As you may be aware its kinda hot here in Scotland would go as baw sweaty and Ive tried to lighten my gear as much as possible - got every vent open that I can - but still got leather strides, boots and a light jacket . . . . yip im hot but Im not willing to take a chance as I commute mostly on the motorway (highway to some) and as discussed in another thread driving standards are going down
So imagine my shock when I witnessed today on the M74 a HD with ape hangers wearing a leather waistcoat - denims and an open face lid - everyone to there own but would hate to think of the state of the fella if he comes off
Each to there own and all that stuff but fook no
It's called the Darwin theory
Natural selection with sort it out .
Only problem will be if he comes off as it costs us all to sort his injuries.
I'm amazed when it gets hot of when in Europe the number if biker you see with out gloves.
I have a pair of fully ce marked summer gloves that have mesh in the parts that wouldn't be needed in a crash and I've never had hot hands even when filtering in 40+° of heat in Europe.
:cheers:
Dress for the slide
Not the ride.
Some people don't care.
When they fall off they,ll be moaning and crying about the pain :jack:
During hot days here, the number of bikers I see dressed appropriately are in the minority. A few weeks ago I got tugged for a roadside check (Bike and docs). While I was waiting for them to check exhaust emissions they pulled over an R1 rider....who was wearing T shirt, shorts and flip flops ffs! The Police said nothing to him about the way he was dressed! :whatever: Guy was in his late 30's ... would have thought he would have known better but there you go....
Quote from: ARH on Friday, 29 June 2018, 03:31 AM
During hot days here, the number of bikers I see dressed appropriately are in the minority. A few weeks ago I got tugged for a roadside check (Bike and docs). While I was waiting for them to check exhaust emissions they pulled over an R1 rider....who was wearing T shirt, shorts and flip flops ffs! The Police said nothing to him about the way he was dressed! :whatever: Guy was in his late 30's ... would have thought he would have known better but there you go....
They check for roadside emissions by you?
What happens if you fail?
No Nct/ mot for bikes here :clapping:
Not only emissions, but also check for modifications that are not CE approved/certified, non reported accident damage as well as checking the decibel output of the exhaust! Non compliance is an immediate fine, and if it's serious they can put you off the road there and then. These guys are technical experts supported by the police... bit of a pain to be honest but they were very polite and took a real interest in the 14... they only took 20 mins so no biggie in the end.
Quote from: Suzuki boi on Friday, 29 June 2018, 03:39 AM
Quote from: ARH on Friday, 29 June 2018, 03:31 AM
During hot days here, the number of bikers I see dressed appropriately are in the minority. A few weeks ago I got tugged for a roadside check (Bike and docs). While I was waiting for them to check exhaust emissions they pulled over an R1 rider....who was wearing T shirt, shorts and flip flops ffs! The Police said nothing to him about the way he was dressed! :whatever: Guy was in his late 30's ... would have thought he would have known better but there you go....
They check for roadside emissions by you?
What happens if you fail?
No Nct/ mot for bikes here :clapping:
No mot in Ireland? I thought it was just here :cheers:
Quote from: ARH on Friday, 29 June 2018, 03:31 AM
they pulled over an R1 rider....who was wearing T shirt, shorts and flip flops ffs!
That's extremely common to see here. I'd see at least one most days, and more when out riding on weekends.
The term used here is "squids."
I'm a great believer in "each to his own" and not having others (government) make restrictions to "protect" us.
But yeah, not for me.
Why / how Squids? Looneys & tossers I get, but squids?
Quote from: KiwiCol on Friday, 29 June 2018, 10:36 AM
Why / how Squids? Looneys & tossers I get, but squids?
Stupid
Quick
Underdressed
Imminently
Dead
An extremely rare animal with a short lifespan. Usually a new sport bike enthusiast with the reasoning of a lunatic, whom you might see thrashing on an R1 wearing sandals, shorts, and a tee.
When found lying motionless on the pavement, this creature transforms itself into a stream of blood, exposed flesh, and broken limbs. Hence the squid moniker.
:)
Quote from: KiwiCol on Friday, 29 June 2018, 10:36 AM
Why / how Squids? Looneys & tossers I get, but squids?
Couple of theories
1. to describe the similarity in looks between a crashed motorcycle rider who was not wearing the correct protective attire and the squid sea creature.
2.
Stupid
Quick
Underdressed
Imminently
Dead
3. (which I think the more likely derivation
QuoteThe term "squid" has been used to refer to the US Navy for several decades and many sailors in the 1960's rode motorcycles for transportation. However, the most likely origin of squid, when using the term in relation to a squid motorcycle riders, may link back to surfing in California.
The term "squid" was used by surfers when referring to new young surfers who were riding all over the waves, squirreling around without control. The term was used as a contraction of the words squirrely and kid. The squid sea creature is also unable to easily control movement and must come to nearly a stop in order to change direction before accelerating again.
This meaning was then carried over to the motorcycle community, beginning at the racetracks. When new motorcycle riders were spotted on the racetrack lacking control over the lines that they were riding the squid slang definition was used, they were officially now "motorcycle squids".
It did not take long for squid slang to move from the racetrack out to the streets, where the meaning of the word was somewhat expanded to include almost any rider who lacks common sense either in relation to their riding display, or in their lack of suitable riding attire for the conditions. Quite often motorcycle squid are guilty of both crimes.
https://www.motorbikelicense.com/motorcycle-squid-slang-about-squid-motorcycle-riders/
Gentlemen, thank you! Knowledge & vocabulary increased. Well done. Cheers. :cheers:
I saw a coupe yesterday, ZZR1100 and shorts, t shirt and no gloves, it's nuts. On the other hand I was sweating like Rolf Harris outside a girls school.
just looking at uk super temps. 30 here is really fairly nice. riders without protection just annoys me. some queenslanders here will set me straight but i reckon in summer 75% of riders have shorts, t shirts etc. i always suit up, gloves etc. i use open face helmets, always have, so i guess you can shoot me down for careless. never ride without armoured jacket, gloves , boots. as far as open face, much more vision, anyone want a shoei full face, very nice helmet, 800 when new, no sideways vision. just my way
Just switched from open face helmet to a full Nolan N87. The N87 has a great field of vision, def not less than open face! Rated 4 stars on Sharp test but beats a 5 star helmet (HJC IS-17) narrowly on a German safety test. Price starts at 160€. Ventilation is good. Very quiet compared to the open face. Only annoying thing is that I have to take it off for a smoke.
Andre, your choice. i dont ever offer opinion on helmets, your choice. Nolan make a nice open face im interested in. some would say if my face worn off id be better looking. :grin:
Quote from: grog on Friday, 29 June 2018, 07:33 PM
Andre, your choice. i dont ever offer opinion on helmets, your choice. Nolan make a nice open face im interested in. some would say if my face worn off id be better looking. :grin:
:rofl2: :rofl2:
Field of view on the Nolan's is exceptional.... I have a N104.... best of both worlds (albeit a bit heavy)... simply flip up for a smoke Andre!
I've not worn a full face for years, horrid things. I find they distort the location of noise & that's distracting to me.
Me and the missus were out in car the other day. Approaching a 'T' junction. Cue wrecked bike and 12 wheeler wagon...
Missus brush being an ex nurse offered her help to the injured biker. Gratefully received. Until paramedic arrived. He was fine but just badly shock up. Bike a right mess./write off. 12 wheeler had cut the corner of the junction by about 20 feet wiping him out. He jumped clear when he saw what was going to happen.
Full leathers - not a mark on him. All I got on way home from missus - if I see you put on your jeans one more time. You are gonna get both barrels from me from now on... Point taken.
Biker is fine. We took him home. First accident since he started biking at 16. And he was a month short of his 70th birthday.
Well done to Mrs Brush - Nurses never stop being nurses, my wife is exactly the same
Well done to you for assisting and dropping the fella off after ward - this is what biking is about helping out and what I refer to a brotherhood - its getting rarer and rarer these days
Glad the biker was okay and had the sense to bail out when he did
Hear Hear Del.
Nurses are exeptional people. Well done Mrs Brush.
Pleased the fella was ok.
Bloke was fine. But awfully shock up. He was stopped 20 feet from the line waiting to turn right. Very few people do this manoeuvre. Wagon coming from his left. Biker saw what was gonna happen. He had the foresight to bail to the left. Wagon sliced the corner taking bike with him. It would have killed him otherwise.
Bike totalled. Lad was just sat on the kerb. Trucker was more concerned with the damage to his wagon. Never asked how he was. When all done. Me and police picked bike up. Dear me those BMW adventure bikes weigh something. Figure of eight front wheel did not help matters...
54 years on bike. First accident. He gonna keep in touch. I hope he gets another bike.
And whilst I got also roped into traffic management by plod. I'm not gonna mention gender or age. Two drivers collided with the kerb rubbernecking...
Leathers for me from now on.
I would rather be all sweaty than scraped up... seen too many of my buddies with road rash just cos they wouldn't wear the right gear! My days of just wearing jeans on a bike are long gone :onya:
I do wear demins very occasionally but always leather jacket, short boots, gloves and obviously lid and I know that I am a lot more aware of my surroundings and speeds . . . . . . . . just in case
I wear either leather or textile jackets with armour, plus textile or denim trousers (but if denim, the type with Kevlar lining). I'm not sure how good the Kevlar would be in a slide but it's supposed to be reasonable. Like others have said, sometimes you have to compromise when it's this hot.
I never wear open face helmets though. My dad had a big smash back in the 1960s and to cut a long story short he hit a lamp post with his face. Had full face lids been available back then he would have been OK, but instead he spent months in hospital having his face rebuilt. When it gets really hot I am tempted sometimes, but I take my dad's experience as a lesson.
The Nolan N87 gets my vote as well - the field of view is amazingly wide. I certainly can't notice the sides. Comfortable, not too expensive, well made, comes with a Pinlock. What's not to like?
I got a pair of denim jeans (Highway 1 at Louis) that was recommended by the largest German MC magazine this year. They tested 20 jeans. The one I got, looked like new after the testing. The Kevlar lining didn't even have to show what it can. Cost me 60 €. Too bad they didn't test denim against leather.
Now looking for a leather jacket, the last piece to replace my textile combo. Then I am ready for the fashion show.
Never dropped on the pavement with a motorcycle. Different story with bicycle. Got roadrash several times as well as a torn ligament and a cracked helmet. Oh, and a case of blood poisoning when I fell mountain biking in a Californian desert. Was lucky to stay on the trail though, instead of going over the 15 meter cliff. Maybe I should wear full leather protection when cycling? NOPE!
Answer to that Andre is to stop cycling, just ride the GSX.
Haha, haven't ridden a bicycle since I got the 14 last year in spring :boogie:
A week ago I visited a place where I took a break at a place I cycled a few years ago. Nice shade from the 1000+ year old oak tree.
I love stuff like that! 1000 year old tree! Just amazing, the things that have happened all the while this tree has been growing.
Your bike looks splendid too Andre.
Nice photos Andre. I get the old tree stuff. As you say Col history, if only it could talk.
Quote from: KiwiCol on Tuesday, 03 July 2018, 03:11 AM
I love stuff like that! 1000 year old tree! Just amazing, the things that have happened all the while this tree has been growing.
Your bike looks splendid too Andre.
Thank you Col. My bike is my pride and JOY. Might be "kind of" getting a 2nd bike. My best mate wants a Kawa Zephyr 550. I always liked those small 4 cyl. bikes. He himself can't ride it as he is recovering from 2 broken shoulders. Just wants to have one to look at it. Wants me to test ride it and take it for a spin once and a while to keep it alive, if he gets one. I don't get it but fine with me :)
This tree, the people who live by it - do they know how privileged they are? Just a few houses by the tree. Out in the boonies. Meadows and forests, that's all there is around them. I'd love to live in a place like that. Quiet, except for the cows, goats and dogs. Oh well, I got a nice relatively quiet place now. Heavy city life close by though. Has its advantages too. Just stopped in an electronics market today (after a nice 100 mile ride) and got a new monitor (old one broke) for my PC. Convenience is nice too.
1,000 year old true is indeed truly incredible :)
Great tree!
Must be bloody hot there as it's burnt the topcoat off & just left the primer :stir:
Warp speed tore the b&w right off. B&W not made for galaxy travel speeds :coffeescreen:
:lol: Keep telling yourself that dear
At least mine is not kept together by dirt and gunk :stir:
:popcorn:
Quote from: Andre on Tuesday, 03 July 2018, 11:00 PM
At least mine is not kept together by dirt and gunk :stir:
Told ya, it's a stealth & anti-theft coating. Only failed me once in 11 years.
Just seen on the Ducati forum a lad was killed on the A140 yesterday after having a crash while wearing shorts, t-shirt and flipflops, he was on a big Suzuki, no one from here I hope. It's very sad but either put up with the heat in leathers/bike gear or stay at home.
Quote from: mjgt on Monday, 06 August 2018, 08:39 PM
Just seen on the Ducati forum a lad was killed on the A140 yesterday after having a crash while wearing shorts, t-shirt and flipflops, he was on a big Suzuki, no one from here I hope. It's very sad but either put up with the heat in leathers/bike gear or stay at home.
I have been wearing Kevlar lined jeans and a leather jacket, basically the minimum protection I am prepared to wear - and I am absolutely boiling. Yesterday I waited until 7pm to go out and I was still sweating like a fat girl at a buffet. The air cooled engine doesn't help either, every time you go below 30 it cooks your legs.
But it's things like this poor guy's accident that keep me motivated. Heat is uncomfortable, but it's not as uncomfortable as skin grafts. So I wear the gear and put up with the sweating.
Maybe our cousins in Oz have better lightweight riding gear? Any recommendations?
After several rides in 30+° weather I opted for a break. 3 more days of 30+ I'll use for short maintenance bouts and HP filter mod.
I was out at 6.30am for a run yesterday...home again by 10 just to avoid the boiled lobster effect... I've also been looking for bike gear that was suitable for use in high temps, but it seems that there is very little on the market. I'm absolutely not prepared to sacrifice safety for comfort!
Suzuki, no one from here I hope. It's very sad but either put up with the heat in leathers/
Maybe our cousins in Oz have better lightweight riding gear? Any recommendations?
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Cousin Sweaty here Fishy :)
No, just Kevlar denim jeans & a dririder (quality textile) jacket all year round for me. 40+ on my last Xmas ride but you tough it out for this exact reason.
You can get adventure riding jackets and pants here in NZ. Once you remove the liners they are covered in mesh panels but still have all the shoulder elbow and back protection.
You can get simular clothing here too
:cheers:
Seen leather jackets with perforations
I have dragin jeans Kevlar lined combat trousers and built jeans again Kevlar lined.
Gloves with breathable parts and several jackets with vents or pockets that have mesh panels.
No excuse for not wearing good quality bike kit when it's hot .
:frustrated:
Bullit Kevlar lined jeans and a Triumph leather jacket for me - Also a Yoko jacket which is absolute brilliant quality but now retired I don't ride to work in the rain so no longer used - guess worn only a dozen times and it cost £800 ..... :smile2:
This thread made me wonder - do we need a 'gear review' section in the forum? I know that some gear is regional specific, and that many of don't buy new gear every day, but still might be useful for those searching for that new jacket, gloves etc?
Quote from: ARH on Tuesday, 07 August 2018, 05:17 PM
This thread made me wonder - do we need a 'gear review' section in the forum? I know that some gear is regional specific, and that many of don't buy new gear every day, but still might be useful for those searching for that new jacket, gloves etc?
Up to
@VladTepes but personally I'd sayno, too wide a range of gear on offer and not a question that seems to get asked much on forums generally.
Quote from: gsxbarmy on Tuesday, 07 August 2018, 05:27 PM
Quote from: ARH on Tuesday, 07 August 2018, 05:17 PM
This thread made me wonder - do we need a 'gear review' section in the forum? I know that some gear is regional specific, and that many of don't buy new gear every day, but still might be useful for those searching for that new jacket, gloves etc?
Up to @VladTepes but personally I'd sayno, too wide a range of gear on offer and not a question that seems to get asked much on forums generally.
probably right...'twas just a thought... :onya:
By all means post a review - just post in the relevant forum eg tyres forum or accessories (helmets, clothes etc)
Don't want to divide into too many forums.
If we end up with a large number of reviews a year or so hence then we can always create a sub-forum then and move them all.
But for now I don't think necessary; but I do appreciate that you are thinking of ideas for the forum :onya: