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Title: Australia Cheats
Post by: grog on Sunday, 25 March 2018, 05:26 PM
A very sad day for Oz today. Im the most true blue bloke youll ever meet, really pissed off with our cricket team cheating. Amazing they thought they could get away with it, down right crap they did it. Thats just not how Australia works, we are battlers, not fnn cheats. Makes me feel sick.
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: Snapey on Sunday, 25 March 2018, 05:44 PM
Nothing less than a 12 month holiday away from the game for all involved and ACB contracts torn up.
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: Kiwifruit on Sunday, 25 March 2018, 05:45 PM
Good on ya Grog.
Have taught my kids to play hard, play fair, be a gracious victor and if bettered to congratulate a deserving winner.
Shame someone forgot to tell that to the Aussie cricketers. 
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: KiwiCol on Sunday, 25 March 2018, 05:53 PM
Yeah, pretty stupid thing to do, but, it seems to happen a lot in cricket.
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: lawrie on Sunday, 25 March 2018, 06:21 PM
I concur with all of the above, however, with the quality of cameras nowadays, its just about impossible to get away with stuff like that, I surprised they even tried , they are able to pick out a zit on a flys arse  with the gear they have now.
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: Notty on Sunday, 25 March 2018, 06:24 PM
How stupid can they be with 200 cameras zooming in on every zit ... :angry:
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: gsxbarmy on Sunday, 25 March 2018, 06:25 PM
Sad day and not sure why they even needed to think about it, disgraceful as well that the captain endorsed it.
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: Sweaty on Sunday, 25 March 2018, 06:27 PM
Yeah, totally agree with all comments above.
Also think a lot of it goes on Col, but hopefully the other teams can learn from the stupid Aussie's. "Don't use the brightest coloured Yellow tape possible"

Very sad day for Australian Sport & all the kids who look up to these cheating bastards as role models.  :furious:👎
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: shanered6 on Sunday, 25 March 2018, 07:17 PM
With all the doping and cheating going on in sport today it does not suprise me at all  :furious: its all just got to commercialised and to much money and the days of fair play are long gone ... very  :sad:
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: Mister Fishfinger on Sunday, 25 March 2018, 08:43 PM
Quote from: shanered6 on Sunday, 25 March  2018, 07:17 PM
With all the doping and cheating going on in sport today it does not suprise me at all  :furious: its all just got to commercialise and to much money and the days of fair play are gone ... very  :sad:

Totally agree. Look at all the top sports nowadays and it doesn't look like anybody is enjoying it. Same goes for the crowd half the time. There's just too much at stake.
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: Kiwifruit on Monday, 26 March 2018, 01:54 AM
Ă€ussie cricket captain Steve Smith gets one match ban.

His team mates will no doubt be there to support him as he recovers from the injuries sustained after the ICC gave him a good flogging with a wet bus ticket.
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: Sweaty on Monday, 26 March 2018, 06:06 AM
What a joke 😡
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: Boa on Monday, 26 March 2018, 07:39 AM
The fact that it was orchestrated, and not a maverick cheat, is beyond belief !

It's a sad day for cricket and a destructive day for Aussie cricket. Credibility is a very hard thing to recover, especially when proven beyond reasonable doubt.

Punishment? Ban them for life and wipe all individual records. They deserve to be banished for this. Lenient punishment encourages further discretions.

It isn't as if Australia are lacking replacements, they breed 'em like rabbits, lol
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: seth on Monday, 26 March 2018, 07:44 AM
We got caught years ago with using bottle tops to scratch the ball making it do strange stuff if I remember right .
As ready said to much money in sport makes it almost compulsory to try and win at any costs.
A sad world these days .
:smiley sign0181: :soapbox: :rant:
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: Kiwifruit on Monday, 26 March 2018, 07:53 AM
Seth, surely if anyone in the Scots cricket team just put the ball in their pocket it would get scratched by bottle tops.  :whistling:
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: seth on Monday, 26 March 2018, 07:57 AM
The game was invented here so it's legal here  :stir:
Good job I'm English just up in Scotland on missionary work  :whistling:
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: KiwiCol on Monday, 26 March 2018, 09:33 AM
So, the job you've got - your position, that'd be the missionary position then?
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: VladTepes on Monday, 26 March 2018, 10:47 AM
I was truly shocked when I saw this.
Perhaps I'm naive but I thought these fellas were above this and it is very disappointing.

The nature of the sledging against Warner particularly has evidently been quite personal, which I don't find acceptable, but now that issue has been totally eclipsed.

The South African crowds certainly have somethign to 'attack' the Aussies with  now; and I imagine the Barmy Army will be coming up with a new somg in preparation for next time....


Thank Christ that the real sport is on.  (MotoGP)
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: Sweaty on Tuesday, 27 March 2018, 06:23 AM
😄
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: Kiwifruit on Tuesday, 27 March 2018, 06:42 AM
 :rofl2:
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: gsxbarmy on Tuesday, 27 March 2018, 07:18 AM
I'm sure those Y fronts were white at start of play  :whistling:
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: Sweaty on Tuesday, 27 March 2018, 07:37 AM
Quote from: gsxbarmy on Tuesday, 27 March  2018, 07:18 AM
I'm sure those Y fronts were white at start of play  :whistling:

Yes, and they should of been Brown when he took them off  ;)
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: VladTepes on Tuesday, 27 March 2018, 03:29 PM
As inexcusable as this is, you'd think from some on line reactions that Australia is the only team to have ever been done for ball tampering...

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Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: VladTepes on Tuesday, 27 March 2018, 03:45 PM
Interesting article:

Steve Smith's mistakes didn't end when he came off the field

STEVE Smith made a grave error in condoning ball tampering, but he did something even worse when he came off the field.


STEVE Smith has admitted he made a mistake in giving the OK to tamper with the ball in Cape Town, but that's not where his errors in judgment ended.

Former Australian paceman Stuart Clark said the captain and Cameron Bancroft completely misjudged the seriousness of their crime when fronting the media to explain their actions after television cameras caught Bancroft cheating on day three of the third Test.

The pair revealed what happened behind the scenes and on the field after the opening batsman was spotted altering the condition of the ball with tape, but according to Clark, they never would have expected the backlash to be as severe as it has been.

The ex-fast bowler said they would probably have expected a slap on the wrist, because multiple former and current players have generally only received relatively minor punishments for ball tampering. That's where they were wrong.

"Unfortunately ball tampering is something that's been involved in cricket for a long period of time," Clark said on radio program Big Sports Breakfast.

"The problem is the flow-on and the outrage and hysteria around this incident now around Australia is affecting brands.

"What I'm sure the two boys thought was just a misdemeanour when they had the press conference which they did a couple of days ago is far bigger than what they ever imagined."

Clark agreed with the show's co-host Laurie Daley that Smith didn't appreciate the enormity of the situation when he spoke to the media because players who have been found guilty of ball tampering in the past have rarely been put under the same scrutiny that has enveloped the Aussies in South Africa.

Did Smith and Bancroft appreciate the enormity of this situation?


"I'm pretty sure that's the case (that Smith underestimated how serious the crime was) because that's what's happened in the past," Clark said.

"When you see the likes of Rahul Dravid getting done (for ball tampering), Shahid Afridi, Faf du Plessis ... and in Shield cricket there's been a few over the years where you get in trouble then you get a match ban and lose your match fee or whatever it may be.

"I'm sure Steve Smith thought that's exactly what would happen.

"Unfortunately that's not what's happened and the public have reacted in a far greater manner than that and they've got to deal with the consequences.

"The two boys, when they did the press conference, they thought this would just be a slap on the wrist as every other one has been."

Per the Australian Associated Press, there is a sense among many players and support staff that Smith failed to eloquently express exactly what transpired in the conversation between himself, Warner and Bancroft inside the dressing room at lunch.

Fairfax Media is reporting David Warner was the chief instigator in the decision to tamper with the ball and Smith went along with the idea.

While Smith confessed to making a "big mistake" in his press conference, he was bullish about remaining at the helm of the national side.

"I won't be considering stepping down. I still think I'm the right person for the job," Smith told reporters, before assuring the public something similar would never happen again under his leadership.

He may not get the chance to make good on that promise with his hold on the captaincy in serious jeopardy as the significance of what the 28-year-old condoned becomes abundantly clear to him and the entire cricket community.

Steve Smith and David Warner have tough questions to answer.

Smith misjudging just how big an impact his admission of guilt in the scandal would cause has sparked debate about how detached Australia's cricketers have become from reality in the pursuit of success.

The team's culture has come under fire along with its win-at-all costs attitude. That Smith may not have considered Bancroft altering the condition of the ball to be a serious offence shows how blurred the team's thinking has become in regards to what is and isn't acceptable on the cricket field.

Before this fresh storm the Aussie team was already facing accusations about its conduct in the midst of a series that has been marred by ugly sledging and personal attacks.

Few are prepared to show any sympathy for a team accused of hypocrisy in doing whatever it takes to win but crying foul when something goes against it.

Former Australian opening batsman Ed Cowan said the scandal pointed to bigger cultural issues within the Aussie set-up.

"This is a cultural issue," Cowan said on Fox Sports program Bill and Boz. "We've talked about sledging, we've talked about brawling, we've talked about boofish behaviour.

"This is just another data point in a whole set of behaviours that is not befitting of any high quality, high performance national team we want to be supporting.

"That's the point that needs to be made and that culture comes from the people at the top. That comes from the coach. That is setting the agenda, the vision, what kind of team do we want to be?"

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Quote"I won't be considering stepping down. I still think I'm the right person for the job," Smith told reporters, before assuring the public something similar would never happen again under his leadership.
Well, he's right about that.
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: Mick_J on Tuesday, 27 March 2018, 07:11 PM
Two pages and 197 Views, come on it's only a game  :whistling:
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: grog on Tuesday, 27 March 2018, 07:18 PM
as an Aussie, its only a game, yeah, right. im ashamed to be called a cheat. we can never live it down. totally devastating to me. it applies to everything we do, no other country will forget. sad day for me. 
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: Kiwifruit on Tuesday, 27 March 2018, 07:32 PM
We never have forgiven Australia for the underarm bowling incedent a generation ago.......and that was legal !!
:happy1:
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: shanered6 on Tuesday, 27 March 2018, 07:37 PM
its not just the Aussie's there all at it ! ... the problem is cheating is being highlighted in all sports now and the Aussie's were the first to get caught , the down side is the other teams have now had the heads up its not acceptable anymore and at the Aussie's expense .
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: grog on Tuesday, 27 March 2018, 07:47 PM
yeah Kiwi, i never got over that either. feb. 1st 1981, i was at my parents place. super hot day, i loved one dayers then. at least that wasnt cheating but a very sad day. this time is cheating. aussies dont cheat, at least i dont. last year at golf, i scored a blokes card. club championships, he changed it to win c grade. ask me about my opinion on him. grrrrr
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: Kiwifruit on Tuesday, 27 March 2018, 08:01 PM
A man is lost in the dark of the Southern Ocean tonight having fallen overboard today from Scallywag, one of the Volvo race boats.
He would have walked past us as we applauded the crews before they boarded their boats to start the next leg of the race from Auckland last weekend.
Kinda makes scratching a ball with a bit of gritty tape such an insult to the word 'Sport'
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: grog on Tuesday, 27 March 2018, 08:09 PM
very tru Kiwi, very true. im in sad mode. have a read on bodies washed up on Bribie Island. my ex work mate Kurt,suspicious circumstances, nice bloke, great golfer, just hoping it was accident. shared many a lunch time with him. sad is bad
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: Kiwifruit on Tuesday, 27 March 2018, 08:16 PM
Sorry for you Grog. Sadder when you know them.
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: Sweaty on Thursday, 29 March 2018, 12:12 PM
 :grin:
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: VladTepes on Friday, 30 March 2018, 07:41 PM
In perspective with that poster the cricket is insignificant eh.
Yet I think the cricket has got more coverage in the last week than the entire royal commission.

Crazy world eh.
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: Globalrider on Saturday, 31 March 2018, 04:18 AM
Load'a balls if you ask me!
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: Kiwifruit on Saturday, 31 March 2018, 11:18 AM
At all NZ 'Mitre 10 Mega' superstores kids cricket sets now have a small piece of yellow sandpaper included.  Ouch !!
Title: Re: Australia Cheats
Post by: Tug on Saturday, 31 March 2018, 07:39 PM
Now their crying  :jack: