I'm thinking about getting HEL oil cooler, but it seems to me there could be an issues with oil lines, if bike have full Akra installed.
Searching internet pictures did not give me any clear answer... :confused1:
Does anyone have this combination on their bike and care to share some pics and experience? :onya:
I remember something about the oil lines not fitting between the exhaust downpipe due to them being wider .
On my aftermarket cooler I run the lines into the top of my cooler as I couldn't get the lines between my akroprovic down pipes.
Quote from: seth on Monday, 05 March 2018, 06:36 AM
I remember something about the oil lines not fitting between the exhaust downpipe due to them being wider .
Yes, this is what I meant - I remember reading something and somewhere, but cant find any info (probably it was on old ORG :rolleyes:)
@seth - so, your solution is longer lines?
Yes longer lines in to the top of the cooler .
You can see them in my pics
They run up the inside of the frame then to the top of the cooler .
:cheers:
there is HEL and Akra on a bike, but picture are very small to understand is lines original or custom...
http://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=544.msg4493#msg4493
@bigian14 - any feedback about cooler?
Not a HEL cooler but it just gives an idea .
Yes to akroprovic pipe
I'm not home but will take some better close up pics tomorrow when I am there.
:cheers:
Quote from: seth on Monday, 05 March 2018, 08:15 AM
Not a HEL cooler but it just gives an idea .
Yes to akroprovic pipe
I'm not home but will take some better close up pics tomorrow when I am there.
:cheers:
Ive got a HEL Cooler on the way and have Yoshi headers...
Any info on how long the lines have to be or what needs to be done to fit??
Pikkies and ANY info on how I can get round this or how long the lines need to be - Anything
cheers
Stoli
Not a HEL cooler but same problems
This is my matt (kernadog) cooler and I have an akroprovic system the hoses I had didn't fit the down pipes.
So I had longer hoses 24"or 61cm long with 90° bend on the end I to the top of the cooler. Both ends are female thread fitting .
I've just spoken to Shaun at HEL and explained the problem you guys are having and told him how my hoses are routed and what fittings I have on my cooler and the length if my hoses .
He said he knows the problem but thinks you weren't asked which exhaust was fitted at time of ordering .
I'm going to look into thing and see if I can find fitting to make this work I will post here when I do .
Finally got a 4 pics added to my thread
Sorry it took so long
:cheers:
Seth, I am interested in the fitting that goes on the engine block in the last pic. Could you please say where you got it from and what the name/dimensions are?
I got the hoses fittings and cooler from matt (kernodog)
This is the company the fitting came from
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Torques-U-K/Motorbike-Oil-Control-Products-/_i.html?_fsub=4579075012&_sid=81447352&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322
It's a great site if you know what your looking for .
The lower engine fittings are on this page
:cheers:
The other site that's similar is this .
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Hose-Fittings-UK
Quote from: seth on Tuesday, 06 March 2018, 01:00 AM
I've just spoken to Shaun at HEL and explained the problem you guys are having and told him how my hoses are routed and what fittings I have on my cooler and the length if my hoses .
He said he knows the problem but thinks you weren't asked which exhaust was fitted at time of ordering .
I'm going to look into thing and see if I can find fitting to make this work I will post here when I do .
I haven't ordered yet - I'm collecting information, to prevent possible issues.
I will write email to HEL performance, asking do they have some custom solution for Akra system.
Thank you Seth. I'll take a look.
@northern Ask to speak to Shaun northcott he's dealing with stoli's problem just now and we have been emailing back and forth hopefully he can come up with a solution for still and also you if you speak to him .
:cheers:
@seth thank you!
just to be sure - I want to write to moto@helperformance.com which I find on http://www.helperformance.com/contact/
Are we talking about same?
@northern yes that them quote Shaun Northcott and mention my emails from sethxjr@gmail.com .
Hopefully they can sort you out as well I think the problem has been they sales staff are not asking what exhaust is fitted when people order there gsx1400 kit and they know it doesn't fit with aftermarket down pipes.
:cheers:
@seth Thank you, mate! Will do!
today i get replay from HEL performance, from Shaun Northcott.
"... We are looking into the spec but aftermarket headers cause us problems. We have a customer with the same issue at the moment. We are out of stock on the engine flanges and expect a delay of 2 weeks. We will update you if we manage to get it sorted out with the customer ASAP... "
As I understand, some custom solution is possible. I will wait for the update and will let you all know. :hat:
Hiya northern Shaun emailed me today they are looking in to getting things sorted for you and stoli.
I sent a few pictures and measurements so hopefully they can get you sorted .
:cheers:
thx for your support, seth! Will see, what will be their solution.
Indeed we will hopefully they can sort things in a straight forward way.
My suggestion was mount the cooler upside down with a modified bracket the using 24"oil lines into a 120° bend you run the oil line up the frame before going on to the cooler .
My oil cooler has rear facing outlets but theirs with the correct bend should work fine .
I'm not sure if you keep the fan on thier system but that's the same if if was fitted either way up so what ever solution you might need to mod/make a fan bracket if your keeping the fan .
:cheers:
other solution - replicate OEM lines: directed to the middle, and then between 2nd and 3rd cylinder headers....
They could but it's the end fittings that cost the money hoses is relatively cheap
Will be interesting to see what they actually come up with .
:cheers:
I seem to remember on the old org that karlgixer? fitted a GSX-R1000 HEL cooler to his 14, which essentially is the same size cooler as the 14 but with oil intake and outlet pipes at the top - would those same pipes not solve the issue here perhaps (if indeed my memory is correct?)
That's very similar to the set up being discussed.
Hopefully they can now help with something .
:cheers:
Quote from: northern on Monday, 05 March 2018, 08:05 AM
there is HEL and Akra on a bike, but picture are very small to understand is lines original or custom...
http://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=544.msg4493#msg4493
@bigian14 - any feedback about cooler?
Yes mate, I bought the HEL cooler and lines as a kit at the bike show a couple of years back but had problems with the hoses as the kit was designed for standard headers that have a lot more clearance between them.
I tried fitting with the straight fitting at the crankcase end and the 45° fittings at the cooler end but it didn't look right, (to me), so tried the other way round. They seemed to fit and look better between the headers with the straight fitting at the cooler end but appeared too long so I phoned HEL and sent them a sketch of what I wanted and they just shortened my hoses by about 40mm and they fitted perfectly.
I have since removed those and am making up my own with the blue/red fittings, (HEL now only do the stealth black ones), as am rerouting them after a complete winter strip-down and rebuild.
@bigian14 Thanks a lot for this info, mate!
Basically: both fitting are straight and hoses are ~40mm shorter? Right?
Inst lines to close to headers, or it's not a problem?
They look great
@bigian14 I wonder why HEL didn't remember this when speaking to
@Stolichnaya As looks like the perfect fit
:cheers:
Quote from: northern on Sunday, 11 March 2018, 02:57 AM
@bigian14
Thanks a lot for this info, mate!
Basically: both fitting are straight and hoses are ~40mm shorter? Right?
Inst lines to close to headers, or it's not a problem?
No, it's got the 45° at the crankcase end, I got them shortened by about 40mm and fitted the other way round. They look a lot neater with the straight fitting at the cooler end but I can't see any reason why they wouldn't also work with straight fittings at both ends.
This is what I sent them with my requirements.
Thx for clearing this out! :onya:
I think, I will ask to make me a same solution. At least at the begging - I 'm a little skeptical about lines to close to hot headers, but we will see...
Quote from: bigian14 on Monday, 12 March 2018, 02:19 AM
No, it's got the 45° at the crankcase end, I got them shortened by about 40mm and fitted the other way round. They look a lot neater with the straight fitting at the cooler end but I can't see any reason why they wouldn't also work with straight fittings at both ends.
This is what I sent them with my requirements.
Hi bigian14, did you send back your original hoses for cutting or ask them to make another pair of hoses ?
I want to shorten my hoses too, Thanks ! :hat: --> It settled now :onya:
Today I finally install HEL oil cooler on my 14.
As it was mentioned in previous post's, tubes what comes with kit are too long.
To shorten them, I purchase AN8 fitting's for rubber braided hoses (not PTFE ones). Ebay is full of offers, and I manage to find silver one, which were slightly more expensive when colored.
To cut them in size, I use small angle grinder, but it's not so important - any fast cut option to made clear cut is OK.
Hardest is, to cut stainless sleeve as clean as possible. I use idea from youtube, which I adapt to my situation:
wrap hose tight with duct tape at the place cut will be made. Then using sharp blade, snick the tape at exact place hose will be cut and take of unnecessary tape from hose. Now, there is clear line for cut, with duct tape compressing hose sleeve. After cutting and removing duck tape, it's important to clean inside of the hose. I use peace of sponge on thin cord, which I drag several times through hose.
After this, put fitting's on, and using adjustable and 22mm wrenches screw fitting in.
Take some time, but it was relatively easy :)
Hoses are quit close to headers, and this issue have to be solved someway. Have some ideas, but this is later :hat:
This is the way, I decide to mount HEL cooler, keeping and original cooling fan.
From 5mm sheet rubber, I cut gaskets and put them over mounting points on frame. Then I use 2mm rubber gasket 14mm OD and 8mm ID, and use it as shim in fan mounting holes. They are not on the picture, but are located between cooler and frame, holding fan centered on a mounting bolt (hope this make sense).
This make installation as slim as possible, and fork tubes turned all the way right or left, are not in contact with cooler.
Do not like the fan cover grill - hove to do something with it in future, but it will stay as it is for now.
Fabricate a hook, which will keep oil cooler hose away from hot headers.
Made only for right side, because I did not have any more material and left side seems less critical to me.
But I will ride and see, if I will need to fabricate a hook for left side also.