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Technically Speaking => Fuelling => Topic started by: Mister Fishfinger on Monday, 05 March 2018, 04:53 AM

Title: Fuel line connector
Post by: Mister Fishfinger on Monday, 05 March 2018, 04:53 AM
The stench of petrol tells me that the fuel coupling from the tank to the injectors is not sealing properly, I guess due to age and general lack of use. As far as I can tell this is only available from Suzuki as part of a complete hose assembly - which is a rather saucy £57 from a dealer.

Does anyone know if it's possible to buy just the coupler, or is this a Suzuki-only part?
Title: Re: Fuel line connector
Post by: T 24 on Monday, 05 March 2018, 05:04 AM
I tried with several aftermarket couplers with no success. They were all leaking after a while. Buy original.
Title: Re: Fuel line connector
Post by: gsxbarmy on Monday, 05 March 2018, 09:05 AM
Suzuki only part - actually the manual recommends changing lines every 3 years, so I guess your's hasn't done too bad.

As an interim you might try disconnecting it from the injectors and then putting it back on as re-seating it might just work. But when you take if off, try to roll it from side to side a bit rather than pull off straight. On the other hand it might just finish it off, depends how long a new one may take.

Just see this thread - will save a few pennies

http://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=217.0
Title: Re: Fuel line connector
Post by: grog on Monday, 05 March 2018, 10:28 AM
J2044 are the connectors, just a standard quick connector.Been on mine for a while, no probs.
Title: Re: Fuel line connector
Post by: KiwiCol on Monday, 05 March 2018, 02:14 PM
I just had a look at those fittings Grog, If we can replace the originals with those (and a new bit of hose) it would make it sooo much easier to get the fuel line off.  Personally I find the original fittings very fussy & fiddly, not at all friendly to take off or put on correctly. 
Those look like you just lift the retainer clip & slide off, very nice.  :onya:
Title: Re: Fuel line connector
Post by: seth on Monday, 05 March 2018, 04:30 PM
Watching with interest as original fitting can be very fiddly indeed.
:popcorn:
Title: Re: Fuel line connector
Post by: grog on Monday, 05 March 2018, 07:23 PM
j2044 is just the standard quick connectors must have. many different clips/way of releasing. the stock suzuki  ones are def. pain. i have a little tool kit of 5 release tools, most cars are still difficult. ones ive used still need a tool to release. push in clip  connectors ive not tried but will search. seems a great idea. hundreds of sellers, diff. options. high performance car guys use them, petrol&diesel. will have search tonite. i have 3 spare in tool box, still need tool to disconnect. ill post if you want but now searching the slidy clip ones. replacing fuel hose is easy, stock ones can be cut out of hose. new efi hose from shop but must use efi high pressure clamps, not normal clamps. will let you know what i found. got me interested. 
Title: Re: Fuel line connector
Post by: T 24 on Monday, 05 March 2018, 07:49 PM
Does anybody know what quick connector will fit between two 8mm dia fuel hoses, with max 6.5 bar?
I need two pairs of them. I almost burnt my bike with one Chinese 10 bar connector.
Hydraulic connector will work, but it's heavy, expensive and has wrong rubber quality to our gas.
Title: Re: Fuel line connector
Post by: grog on Monday, 05 March 2018, 09:23 PM
Sorry t24 but no answer. Think thats around 90psi? Ones ive been talking about are up to 72.
Title: Re: Fuel line connector
Post by: T 24 on Monday, 05 March 2018, 09:46 PM
Thanks for your answer grog.
They may be OK connectors for you, but my "problem" is external rising rate regulator, so my maximum fuel pressure during maximum boost can be 95 psi. That is why I have to use straight hose nipples with hose clamps. It would be easier with quick connectors, but...









Title: Re: Fuel line connector
Post by: grog on Tuesday, 06 March 2018, 11:40 AM
http://www.directindustry.com/prod/norma-group/product-15287-506547.html    T24 these handle 10 bar. Agents all over the world
Title: Re: Fuel line connector
Post by: grog on Tuesday, 06 March 2018, 01:09 PM
https://www.oemoffhighway.com/fluid-power/fluid-system/fittings-couplers/engine-components/product/10254426/parker-hannifin-corp-fluid-system-connectors-div-safe-lock-sae-j2044-fittings     Col, just found about these. Available Enzed hose shops. $5 retail. If no Enzed in NZ i can post.
Title: Re: Fuel line connector
Post by: KiwiCol on Tuesday, 06 March 2018, 03:04 PM
Quote from: grog on Tuesday, 06 March  2018, 01:09 PM
https://www.oemoffhighway.com/fluid-power/fluid-system/fittings-couplers/engine-components/product/10254426/parker-hannifin-corp-fluid-system-connectors-div-safe-lock-sae-j2044-fittings     Col, just found about these. Available Enzed hose shops. $5 retail. If no Enzed in NZ i can post.
Cool, we'd need the straight ones as opposed to that right angle one in the link.  We have Enzed here, I'll have to look them up.  Great find Grog, well done.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Fuel line connector
Post by: grog on Tuesday, 06 March 2018, 03:23 PM
Just push view gallery, straight one is there
Title: Re: Fuel line connector
Post by: gsxbarmy on Tuesday, 06 March 2018, 03:51 PM
Some useful info here - have just stickied for future reference
Title: Re: Fuel line connector
Post by: KiwiCol on Tuesday, 06 March 2018, 06:31 PM
What size fuel line do we need? 8mm?
Title: Re: Fuel line connector
Post by: grog on Tuesday, 06 March 2018, 06:52 PM
yes mate, they measure as 5/16th, same thing.
Title: Re: Fuel line connector
Post by: northern on Sunday, 15 April 2018, 04:53 AM
There is how I solve my issue of loosing OEM stopper piece today  :hat:
Title: Re: Fuel line connector
Post by: KiwiCol on Sunday, 15 April 2018, 05:39 AM
Good job. No leaks?   
If it were me, I'd be looking to replace the hose & connectors with a new / different style.  We were talking about this just recently & I'm sure there's a link to the range of new (easier to use) connectors in that thread.  I don't think the connectors were particularly expensive either.  I'll go look for the thread.
Title: Re: Fuel line connector
Post by: northern on Sunday, 15 April 2018, 05:45 AM
There was no leaking before, so it remain the same. Cable ties will just keep hose in place, same way as OEM plastic piece.
Probably will replace it later for something better, but for now - super fast and super easy solution :)
Title: Re: Fuel line connector
Post by: KiwiCol on Sunday, 15 April 2018, 05:56 AM
Roger that Northern.
Title: Re: Fuel line connector
Post by: KiwiCol on Sunday, 15 April 2018, 06:03 AM
Doh!  :doh:  The link I refer to is in this thread! 

Quote from: grog on Tuesday, 06 March  2018, 01:09 PM
https://www.oemoffhighway.com/fluid-power/fluid-system/fittings-couplers/engine-components/product/10254426/parker-hannifin-corp-fluid-system-connectors-div-safe-lock-sae-j2044-fittings     Col, just found about these. Available Enzed hose shops. $5 retail. If no Enzed in NZ i can post.
Title: Re: Fuel line connector
Post by: ajl on Sunday, 07 October 2018, 01:18 AM
i just did filter mod , bought new straight and angled fittings on flea bay .took 10 days seem good will advise oh and less the a tenner.
Title: Re: Fuel line connector
Post by: Basil Brush on Sunday, 07 October 2018, 06:41 AM
This one job that I absolutely detest. Taking tank off and disconnecting fuel line. In this day and age it's crying out for a better design. Or is there a secret to quick removal...?
Title: Re: Fuel line connector
Post by: gsxbarmy on Sunday, 07 October 2018, 08:21 AM
Quote from: Basil Brush on Sunday, 07 October  2018, 06:41 AM
This one job that I absolutely detest. Taking tank off and disconnecting fuel line. In this day and age it's crying out for a better design. Or is there a secret to quick removal...?

Don't know about quick but easier. Disconnect the fuel pump wire and undo the two bolts at the rear of the tank. Prop the rear of the tank up on the side edge of brown parcel tape. Squeeze the clip holding the fuel line on and rotate it slightly to break the seal whilst pulling backwards.

Assembly is a reverse of the above.
Title: Re: Fuel line connector
Post by: ajl on Sunday, 07 October 2018, 05:37 PM
i have ad the tank off so many times i think i have mastered it. but it is fiddly. now i have new filter below and in front of rear tank support ,it is a little easier,just. but at least the filter is washable at service intervals. i aim to cut open the temporary one i used to italy and back to see if there is any crud. i ran the bike with new filter and blocked pairs last night.it sounded much smoother and a more stable idle ,will road test it next week when weather clear .
Title: Re: Fuel line connector
Post by: Basil Brush on Monday, 08 October 2018, 12:56 AM
Quote from: gsxbarmy on Sunday, 07 October  2018, 08:21 AM
Quote from: Basil Brush on Sunday, 07 October  2018, 06:41 AM
This one job that I absolutely detest. Taking tank off and disconnecting fuel line. In this day and age it's crying out for a better design. Or is there a secret to quick removal...?

Don't know about quick but easier. Disconnect the fuel pump wire and undo the two bolts at the rear of the tank. Prop the rear of the tank up on the side edge of brown parcel tape. Squeeze the clip holding the fuel line on and rotate it slightly to break the seal whilst pulling backwards.

Assembly is a reverse of the above.

That sounds where I could be going wrong. I'll try to squeeze the clip and turn it slightly.

Oh I prefer to use a peice of 2x1 timber. To prop tank up!
Title: Re: Fuel line connector
Post by: Speedy1959 on Monday, 03 October 2022, 02:55 AM
Very old thread I know but . . . .

https://www.rubbernek.co.uk/sae-j2044-connectors/

S
Title: Re: Fuel line connector
Post by: froudy on Tuesday, 04 October 2022, 04:31 PM
The only problem I ever had with this connector was forgetting to refit it when I did my complete ground up rebuild of the bike a few years ago. The result when I tried to start her up was a large amount of fuel being sprayed out everywhere as the pump attempted to prime the system. Luckily I was outside at the time and not in my workshop. What a mess :furious:

I guarantee that you won't make the same mistake twice :rofl2:
Title: Re: Fuel line connector
Post by: grog on Tuesday, 04 October 2022, 06:44 PM
If any Aussies looking for JIS connecters, Pirtek have them.