This really boils my p155 - there was a law introduced in 2015 and I've yet to see or hear of anyone getting done on the roads I use - Im not going to bleat on about car drivers seeing someone on a bike - I take a lot of pride in my lane control and almost never undertake so it takes a lot of mirror signal maneuvers to go from the inside to the middle to the outside to the middle back to the inside all to overtake some dumb fu**er that has no idea how to use a motorway
Was on the way home on Tuesday and there was an new driver (had the greenP plate) sitting in the middle lane of a motorway doing 45 mph - ridiculous!!! this driver has taken a test and is now allowed to do 70 mph with no training (I know its included now) - so what do I do continue in my lane and undertake as not breaking any speed limits or make 12 maneuvers to get around them.
needs to be better policed and have people made more aware of the correct use of a motorway
Have I said this Pi55es me off no end
The big problem is there aren't many police about these days and they rely on cameras to do most of the work :frustrated:
If some knobber is doing 45 in the middle lane it's okay to "undertake" them as your lane is moving faster than theirs. They are a pain though :furious:
Quote from: mjgt on Friday, 22 June 2018, 01:40 AM
If some knobber is doing 45 in the middle lane it's okay to "undertake" them as your lane is moving faster than theirs. They are a pain though :furious:
Correct, as long as you're not seen to move left to get past them.
Quote from: Hooli on Friday, 22 June 2018, 01:44 AM
Quote from: mjgt on Friday, 22 June 2018, 01:40 AM
If some knobber is doing 45 in the middle lane it's okay to "undertake" them as your lane is moving faster than theirs. They are a pain though :furious:
Correct, as long as you're not seen to move left to get past them.
I know it is legal to undertake in this sort of situation but its hard enough getting seen on the roads(there I did it) when in the correct lane all it needs is for him to decide to get into the correct lane and not look correctly as we all know inexperienced drivers they can do the strangest things, so on this instance I decided to go the long way around
And while Im on my soap box about this - what is it with middle lane hoggers who sit in teh middle lane for effing miles then move into inside lane for their exit - they really get on my goat
soap box away . . . . . . . . . . maybe
:soapbox: :rant: :wife:
There are 2 pages to the emojies you have a soap box
On a serious note I've been driving around 1250 miles a week with work for the last 15ish years and the standard or general driving is much worse then it used to be mobile devices have heightened things but as a nation things are deffinatly worse than they ever were.
:rulez: :soapbox: :rant: :redcard:
Quote from: seth on Friday, 22 June 2018, 01:39 AM
The big problem is there aren't many police about these days and they rely on cameras to do most of the work :frustrated:
My mate is a traffic cop - 10 years ago there were 32 high speed pursuit vehicles monitoring roads in the Cardiff area including motorways - now there are 6 . No cameras then no offences ! drive in the middle lane no problem - actually more ex police driving Driving Agency breakdown vehicles than police :furious:
A slight variation on the theme of middle laners - the person who knows they need to turn right, so gets into the outside lane of a 2-lane road well in advance.
Like 3 miles in advance.
So if I want to go faster than them I have to sit there waiting for their turning, or take a risk and go past on the inside. There's a short stretch of 2-lane road on my regular route to work and it happens pretty much every day. I could understand it in heavy traffic, but if the road is flowing freely there's no need to get over so soon.
While I'm at it, have a few more:
- The driver that does 7mph less than every posted limit. 23 in a 30, 33 in a 40 and so on.
- The careful driver who sticks to 30mph in a built-up area (no problem with that) but doesn't read any signs so doesn't notice when it changes to 40. Presumably he never notices the long crocodile of cars building up behind him either.
- The person on the inside lane of a 2-lane roundabout who is going straight on, so they make a straight line out of it. Which cuts you off completely if you are trying to turn right. I was in Hungary recently and I noticed they had some vicious looking concrete lane dividers on their roundabouts that would certainly put a stop to that kind of shit.
- People who don't indicate. Just give us a clue where you are going, that's all I'm asking. It only takes one tiny movement of a finger or thumb to put an indicator on.
Ah, I feel much better now.
There are plenty of drivers that have never had an accident it have been very lucky because they've seen loads in thier mirrors.
:furious: :facepalm:
It's simple here.
If your in the left hand lane, your either entering the motorway, leaving the motorway or your from Asia.
If your in the right hand lane your obviously speeding.
That only leaves the middle lane, so it must be the right place !
:whistling: :happy1:
Quote from: Mister Fishfinger on Friday, 22 June 2018, 02:33 AM
A slight variation on the theme of middle laners - the person who knows they need to turn right, so gets into the outside lane of a 2-lane road well in advance.
Like 3 miles in advance.
So if I want to go faster than them I have to sit there waiting for their turning, or take a risk and go past on the inside. There's a short stretch of 2-lane road on my regular route to work and it happens pretty much every day. I could understand it in heavy traffic, but if the road is flowing freely there's no need to get over so soon.
While I'm at it, have a few more:
- The driver that does 7mph less than every posted limit. 23 in a 30, 33 in a 40 and so on.
- The careful driver who sticks to 30mph in a built-up area (no problem with that) but doesn't read any signs so doesn't notice when it changes to 40. Presumably he never notices the long crocodile of cars building up behind him either.
- The person on the inside lane of a 2-lane roundabout who is going straight on, so they make a straight line out of it. Which cuts you off completely if you are trying to turn right. I was in Hungary recently and I noticed they had some vicious looking concrete lane dividers on their roundabouts that would certainly put a stop to that kind of shit.
- People who don't indicate. Just give us a clue where you are going, that's all I'm asking. It only takes one tiny movement of a finger or thumb to put an indicator on.
Ah, I feel much better now.
sounds like you've been in Christchurch Fishy, exactly the same here! To add to that, I also get peeved at huge truck & trailer units (B Trains & the like) taking both lanes of a major expressway through town, crawling along side by side & holding up all the commuters trying to get to work. :furious: Just get in behind each other & let the rest of us pass, ya ignorant a$$holes!
perhaps we should rename the site? grumpyoldmengsx1400owners.org ? :)
Not everyone here is old or a man so it'll need to be .
Grumpygsx1400owners.org
:stir:
I agree as an ex truck driver ( timber wagon and drag ) ive done thousands of miles all over the country during the 90's and early 2000's and i can say that the standard of driving in this country including truck drivers has realy gone down hill , but then again the bloody traffic has gone throught the roof since then and i think thats not helping !
I'm an ex coach driver & think the same.
Trouble is when enough people can't drive it becomes impossible to drive properly, if you move left when you should some retard will pull alongside you, sit there & block you in etc. That's before you even mention the mongs who pull straight out of sliplanes without trying to merge.
The other one that gets my blood boiling is, the morons who drive just under the speed limit on single lane roads, then as soon as the overtaking lane appears, they put their foot down to well over the speed limit, and as soon as it is back down to a single lane, you guessed it, back to under the speed limit. Drives me bloody nuts, and means you have to really speed just to get passed them.
I do a lot of driving for work and in country areas quite a bit as well, where it mainly happens.
Yep, those morons are here too.
Quote from: Notty on Friday, 22 June 2018, 04:28 AM
perhaps we should rename the site? grumpyoldmengsx1400owners.org ? :)
We can't do that Notty, Mike's still a young 'un.
Quote from: KiwiCol on Friday, 22 June 2018, 11:23 AM
Yep, those morons are here too.
One of my experiences also. Not so much of a drama on the 1400 but truly hair tearing in the 🚘. I've often tried to figure why they do this but have given up without ever concluding a reason for it. 👿👿
I hate the idiots (seemingly 80% of the population) who, on approaching a fixed speed camera immediately brake down to 10-15kph UNDER the limit to 'make sure' they don't get pinged. Just do the actual speed limit for chrissakes!!!! :furious:
I also hate to see people pull straight in, in front of trucks, buses and the like.
Do they not realise that if they then braked suddenly, there's every chance that 60+ tons of truck is going straight over the top (or through) them?
That and people who don't give buses and trucks enough width to turn. PHYSICS people !
It's like nobody has ANY common sense or logic any more.
Don't even get me started on middle lane hoggers :furious: :furious:
We'd all like to hear your observations Froudy, how bout just a wee start then?
Quote from: KiwiCol on Friday, 22 June 2018, 06:22 PM
We'd all like to hear your observations Froudy, how bout just a wee start then?
As you may or may not know..I commute 70 miles a day, 3 times a week. M4 between Bristol and Newport in Wales.
I can be riding to work at 06.30 on a Sunday morning when the motorway is pretty much empty of traffic. So how come I can see a car about a mile ahead sitting in the middle lane, with not another vehicle to be seen...anywhere :furious: :furious:
I make a point of overtaking and then cutting right across them and back into the left lane..Sometimes as I glance in my mirrors I see them also pull across to the left..My maneuver has made them aware that they were lane hogging. Usually though they just stay in the middle :rolleyes:
My theory whether it's right or wrong is that a lot of drivers use a satnav. The satnav will tell them to "Keep right" especially when approaching an exit that they aren't taking..Maybe that's why they stay in the middle or right lanes?
Quote from: Sweaty on Friday, 22 June 2018, 10:46 AM
The other one that gets my blood boiling is, the morons who drive just under the speed limit on single lane roads, then as soon as the overtaking lane appears, they put their foot down to well over the speed limit, and as soon as it is back down to a single lane, you guessed it, back to under the speed limit. Drives me bloody nuts, and means you have to really speed just to get passed them.
I do a lot of driving for work and in country areas quite a bit as well, where it mainly happens.
I see more of the older version of these.
They do walking speed around bends but as soon as there is a straight they boot it so you can't get past. It should be legal to ram them off the road & kick them in the face until they wake up.
I know what you mean Hooli!! We have these halfwits too! As soon as they see at straight bit of road, they're off, as soon as the see a corner they're on the brakes, doesn't matter if it requires brakes, they're on the brakes, for no reason!. I'd rather be in front of these drivers as ya can't tell what they're gonna do. You can tell by the way they drive they're not real experienced at it.
my commute from home, first 5ks is single lane, double lines, no pass, 100ks limit. they sit on 60 to 70ks, everyone lined up behind. it opens to two lanes with 80k limit. off they go. does my head in. yeah, a blaster to blow them away id like. id love to pull them over and ask why. just frogwits.
There are two types up here and there is no in-between !.... its eather flat out everywhere and driving dangerous or crawling speed and refuse to pull over no matter how big the cue is behind you ..... both pi55 me off to the exstreme :furious: :furious: :furious:
Quote from: froudy on Friday, 22 June 2018, 06:37 PM
Quote from: KiwiCol on Friday, 22 June 2018, 06:22 PM
We'd all like to hear your observations Froudy, how bout just a wee start then?
As you may or may not know..I commute 70 miles a day, 3 times a week. M4 between Bristol and Newport in Wales.
I can be riding to work at 06.30 on a Sunday morning when the motorway is pretty much empty of traffic. So how come I can see a car about a mile ahead sitting in the middle lane, with not another vehicle to be seen...anywhere :furious: :furious:
I make a point of overtaking and then cutting right across them and back into the left lane..Sometimes as I glance in my mirrors I see them also pull across to the left..My maneuver has made them aware that they were lane hogging. Usually though they just stay in the middle :rolleyes:
My theory whether it's right or wrong is that a lot of drivers use a satnav. The satnav will tell them to "Keep right" especially when approaching an exit that they aren't taking..Maybe that's why they stay in the middle or right lanes?
I don't think it's satnavs, I think it's a much older problem than that. My theory is that because they have never had driving lessons on motorways (because learners weren't allowed on motorways in the UK until recently), they think that changing lanes is a risky procedure that should be avoided at all costs. They are also incapable of forward planning and are terrified of getting caught in the inside lane and not being able to move out when they come up behind a slower vehicle. So they pick the middle lane as a sensible compromise and they stay there.
It happened this morning of course. I came in on the M25, there's a part where the 3 lanes of the M25 are joined by 2 lanes of M3 traffic from the left. So I am in the left lane of 3, which suddenly becomes the middle lane of 5. To my left are the headcases in expensive German Panzers who are incapable of going below 85 and absolutely have to get across to the outside lane instantly, or else they'll lose their place on the squash ladder or something. In front, a mid-size truck that was is ambling along at 60 and really doesn't see the need to move over to the left now that there are 2 more lanes he can use. To my right, more sales executive Panzers trying to force their way past the middle-lane hoggers who are now 4th lane hoggers since we acquired a couple of new lanes.
My mission: to get off at the next exit where I've got 300 yards to merge left across yet another 2 lanes of faster moving traffic because I need to turn left at the exit roundabout.
Some days I would actually welcome a zombie apocalypse.
That's why widening motorways never works, they add the lanes on the wrong side. The RH lane is all the photocopier salesmen, one lane to the left is all the slower mongs & the other lanes are just for trucks & coaches...
I don't buy the lack of training excuse, it's exactly the same as using a dual cabbageway & none of the brain dead can use the left hand lane on them either.
Something else that really winds me up is one 40 foot artic overtaking another one on a two lane section of the motorway...
They creep past at the rate of two inches per mile causing a huge queue of angry and frustrated drivers to build up behind :furious: :furious:
@froudy Especially as both lorries are supposed to be restricted to 56mph .
It's even worse up here in Scotland as we only have 2 lane motorways . :furious:
Sounds like they need to come to New Zealand. Lane changing is an exciting part of the journey which must be done at a speed at least 30kph faster than the traffic flow.
Down the on ramp into 3 solid lines of traffic. Head right, gotta get to the outside fast lane. Start to tailgate.....thats not working, Need to overtake.....let the weaving begin. One night im in the middle lane, some hot rod hat backwards dickhead comes flying past on my right. Thats ok till he see's the cop car just ahead. He hits the brakes hard, locks up and tags the Armco. He must think its a remake of the fast and the furious. (What happened to that dude) But they are just going home.....
Read in a bike mag today that a bloke from the UK touring here reckon our driving is worse than ltaly. That dont sound good :rofl2:
At least Italians can actually handle a vehicle properly. Driving there is very stressful for foreigners but there's very little road rage because nobody gives a shit.
The US and Canada on the other hand - average driving ability is very low. The cars are easy to drive, roads are wide, straight and boring, the driving test is easy and everyone has a massive sense of entitlement.
Italians handling cars?? Really? Just take a look at every local car driving the Amalfi coast road... most of them will be missing mirrors cos they don't stay on their side of the road! Last time I was there I decided to park my car up and take the bus! :rofl2:
Same on the motorways... they straddle the lanes... any lane... most disconcerting when you are abiding by the 'normal' rules. Having said that...they all drive that way :happy1:
No offence to Italian drivers btw....
When I've been to Italy they appear to have two speeds. 20mph during the day & 120mph at night, on the same roads!
This post certainly got the grumpiness going, three pages already :lol:
You got a love a group of grumpy folks .
:smitten:
So its not just me then . . . . . . . . . . . . . :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2:
grumpiness, good to see. sounds like driving world over is the same.
This needs reviving, can't let it just drift off to the background & be left with "joyfulness & light", "puppies & butterflies" filling the boards!!
Come on chaps, give us your gripes. :rant: :deadhorse:
Possums are our major highway wanderers.............
https://www.youtube.co/watch?v=xaoAkoLT274
Well there still at it but added a new twist to the utter incompetence . . . . . . . still in the middle lane well sort of . . . . their crossing the inside and the middle so much so that I passed one yesterday and didn't need to move out of the middle lane . . . . . The 5h1t themselves and had to put their phone down
Now I wasnt hanging around (was really warm here yesterday) and passed so close I'm sure they read the tag on me breeks then pulled into the inside lane - they started flashing the lights but suddenly moved into the inside lane . . .
Job Done :soapbox:
I find a flyby on the nearside often wakes them up to the empty lane.
Talking of Flyby..
Is it just me that has other bikers overtaking me with 4" of clearance?
A couple of years ago my Brother had a Hyabusa.. He is a much errr faster rider than me..
He used to love to drop back to allow me to take the lead then come past at 120 plus with inches to spare..
Talk about shock wave !!
Thankfully he doesn't ride now !
No idea, but if I didn't know someone bloody well & exactly how they rode I'd never leave that little margin for error.
Yep same. It's a bloody risky move & wouldn't take very much for it to come to grief for both.
It's really cheered me up to read this lot, I thought it was just me getting wound up over these things.
Dead right about it being a waste of millions adding extra lanes to motorways though, there a whole empty one over on the left already.
I'm probably going to offend a few people here, but here goes anyway - There does seem to be a regional variance in middle lane hogging. I find the M60 / M62 to be the worst, people there seem to think driving in what they perceive to be the "slow" lane is an slight to their manhood. The bottom part of the M5 in contrast seems to be fairly well driven. In my part of the UK (around the M5 / M6 intersection) you can't change lanes even if you want to because the traffic barely moves.
Oh, and I'd be happy to do a fly-by on the inside lane, but it causes me grief from her on the back, so I settle for a tight out-and-round. It usually seems to wake up the offending driver who then seems to remember where they should be.
How does the law read Pete ?
I think ours pretty much says keep left unless passing.......but in reality its a dogs breakfast, just a free for all.
Personally I think the U.K. government should legalize undertaking on motorways, in the same way that the US allows undertaking on highways. I use the M25 a lot (the London "ring road") and it's a fairly common occurrence anyway, in fact you find that the (general) 3 lanes move at their own speed most of the time anyway be it under or overtaking. I do like these countries though that remind drivers to pull over once they have passed vehicles - the traffic seems to flow better.
People though in general seem to think that they "must" get in the outside line (I'm refusing to call it the fast lane) and won't budge. I'm now using the centre lane more as I'm finding that most of the time you can maintain the same speed as the outside lane but without the constant brake and accelerate (and a lot of time you are undertaking anyway, just to be overtaken a few minutes later).
The police seem to turn a blind eye to this anyway (except for the dangerous ones who weave through all the lanes at speed) in order to keep the traffic moving.
As for those on bikes who weave through the lanes on motorbikes at speed (usually about 20-30 mph more than the traffic speed) - a dangerous thing to do IMO, certainly on the M25 as Road and lane conditions change way too often, and nearly every hour is rush hour.. seen way too many results of this and they are not pretty, especially given the number of foreign tourists who use the M25 going to/from the ports, particularly the eastern side of the M25.
Middle laners though - hardly happen. Juggernauts up their posterior soon stop that. On other roads they annoy me no end. That and those who insist on throwing their fag ends out the window. :furious: I'd love to stuff their fag ends back though their windows having had a few bounce off my visor over the years.
My main gripe are the convoy of lorries that will travel nose to tail making it difficult to both enter and exit junctions.
To me lane proticol in the U.K. is very poor and the annoyance it brings no doubt leads to a number of accidents which could otherwise be avoided.
That's very restrained of you Dave . . . only thing gets your goat is fag ends flicked out the window.
We're allowed to pass on the inside if it's 2 or more lanes on that side. We're also allowed to filter at traffic lights, but not at high speed.
Barmy mentions fag butts thrown out of the window.
I seem to follow quite a number who decide its time to clean their windscreen with their washers when a motorcycle is behind them. :jack:
Anyone noticed Friday traffic is more 'aggressive' than other days? I always notice it. I leave home just before 6.30 every day, Friday is when I see the worst behaviour.
Take this morning, 4 f**kwits in 20 minutes of driving. First some halfwit driving at 41k in a 50 k area, no reason, just going at 41!! Then a moron on the express way, I'm in the left lane, I see some headlights coming up fast in the right lane, which happens to have a truck n trailer in it (going along ok) So this hero comes barrelling up & I'm thinking, he's gonna ram right into the back of the trailer cos there's no room to change into the left lane as I'm there, nope, hero just missed the truck, swerves violently into my lane just in front of me, I brake hard & the hero then proceeds to go normal speed in front of me. What the hell that was about I'm buggered if I know, just didn't want to be behind a truck or anybody else.
Then about 3 minutes later, different road but 2 lanes, under roadworks & has been for a few weeks, reduces to 1 lane, another hero / asshole comes barrelling up trying to push in to the queue that was already merging like a zip??? Why? We're all being considerate & well mannered.
Then the fourth one, another halfwit doing 43k in a 60k area. Just bloody staggering Friday morning traffic. The other days are bad enough, but Fridays are definitely worse. IMO.
Fridays are bad here, everyone wants to be here for weekend. ill put up with all the antics, seems a world problem. lh lane doesnt exist for most. my absolute prob at moment is phone users. 1 out of 10 i reckon. all over the road, very scary. reckon i saw 5 today. i want a sign to hold up to them. shove it/phone up your arse or something similar.any ideas what it should say
You could try this Grog
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x56w8d1
:rant:How about variable time bus lanes? On my commute to work (5 miles) in Sheffield, the bus lanes are only active between 7.30am and 9:30 am, then 4:30 pm until 6:30 pm. So many drivers do not read the road signs giving this info and stick to the outside lanes religiously. It makes I mad!
so there is no fast lane on the motorways you can do 70 mph in any lane so if Im doing 70 mph in the inside lane and there some one doing 60 in the middle lane then Im not undertaking . . . . . . . :whistling:
or do you wee me having the do mirror signal maneuver to traverse lanes 2 and then 3 then once I have overtaken the middle laner I then have to repeat the mirror signal maneuver all over again to get back into the correct lane
. . . . . but what if I was approaching my junction ?!?!?!?. do I need to reduce speed just because some cretin (or just plain ignorant fooker) doesnt know the correct procedure for motorway driving
ANSWER . . . .
Del..
Yes.... maybe... well it depends. :rofl2:
Change the rules so you can pass on the left if there's 2 or more lanes on your side, that's how it's done here, usually the halfwits move left after a queue has built up behind them & half a dozen or so cars have passed on the left of them. Usually, not always though.
Quote from: Del on Sunday, 01 July 2018, 11:12 PM
so there is no fast lane on the motorways you can do 70 mph in any lane so if Im doing 70 mph in the inside lane and there some one doing 60 in the middle lane then Im not undertaking . . . . . . . :whistling:
or do you wee me having the do mirror signal maneuver to traverse lanes 2 and then 3 then once I have overtaken the middle laner I then have to repeat the mirror signal maneuver all over again to get back into the correct lane
. . . . . but what if I was approaching my junction ?!?!?!?. do I need to reduce speed just because some cretin (or just plain ignorant fooker) doesnt know the correct procedure for motorway driving
ANSWER . . . .
In UK law I think this would be considered a grey area.
The highway code says it is acceptable to pass on the left on a multi-lane highway in congested conditions, when the lane on the left is moving faster. You still have to exercise caution though, but generally (as gsxbarmy mentioned earlier), the M25 operates like this pretty much all the time because it is always busy.
The problem is when you come across a middle lane hogger when the traffic isn't congested. This is what makes them so dangerous and annoying. If traffic is light (never really happens near home), I go all the way round them the proper way. Usually I have a good moan about it as well, much to the annoyance of Mrs Fishfinger who has heard it all a million times.
If there are a bunch of vehicles in the outside lane I sometimes make an executive decision and pass on the inside, again to the annoyance of Mrs F, who doesn't like it when I do that.
I have read that the police could in theory do me for driving with undue care and attention for doing that, but I would hope that the sensible decision would be to prosecute the lane hogger instead. In reality, neither is likely to happen because there aren't any police on the roads nowadays - so I think the important thing to worry about is how safe it is.
Fishy l note you say "there aren't any Police on the roads" So where have yours gone ?
Mr FF - I totally agree with what you are saying my point is that Im more likely to make an error doing all the manures (12 in total) to pass the middle lane hog when Im doing the speed limit braking no laws where as some arse sausage can blatantly ignore the law and more than likely get away with it
the issue is that in the UK drivers are not taught how to drive on the motorways and there fore are unsure how the inside lane works - they see the signs advising what the next exit is and they are terrified that if they sit in the inside lane they will come off the motorway and then the real fear will begin trying to get back onto the motorway - I know that they have just introduced training now but I feel that there should at least 2 lessons post test to understand how to use the big scary roads
Lane hoggers in my opinion cause delays and tail backs due to their utter incompetence
Quote from: Del on Monday, 02 July 2018, 06:00 AM
the issue is that in the UK drivers are not taught how to drive on the motorways and there fore are unsure how the inside lane works
Sorry but I don't believe that to be the reason. It's no different to dual carriageway in that respect & they get it wrong there too, I see a lot of driving instructors getting it wrong too so that's why the public are crap at it.
Quote from: Kiwifruit on Monday, 02 July 2018, 05:53 AM
Fishy l note you say "there aren't any Police on the roads" So where have yours gone ?
Good question. They're certainly not going round chasing stolen bikes, as we have already established more than once on this forum.
Seriously though there has been a reduction in police numbers over the last 10 years or so. Here are the stats:
https://fullfact.org/crime/police-numbers/
It's just my opinion, but it seems like a lot of road policing has been offloaded to automated systems. Speed cameras, average speed checks, smart motorways and all that. I would be very surprised if there has been a single prosecution for middle lane hogging since the "crackdown" was announced.
Looks like we heading that way too Fishy. Delivered under the guise of road safety. You wouldnt want to be a cop here.
They are like fishermen with the scum........too much Tag & Release and not enough Gaff and throw on Ice!!
If I'm doing 70 in the inside lane and come up to a car in the middle lane doing 60 I just keep going and pass him/her, as I am doing the correct speed and did not manoeuvre to pass I don't consider it an undertake. I am going out on an advanced ride this weekend so will ask the instructor.
Quote from: mjgt on Monday, 02 July 2018, 07:40 PM
If I'm doing 70 in the inside lane and come up to a car in the middle lane doing 60 I just keep going and pass him/her, as I am doing the correct speed and did not manoeuvre to pass I don't consider it an undertake. I am going out on an advanced ride this weekend so will ask the instructor.
Sounds correct to me too.
Now, if you move out to overtake a truck & then move back in as you should, continue up the road past an idiot in the middle lane & pull out later for another truck. Did you move left to overtake it or not?