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Title: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Kiwifruit on Wednesday, 28 February 2018, 03:56 PM
New boots for the scoota. Be interested to see how they go.
Nice to be on new tyres again.....its like a different bike.  :smitten:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: KiwiCol on Wednesday, 28 February 2018, 04:13 PM
Big holes in there Col, looks like a rat's been gnawing at it.    On a more serious note though, those deep grooves will be what makes it better in the wet than the 4.  Did ya get 50 or 55 profile rear?

How much was the set all fitted?
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: VladTepes on Wednesday, 28 February 2018, 05:24 PM
The 4 is already pretty good in the wet.
I just replaced my rear with a 55 profile 4. I didn't know the 5's were on the way.....  Ah well.

Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Kiwifruit on Wednesday, 28 February 2018, 05:31 PM
50 profile Col. Kinda wanted to stay with the same sizes as the 4's.
Yes big grooves across the crown but shoulders of the tyre are more slick.

Bloody rats been in my wallet !!

Rear $330, front $215, $15 each end to fit. I took the wheels in.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: KiwiCol on Wednesday, 28 February 2018, 05:55 PM
That's pretty good for NZ.  Yeah, I'd pay that, got plenty of meat left on mine at the mo though.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: grog on Wednesday, 28 February 2018, 07:11 PM
Kiwi, was just about to post review on Visordown. they give it such a good report. http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-product-news/michelin-road-5-full-road-and-track-test
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Kiwifruit on Wednesday, 28 February 2018, 08:24 PM
Cheers Grog. Went to tennis tonight which is roughly 30kms each way.
Having to be careful as the tyres are new but l found they turn in pretty easy, made the bike feel a lot lighter than it did on its rather worn PR4's. Felt a little softer through the bike too.
I thought when l got home the tyres were a lot warmer than l expected them to be.
Was told at the bike shop not to go dropping the pressures too much at track days as they could overheat and become a bit loose/slippery. To keep the pressure up to get good mileage. Recomending 36-38 front,  38-40 rear and up a pound or 2 for pillion or luggage. Looking forward to my ride at the weekend, off to the Superbikes at Hampton Downs.  :onya:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Red Biker on Wednesday, 28 February 2018, 08:54 PM
Interesting stuff Fruit, just spotted an offer from a UK supplier on the 5 including free fitting:

https://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorcycle/tyre-packages/michelin-road-5-120-70-zr17-58w-190-50-zr17-73w-motorcycle-tyres

I think this would be circa 462 AUS wotsits including fitting, so looks a little better relative to what you guys pay  :boogie2:

Out of interest what sort of milage did you get on the 4?

Cheers
Red
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Kiwifruit on Wednesday, 28 February 2018, 09:27 PM
Probably not a lot in it really. A NZ dollar buys 51p
(Back in the day you could buy a lot of land in NZ for a couple of blankets and a few muskets.)

As far as mileage goes l have had 3 sets of PR4's and have clocked up 45000kms. So a set a year since l've had the bike. Damn good mileage I'd say.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Red Biker on Wednesday, 28 February 2018, 10:18 PM
Thanks Fruit  :onya:
I curently have Pilot Powers on, more by chance than anything as when I bought the bike over in Ireland both tyres were illegal so I had to dive into the first garage I came across and that's all they had in stock. Having said that I've been very happy with them and they are now £100 for a set!!!

So far I've done 6k miles with probably another 1k left in them, so my dilema is.....I could in theory have 2 sets for less than the Rd 5's
Or 1 set and get the shocks professionally set up. ???

Red
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: gsxbarmy on Wednesday, 28 February 2018, 11:31 PM
1 set and get the shocks professionally set up. Suspension setup professionally is one of the best "mods" you can do
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Kiwifruit on Thursday, 01 March 2018, 02:23 AM
Agree with Barmy. Getting my suspension set up is on my list of things to do.
The Powers are a softer tyre and l believe only a single compound. No nèed to change if you are happy with them. Good price for a pair. Did see  new 5 series Powers in the rack.
They still doing them in black, so you'll be 'sweet az' Red  :onya:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Red Biker on Thursday, 01 March 2018, 02:34 AM
Thanks for the input guys, think I was talking myself into it already  :onya:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Irish in Oz on Thursday, 01 March 2018, 04:41 PM
Are they available in A and B spec  :stir:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: KiwiCol on Thursday, 01 March 2018, 04:42 PM
Yes!  & double D cup!!
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Kiwifruit on Thursday, 01 March 2018, 05:38 PM
1/4 cup is my fav !!
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: VladTepes on Saturday, 23 June 2018, 10:14 PM
@Kiwifruit how are the PR5's going?

I'm due for a new front (and have only recently put a new PR4 on the rear) but wondering whether to go a PR4 or PR5 on the front.
Thoughts?

I wouldn't think there'd be any compatibility issues with mixing them.

@Tony Nitrous any thoughts and who would you recommend to buy and fit one from?

Cheers lads
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: grog on Sunday, 24 June 2018, 07:18 PM
or Vlad, you could get some Angels, have Really good tyres.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Kiwifruit on Monday, 25 June 2018, 06:53 AM
Really like them. Done a few rides in heavy rain. Feel sure footed. The people at the little bike shop l use have a couple of their own bikes shod with them.
Dont see why you would have compatibility issues. The 5's are just next generation technology.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Andre on Monday, 25 June 2018, 08:46 AM
Quote from: VladTepes on Saturday, 23 June  2018, 10:14 PM

I'm due for a new front (and have only recently put a new PR4 on the rear) but wondering whether to go a PR4 or PR5 on the front.
Thoughts?

I wouldn't think there'd be any compatibility issues with mixing them.

According to Michelin you can mix them. See attached document.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: black14 on Monday, 25 June 2018, 08:55 AM
Just had a set of Road 5's fitted Saturday - $520 AUD fitted. I've been through PR 2s, 3s, and several sets of 4s already. Wasn't an ideal day yesterday for scrubbing in - wet/damp greasy roads (some with a distinctly greenish mossy tinge out of the car wheel lines) but put in a couple of hundred kms or so on the back roads out through Gembrook, Hoddles Creek, Healesville, Kinglake with lunch and a couple of beers at St Andrews pub.
Have to say I'm impressed - even with the usual improvement apparent with any new rubber, these things are awesome - easily scraping my boots with full confidence even in those very ordinary conditions.
Assuming they last as long as the PR 4s did (and according to the blurb should be no issues with that) I'm a fan!
I'm playing the front pressure a bit by trial - I've found with the PR 4s the front needed to be 40-42 psi to avoid scrubbing out the right hand side of the tyre really quickly - have set this one at 38 for now and will be keeping a close eye on it.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: VladTepes on Monday, 25 June 2018, 02:59 PM
@black14 its funny you should say that. I have been running  mine at around 38 and indeed it is the RHS of the tyre which has scrubbed out earlier. I don't go through THAT many roundabouts that that should be a factor, so I assume its simply to with the typical road camber.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: KiwiCol on Monday, 25 June 2018, 03:44 PM
My 4's did the same thing, chewed out the rhs of the tyre first, quite noticeably too. I used to run 36-38 in it too. 

When I put the angels on, bloke in the bike shop said it'd be beneficial to run a couple of lb higher front & rear, heavy guy & heavy (ish) bike, so I do now, for both of them. 38-40 in front & 40-42 in rear.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: black14 on Monday, 25 June 2018, 05:36 PM
I think there's more to it than road camber Vlad...

All tyres, particularly the front, wear more on the right hand side (left in other countries where they drive on the wrong side of the road!) due both to the camber and the fact that when driving on the left side of the road all the right handers are correspondingly longer (assuming all bends left and right average out to equal radius) so the tyre spends more time on the right side than the left.

But (for example) the PR2s don't do it to anywhere near the extent of the PR4s (running less than 40 psi).

I think it has to do with those fine sipes (learnt that word from the tyre ads!) that run essentially at right angles to the tyre on the PR 4s - causes the rubber to "feather" and wear. I don't really have an explanation for why more on the right hand side other than there is more right hand wear anyway so any accelerated wear is compounding.

I've no idea if this is also a symptom of heavy bike/heavy rider, riding style or just the tyre construction/tread but I would prefer to run the front at 36/38 rather then 40/42 like I have been on the PR 4s for many years (doesn't seem to impact grip but does make the front end feel a little harsh).

As the Road 5s have a different tread pattern - not so many fine sipes - I will leave it at 38 in the front for now and keep a close eye on it - previous experience tells me that once that wear pattern sets in it cannot be reversed and the front tyre life is significantly shortened.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: grog on Monday, 25 June 2018, 07:07 PM
my last angel wore out front rhs. i use 36psi. was just on 20th ks but.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Kiwifruit on Monday, 25 June 2018, 07:10 PM
I tend to run pressures on the lower side. 36F 38R around town. My reasoning being, more rubber on the road and tyre heats up quicker. With pillion or luggage l go to 38 40.
Being dual compound tyres the shoulders are a lot softer and wear quicker than the centre. Certainly camber can play a big part in the life of a tyre. Suspension setup can also have an impact on wear.
The PR4 front that l took off was not worn out but was worn enough to not want to pair up with a new rear. I now use it for putting my wheels on when i'm doing maintainence on them. Without air in the wear on both the left and right sides of that  tyre is quite pronounced.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Hooli on Monday, 25 June 2018, 07:28 PM
My PR4s wear a lot worse on the right of the front tyre too, I got it with the PR2s/PR3s as well but it seems more noticeable on the 4s. I should be trying 5s next time I get a pair so we'll see.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: grog on Monday, 25 June 2018, 09:17 PM
Kiwi, i might be wrong but only rear is dual compound, Michy n Pirelli.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Hooli on Monday, 25 June 2018, 10:14 PM
Dual compounds at both ends from what I can find on google https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/news/michelin-pilot-road-4#page-3
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Kiwifruit on Monday, 25 June 2018, 10:28 PM
PR4 front and rear are Dual Compound.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: grog on Tuesday, 26 June 2018, 07:34 AM
Told you i could be wrong. Not unusual. Angel fr is single
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: VladTepes on Tuesday, 26 June 2018, 09:37 AM
Good oh, well when the time comes I'll get a PR5.
Just need to find best ride in/ride out price.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Blubber on Tuesday, 26 June 2018, 08:43 PM
I just got back from a 2.000km round trip in Germany - the Vulkan Eifel district. :cool:
Prior to that i had to replace the Angel GT's because they were near the thread wear indicator... i went to the road 5 too

Coming from a set 2 year old - 20.000km experienced - nearly done GT's .. you will notice that low speed cornering is somewhat different on the 5's.

Other than that.. a good alternative for the GT.

First impressions are good, not sensitive for road snakes or the white road markings. Very planted nice feed back  :onya:

Running 2.5barg front 2.9barg rear. ( 190 / 55 -17")

Cant fail them
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: VladTepes on Tuesday, 26 June 2018, 10:42 PM
whats a barg?
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Hooli on Tuesday, 26 June 2018, 10:51 PM
Looks like bar with a random G added on (predictive text I bet).
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: seth on Tuesday, 26 June 2018, 11:26 PM
Must be as if it was in Dutch it would have a random j and k in the word.
:stir:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Blubber on Wednesday, 27 June 2018, 08:08 PM
Quote from: VladTepes on Tuesday, 26 June  2018, 10:42 PM
whats a barg?

Barg is Bar Gauge = overpressure
BarA is Bar Absolute

must be a Metric mainland thing  :imrgreen:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Hooli on Wednesday, 27 June 2018, 08:50 PM
Quote from: Blubber on Wednesday, 27 June  2018, 08:08 PM
Quote from: VladTepes on Tuesday, 26 June  2018, 10:42 PM
whats a barg?

Barg is Bar Gauge = overpressure
BarA is Bar Absolute

must be a Metric mainland thing  :imrgreen:

Now I never knew that.

Generally BarA is 1bar higher than BarG then? Obviously different if your 6,000ft under the sea.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Blubber on Wednesday, 27 June 2018, 09:09 PM
Quote from: Hooli on Wednesday, 27 June  2018, 08:50 PM
Quote from: Blubber on Wednesday, 27 June  2018, 08:08 PM
Quote from: VladTepes on Tuesday, 26 June  2018, 10:42 PM
whats a barg?

Barg is Bar Gauge = overpressure
BarA is Bar Absolute

must be a Metric mainland thing  :imrgreen:

Now I never knew that.

Generally BarA is 1bar higher than BarG then? Obviously different if your 6,000ft under the sea.
Completely correct.

Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: VladTepes on Thursday, 28 June 2018, 09:27 AM
So what does that all mean in PSI's ?
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Hooli on Thursday, 28 June 2018, 06:26 PM
1 bar is 14.5038psi.

So 2.5bar is 36.2594psi
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: VladTepes on Thursday, 23 August 2018, 10:52 AM
OK well time for a new front tyre. I have a pair of PR4's currently.

Was thinking of a PR5 but speaking to Mick (Motorcycle MAD for the locals who know him) he's had two bikes come in recently that had PR4 on rear and PR5 on front and having front end stability issues with lots of wobbling.

Seems that the 5 is more round in profile and the 4 more 'square'-ish and they don't like fighting against one another.

He's recommended that I put another 4 on the front for now and at some point bite the bullet and do both tyres and once to go for a matched pair.

As I only replaced the rear in February it's in no need of replacement for now.

So I'll be heading off later to get a new tyre.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: grog on Thursday, 23 August 2018, 12:16 PM
Good info Vlad.A Must to remember by the Michy Users. I totally believe as yrs ago, had Michys on a bike. Changed just fr tyre, a newer model, was virtually unrideable.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Kiwifruit on Thursday, 23 August 2018, 12:51 PM
I put a pair of 5's on .....no complaints.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Hooli on Thursday, 23 August 2018, 05:27 PM
Good info on the 5s as I've always found mine a touch reluctant to turn on 4s & that'd explain it.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: grog on Thursday, 23 August 2018, 07:36 PM
Hooli, i promised not to talk tyres ever again. just once more. no idea or try on 5s, after 3s &4s, pirelli just turn in so much easier, i was amazed by first corner. other thing is no tram tracking. michys do. another 5 th ks also good. end of story.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: KiwiCol on Thursday, 23 August 2018, 07:40 PM
Bet there's volume 3 & 4 in the wings . . .  :whistling: :lol: :cheers:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: VladTepes on Friday, 24 August 2018, 09:55 AM
Oh definitely !  :D

And here I was thinking that when the time comes to replace both... easy answer Michelin Road 5's.
Now you're telling me Pirelli and no tram tracking - sounds good. Might have to risk those.  SO expect this discussion to revive at that time :)

As an aside: The PR4 front was poisonously expensive. But since the rear was new in Feb and hasn't seen too much other than commuting and some weekends, its still in very good nick. If it had been half worn or worse I'd have replaced the two on the spot.

As another aside. Evidently the reason that Michelin went from PR4 (Pilot Road) to simply Road 5, is that in their minds "Pilot" means sport and these are not (in their minds) a sports tyre.  No idea what that means in the real world, if anything.

Quote from: Kiwifruit on Thursday, 23 August  2018, 12:51 PM
I put a pair of 5's on .....no complaints.

Precisely. A pair.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Hooli on Friday, 24 August 2018, 07:21 PM
Odd as they used to have 'pilot sport' & 'pilot road' as two different tyres.

I'm very tempted by angels next too, I've been told GT on the rear & ST on the front works best. Of course now I've found PR4s ride better with a 180/55 on the back so I stick to that size or go back to 190 for the Angels?
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: KiwiCol on Friday, 24 August 2018, 07:33 PM
Might want to check that with Irish Hooli, ST would be a softer casing ? yes?    Think Irish runs (or did) A spec.  Mind you, I've seen the tyres after he's been on them. . .  the term 'gusto & exuberance' come to mind.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: grog on Friday, 24 August 2018, 07:56 PM
never commenting on tyres comes to mind, just stop.  :laugh:irish just destroys tyres, must beat me over a 100ks by 20. angels gt are newer tech than st,stick with newer. mine have worked so well for ages. grip, last, dont tram track. just keep the pressure up. 36/38. irish uses a spec. higher load, thicker sidewall. he loves them. back when angels first came out, 2015?, no one in oz knew anything about which to use. i sent email to pirelli in italy. got answer from actually head of pirelli tech dept. yeah, ive kept it, was amazed. a spec not needed for 14 his answer. irish disagrees. either way, bloody good tyres.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Big Geordi on Wednesday, 29 August 2018, 06:09 PM
I am still using the original Pilot Powers great tyre  :cheers:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Bielie45 on Wednesday, 29 August 2018, 10:01 PM
I love my Angles
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Speedy1959 on Thursday, 30 August 2018, 05:49 PM
My Angels seem to bring out the Devil in me ! :devil:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: grog on Wednesday, 17 October 2018, 04:09 PM
Just a word about Michelin5. Today was at tyre shop pricing up a new Angel. Bloke was telling me , just serviced a BMW 1200r, Michy 5 on it have done 30 th ks, reckons theyll go close to 40. Thats big mileage.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: ARH on Wednesday, 17 October 2018, 05:15 PM
30k??  Is the PR5 made with some sort of magical compound that provide good grip and longevity?  If that's true that's a game changer for tyre manufacturers....
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: VladTepes on Wednesday, 17 October 2018, 05:20 PM
Michy 5 hasn't been out too long, getting 30K kms on it is a good effort.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Bielie45 on Wednesday, 17 October 2018, 06:07 PM
That sounds a bit vat.......wow, are some 14 owners on them? Their feedback will me more real in my opinion.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Notty on Wednesday, 17 October 2018, 06:26 PM
Quote from: VladTepes on Wednesday, 17 October  2018, 05:20 PM
Michy 5 hasn't been out too long, getting 30K kms on it is a good effort.
They were released in February this year  :)
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Kiwifruit on Wednesday, 17 October 2018, 07:20 PM
Only done about 7k on Michy 5's, not yet half worn. Pretty happy with them.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: grog on Wednesday, 17 October 2018, 07:22 PM
bloke commutes sunshine coast to brisbane each day. 200 or so each day. adds up quickly.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Blubber on Wednesday, 17 October 2018, 08:15 PM
I have a set of Michelin road 5 on my 14.

Only done 8.000km till now.

As a moderate rider i find them equal to the Angel GT i had before them.
Mind you.. the tires on my 14 were never the limiting factor, it has always been me.

the front profile makes it a bit heavier to turn them ( shed maneuvering pace )

Not a biggie once moving above 15- 20 kph they are normal

Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Jeykey on Thursday, 18 October 2018, 02:08 AM
Fitted my Road 5´s a fortnight ago and so far so good. Haven´t "really" tried them yet, still new, but I can say the bike seems a bit different from the BT021´s. 285€ total for both, what´s the price you paid on your side of the world ? Just outta curiosity.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Kiwifruit on Thursday, 18 October 2018, 03:17 AM
Jeykey have a look at early posts. Price is NZ dollars. :onya:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Jeykey on Thursday, 18 October 2018, 06:57 AM
Quote from: Kiwifruit on Thursday, 18 October  2018, 03:17 AM
Jeykey have a look at early posts. Price is NZ dollars. :onya:
That´s about 340€. Well, I too was quoted for a price like that here; taking in concern they´re from around (French brand and Spanish made) I suppose it´s a fair price for you down there.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: black14 on Wednesday, 20 February 2019, 06:04 PM
Ok guys - pictures of my PR5s at 20k kms.
Mostly commuting (50kms each way, 17km freeway with the rest mostly 70/80 km/h zone residential) with a 3.5k km run up to the MCR at Wauchope and back and a few 400/500km day rides round the hills.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: black14 on Wednesday, 20 February 2019, 06:14 PM
A hopefully better pic of the rear...
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: grog on Wednesday, 20 February 2019, 07:15 PM
They look knackcred mate, your thoughts on them. Buy again?
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Notty on Wednesday, 20 February 2019, 07:31 PM
Thats 12000 miles? seems pretty good to me  :)
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: seth on Wednesday, 20 February 2019, 07:45 PM
@Notty they live on the upside down part of the world  :whistling:
it'll be 12000 kms.
It's that's still not to bad a mileage as still life left in the tyres .
:cheers:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: black14 on Wednesday, 20 February 2019, 07:47 PM
Yeah - I'll buy them again.
Really like the wet performance and the edge grip in the dry is great with the soft compound.
I agree they're knackered - that's why I'm getting new ones! But 20k kms is a fair run in my book!
:cheers:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Mick_J on Wednesday, 20 February 2019, 08:20 PM
Tyres should last longer on the other side of the planet as there is less gravity there, if you don't believe me dip a football into water and lift it out and look to see where all the drips are, the bottom, therefore less gravity, simples.  :whistling:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Sweaty on Wednesday, 20 February 2019, 08:37 PM
Quote from: seth on Wednesday, 20 February  2019, 07:45 PM
@Notty they live on the upside down part of the world  :whistling:
it'll be 12000 kms.
It's that's still not to bad a mileage as still life left in the tyres .
:cheers:

No 20,000 kms Seth, Notty had converted to miles already.
Thats bloody good to me.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: grog on Wednesday, 20 February 2019, 09:13 PM
Mjgt, i really wanted to comment, i wont.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: seth on Wednesday, 20 February 2019, 09:58 PM
12000 miles is great in any book
Still looks a bit of life in them yet do they still feel ok and handle as they should I notice with the Pirelli's they don't handle quite as good when at the very end of there lives. .
Must be due to the lower gravity  :stir:and the drip effect  :whistling:

:cheers:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Globalrider on Thursday, 21 February 2019, 03:05 PM
Lot's of upright riding there! - Still I ran a tyre in Montana on my 1200S Bandit and made it to the next town to find a racer with some knackered track day tyres - nothing on the shoulders but plenty of meat in the middle and it got me home - 1000kms !!! that is where I earned my handle SHREAD!! WE re-shoes'd them by hand!
:hat:
Stan
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: black14 on Thursday, 21 February 2019, 05:28 PM
Quotedo they still feel ok and handle as they should
No - they track white lines and road seams really badly now - last 2-3 weeks (around 2000kms) especially. I find that happens with PR3s PR4s and Road 5s - not sure if any are better or worse. As far as dry grip goes they're fine still - the Road 5s are way better in that regard than the PR3s/PR4s, particularly when you get on the very visible soft compound part of  the tyre.

QuoteLot's of upright riding there!
Yeah - I try to keep it that way on the commute - way too much traffic to be carving S's up the freeway!  :rofl2:

Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Mick_J on Thursday, 21 February 2019, 07:36 PM
Quote from: grog on Wednesday, 20 February  2019, 09:13 PM
Mjgt, i really wanted to comment, i wont.

Well at least I got a nibble  :lol:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Kiwifruit on Saturday, 23 November 2019, 02:35 PM
Picked up my new tyres. Will get them fitted in the next week or so.
Just looked to see how long the old 5's had been on and 2th Feb 2018 was when l started this thread.
I reckon they have done in excess of 16000kms. Some would still get more milage out of them but with squared rubber the bike handles poorly.
Looking forward to trying the 55 profile.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: grog on Saturday, 23 November 2019, 04:43 PM
Col, what is the reasoning behind fitting 55. Quicker steer in? My best guess is youve been watching Rins, need more corner clearance.  :)
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Kiwifruit on Saturday, 23 November 2019, 09:41 PM
Ground clearance is never an issue Grog. Just wanted to try one. Seems a lot on here are using a 55 profile and no one has said l'm not doing that again.
Say they turn in easier, l wouldnt mind that. Had intended to try Pirelli in which case l would have stayed with a 50.
Pirelli are just so expensive nobody in town stocks them. Mitchys cost me $550 and $50 to fit. Pirelli are another $100.
As an aside l could have bought a pair of Road Pilot 2's for the same price as l paid for the rear tyre. Those tyres must be 10 years old.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Hooli on Sunday, 24 November 2019, 04:11 AM
I'm running a 55 profile, but on a 180 tyre. It'll be interesting to hear how that works as the slightly larger OD will gear the bike up a touch (not enough to notice I'm sure).
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: KiwiCol on Sunday, 24 November 2019, 04:20 AM
Yes, I'll be interested in your perceptions of them after you've run them for a while. 
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: BlueDragon on Sunday, 24 November 2019, 04:25 PM
Quote from: Hooli on Sunday, 24 November  2019, 04:11 AM
I'm running a 55 profile, but on a 180 tyre. It'll be interesting to hear how that works as the slightly larger OD will gear the bike up a touch (not enough to notice I'm sure).

I wonder how much difference that will make to the speedo.

According to my GPS, my speedo needs to sit on around 106-107kph to be doing a real 100kph.

I have a Michelin Pilot Road 5 on the rear with a Pilot Road 4 on the front.  Was like that when I bought the bike.

It's never let go on me at all, even when leaning right over two-up.  But I don't like the lack of feedback at times and the tyres seem to take a while and number of corners to get warmed up.

I know - totally different bike - but my VFR800 Vtec with Metzeller Roadtec-01 front and rear is fantastic, lots of feedback and next to no time to warm up.  But as with all things - its all a personal thing.  I now have a Pirelli Angel GT on the rear of the VFR.  Feels almost the same as the Roadtec-01, but is a touch firmer in ride comfort. Not badly, but noticeably firmer with the same suspension settings. (I have a CBR929 Fireblade rear shock conversion kit in the VFR, so have preload, rebound and compression adjustment)

But I think when time comes for replacement, I'll go back to the Metzeller, feels better with grip and is more comfortable.  The only reason I changed is that I only got 9800 klms out of the rear Roadtec.  That is 2-up, but but my wife is only 48kg.  So was hoping for a few more kilometres from the Roadtec than what I got.

The michelins on the 1400 still have a lot of life left in them, but will most likely change to Pirelli Angel GT 2 when the time comes for replacement.  I've not really liked Michelins on any of the bikes I've owned.  (The VFR had Pilot Road 3 tyres on it when I bought them - hated them, but they were over 6 years old and felt like they were going to let go every time I went around a corner,  the VFR had spent a lot of its life sitting in a garage until I bought it).

Personally, I've always found michelin's to be  a tad harsh in ride comfort.  Even back to the late 80's and 90's when I had a GSX750EFF and tried a set of Michelin A-49's..  hated them and got rid of them within a few months of fitting them.  Luckily back then my brother had a motorcycle shop, so getting a different set of tyres wasn't an issue.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: grog on Sunday, 24 November 2019, 05:09 PM
Funny you mentioned the A49, sticks in my mind as one of the worst. A48 wore out so on went 49.Went up thru a favourite road, can remember i thought it must be half flat. Off after just one weekend. Would not hold a line in corners.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Kiwifruit on Sunday, 24 November 2019, 06:08 PM
Ok so just got home from a 500km round trip to Auckland and back down the Firth of Thames. Me thinks the new tyres should go on tomorrow.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: grog on Sunday, 24 November 2019, 06:47 PM
Lets know your thoughts Col.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Hooli on Sunday, 24 November 2019, 07:25 PM
Quote from: BlueDragon on Sunday, 24 November  2019, 04:25 PM
Quote from: Hooli on Sunday, 24 November  2019, 04:11 AM
I'm running a 55 profile, but on a 180 tyre. It'll be interesting to hear how that works as the slightly larger OD will gear the bike up a touch (not enough to notice I'm sure).

I wonder how much difference that will make to the speedo.

According to my GPS, my speedo needs to sit on around 106-107kph to be doing a real 100kph.

On a 180/55 Angel GT my bike shows 60mph at a GPS 56mph. I think when I had a standard sized PR4 on it'd have shown about 58-59mph at a true 56mph. So not a huge difference.

Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Irish in Oz on Monday, 25 November 2019, 03:12 AM
My thoughts on this is a 55 profile has a smaller footprint for those that want more life/wear out of their tyres not for you, someone that wants more sports give it a go. Never tried it myself only the 180/55 once still run standard. As for speedo readings who cares, if it worries you that much run a gps all the time.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Hooli on Monday, 25 November 2019, 04:03 AM
55 profile tips in easier as it's 'pointier' that's why I like it. As for speedo, I like to know how far out so I can do the right speed at cameras/average speed zones etc.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Irish in Oz on Monday, 25 November 2019, 04:24 AM
And I totally agree with you Hooli about tipping in, but put on the different tyre speedo will change and it will as it wears, so put stickers on the clock to give true reading without thinking about it all the time.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Kiwifruit on Monday, 25 November 2019, 08:13 AM
Irish there are sites that will calculate the difference in speedo reading with different size tyres......just got to find one :confused1:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Irish in Oz on Monday, 25 November 2019, 08:36 AM
As I said on post above Col "who cares" if it worries you use a GPS.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Hooli on Monday, 25 November 2019, 08:41 AM
I do it manually.

As far as I know this is correct -

A 190/50ZR17 tyre is
190mm wide
190*0.5 high, so 95mm
on a 17" Rim or 431.8mm in french

Total height = 431.8+(2x95)=621.8
621*Pi = 1953.44mm diameter

A 180/55ZR17 tyre is
180mm wide
180*0.55 high, so 99mm
on a 17" Rim or 431.8mm in french

Total height = 431.8+(2x99)=629.8
621*Pi = 1978.58mm diameter

Difference -
1978.58 - 1953.44 = 25.14mm
(25.14 / 1978.58 = 0.0128) * 100 = 1.28%

So a 180/55 tyre is 1.28% larger & will give a speedo reading that much lower.

(I must have been thinking of a 180/50 earlier when I said it was smaller).

Simple eh?
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Hooli on Monday, 25 November 2019, 08:42 AM
As for who cares, it's much cheaper to work it out without buying the new tyres & going for a ride to check the GPS.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Irish in Oz on Monday, 25 November 2019, 08:45 AM
NOW THIS IS GETTING FECKIN STUPID.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Irish in Oz on Monday, 25 November 2019, 08:51 AM
Hooli you are buying new tyres regardless of brand, so are you saying a Michelin and a Pirelli or any other brand will be exactly the same perimeter because they say the same numbers on the side wall.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Kiwifruit on Monday, 25 November 2019, 09:40 AM
So it seems the difference between a 55 and a 50 at 100kph is a 55 will make the speedo read about 3kph lower.
My 107kph camera ticket would now be for 110kph.
So thats it end of story .....life is easy.   
:onya:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Hooli on Monday, 25 November 2019, 09:21 PM
Quote from: Irish in Oz on Monday, 25 November  2019, 08:51 AM
Hooli you are buying new tyres regardless of brand, so are you saying a Michelin and a Pirelli or any other brand will be exactly the same perimeter because they say the same numbers on the side wall.

No I think they differ a bit, but I've never seen an online calculator that takes account of the make/model of the tyre either.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: GSXKING on Monday, 25 November 2019, 09:29 PM
I had these fitted to my bike two months ago. :boogie: The grip level is great now :onya:. I had to drop my pressures from Metzler Z7's. 180/55 rear 120/70 front. Lifter kit under rear shocks. Turn in is really positive. I really want to test them in the wet if it ever rains again  :whatever:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Milts on Tuesday, 26 November 2019, 03:18 AM
Quote from: Kiwifruit on Monday, 25 November  2019, 08:13 AM
Irish there are sites that will calculate the difference in speedo reading with different size tyres......just got to find one :confused1:


  Maybe of some help

https://www.tacomaworld.com/tirecalc
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Kiwifruit on Tuesday, 26 November 2019, 04:06 AM
Thanks Milts. Thats the one l found but unlike yourself am not skilled enough to do the cut n paste thingy    :worshippy:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Milts on Wednesday, 27 November 2019, 12:22 AM
@Kiwifruit

                      Believe me i struggle with all this techy stuff myself.

I will try and explain how to attach a link.

Move the cursor into the search window at the top of the page,  for example   gsx1400owners.org/forum....... 

left click - that will highlight the wording in blue
then right click - a drop down box will appear
then left click the word 'copy'


Now to insert the link into the message you are preparing, move the cursor to where you want attach link

left click, then right click - a drop down will appear left click the word 'paste'.

Hey presto your link should appear.


I'm sure someone can come along with a better 'how to' but hope that helps  :onya: 
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Kiwifruit on Wednesday, 27 November 2019, 02:56 AM
Sounds easy Milts   :cheers:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Kiwifruit on Friday, 29 November 2019, 06:40 AM
Talking to the mechanic that fitted my tyres and it appears l have been running  the 5's too low.
Seems Michelin recommend 36F, 42R
l had been running 36/38 with a tyre gauge read 2 psi low.
And l wonder why they had squared up  :facepalm:
Nice be back on a bike with new boots.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: KiwiCol on Friday, 29 November 2019, 06:52 AM
Now ya just gotta do a trip over the Kaimai's n let us know the difference in 50 / 55, no rush though, anytime before afternoon tea is fine.   :onya: :cheers:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: VladTepes on Friday, 29 November 2019, 03:05 PM
So where do our bikes actually read the speedo from?
Older bikes I've had have all been from the front wheel and obviously as long as that isn't changed then the speedo never changes either.
But if changing rear tyre changes speedo reading then I assume its being measured at the front sprocket perhaps?
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: grog on Friday, 29 November 2019, 04:04 PM
Yeah Vlad, front sprocket.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Kiwifruit on Friday, 29 November 2019, 04:20 PM
Quote from: KiwiCol on Friday, 29 November  2019, 06:52 AM
Now ya just gotta do a trip over the Kaimai's n let us know the difference in 50 / 55, no rush though, anytime before afternoon tea is fine.   :onya: :cheers:


Kaimai's are not the place for scrubbing tyres these days Col.
Likely to get a portrait taken   :thumbs_down:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: KiwiCol on Friday, 29 November 2019, 05:29 PM
Baypark?  is that still going?
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Kiwifruit on Friday, 29 November 2019, 06:27 PM
No Col ..... Long gone, chocka full of houses these days .
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Candelini on Saturday, 01 February 2020, 08:04 PM
Hey guys , the Michelin Road 5 is the best tire I've driven so far!!!! :onya:  Accelerating out of the curves is insane :clapping:               
Drive carefully and stay on it. :salute:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: grog on Saturday, 01 February 2020, 08:16 PM
Know nothing about Michy 5 except bike shop owner told me , r1200 he services, over 40 th ks. Commutes 100 k each way to Brisbane. Thats insane mileage.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Andre on Sunday, 02 February 2020, 03:28 AM
I love 'em so far. Absolutely awesome in the twisties.  :worshippy: "Unfortunately" I have to invest in new foot pegs because of them. Can't say anything about longevity. Can't say anything about them in the wet either. That's where they are supposed to shine the most. As I only ride on dry roads I never will (knock on wood).
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: Kiwifruit on Sunday, 02 February 2020, 02:46 PM
On my second set
Put a 55 profile on the rear this time. Feels a bit more nimble.
Reckon l could easily have got 20 thousand kms but l ran them a bit flat. Tyre guy says Michelin recommend 38f 42r so mine sqùared up bad.
l ride in all weather. Great tyre.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: GSXKING on Monday, 03 February 2020, 08:39 PM
Looks like I will get my wish to go and test these in the rain over the next few days. Been a few months since fitting them and dry grip is excellent.  :onya:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5
Post by: VladTepes on Thursday, 06 February 2020, 05:47 PM
I was super peeved that I got a flat rear tyre a whole back which had to be replaced and all advice was not to match a Road 5 rear and PR4 front (quite different profiles) As the front was near-new I just went with another PR4 rear.

It'll (hopefully) be ages til I next need to replace both tyres, but I wish I had just bitten the bullet, bought 2 5's and sold the front PR4. Ah well...