 2018, 04:41 PM
I have a brand new goppro 3 black been sitting in my a cupboard for over a year now .... i realy need to get it out and have a play and get it set up on the 14 , im not the most tek minded person but i supose its a case of plug and play !
Well if you have any problems setting it up, I have 2 x GoPro 3's I use on mine. Good little cameras.
Thanks barmy ..... i will give it a go and no doubt i will have plenty of questions :doh:
I have a Tom Tom bandit brand new in the box for 12 months... :bugga:
Why is it you realy need something when you see it and when you buy it .... it sits in a draw for a year :confused1:
I'm also guilty of having stuff I bought sit in drawers for years... :embarassed:
I dont wear drawers to keep anything in them...
contour contour contour. cant go wrong I take it everywhere
Ive just got a load of stuff to put on the 14 so i think when im at it im going to find a nice spot to mount the gopro , not the easiest of bikes to find safe mounting positions ?
Quote from: shanered6 on Friday, 17 August 2018, 09:59 PM
Ive just got a load of stuff to put on the 14 so i think when im at it im going to find a nice spot to mount the gopro , not the easiest of bikes to find safe mounting positions ?
Not cheap, but I bought one of these mounts and attached it to my mirror stem
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motorcycle-Bike-Crossbar-Camera-mount-for-the-Go-Pro-Hero-/121157291442?hash=item1c35898db2
@shanered6
That looks quite good i have a mate with a set of mirrors on his KTM that look the same type of thing ..... if its the same then it will be very strong .
I also have my contour mounted on the mirror stem.. makes it dead handy to switch on and off...
Thats the one thing handy with the gopro i have a key phob control for it so it can be mounted anywhere and i can still turn it on and off from the bars .
Quote from: shanered6 on Saturday, 18 August 2018, 07:04 AM
Thats the one thing handy with the gopro i have a key phob control for it so it can be mounted anywhere and i can still turn it on and off from the bars .
Yes so do I - I have both my GoPro's operating off the one fob - not so easy to use though when you are going along as you can't see easily if it has activated the camera without taking yours eyes off the road - personally I no longer use it, choosing instead to manually switch the camera on/off at the camera itself, much easier to d and you can keep your eyes on the road at the same time
this is my helmet cam I took on holiday to darwin.contour roam. ha cant upload the vid as its to big for here but shows my kid swimming in berry springs chasing fish. dump the go pro go contour or drift ghost. way better camera