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Title: Fork Dismantling Tool
Post by: KiwiCol on Saturday, 10 February 2018, 05:53 PM
Can someone please give me directions for making a fork disassembly tool for a K6.  I've read it's a 1" pipe with slots cut in with a grinder (Thx hooli) but how long does the pipe need to be?  How wide do the slots need to be cut? How deep do the slots need to be? What sort of wall thickness of the pipe? Any pic's of said item?

Took the black for a burst today, found oil coming out the top past the dust seal, say the seal is shot.  Anyone remember the Kawasaki seal number?  Recall it was the same part but way cheaper.

Thx guys.
Title: Re: Fork Dismantling Tool
Post by: grog on Saturday, 10 February 2018, 06:30 PM
Kiwi, do you have bike suspension bloke near you? Now is chance to get them upgraded, springs etc. well worth the bucks, makes a big diff. A real big diff. Youll be amazed, i was.
Title: Re: Fork Dismantling Tool
Post by: seth on Saturday, 10 February 2018, 06:34 PM
http://gsx1400owners.org/forum_test/index.php?topic=378.msg3079#msg3079

the pipe with the cross cut in to the end is for the earlier models you'll find details for both on this thread .
mine and vici's both .
Title: Re: Fork Dismantling Tool
Post by: KiwiCol on Saturday, 10 February 2018, 06:40 PM
No unfortunately. I did go to see a bloke who was supposed to be good, spent about 2 hours talking to me about the forks, but never did anything, was going to find out stuff on 14 forks & get back to me, months later I went back, he looked up his dairy, found the entry & recalled it. said he'd get onto it & call me, never did.
So, No, there's nothing in Christchurch that I can find.  There's places in Akl, but they're out of the question. Like living in Syd or Mel & finding a place in Cairns that'll do the work - not going to happen aye.

And, it's for the black, so no rush. Liked riding it as a naked today too. Thinking along the lines of having the black as a hooligan / track bike & the blue as a more sedate tourer.  Take the 17 front off the blue & bung it on the black, put some new bars on it & fix the fork oil leak, get it re-complied & have both.    Just thinking, as I did like the ride today without the front fairing n all the other bits.
Title: Re: Fork Dismantling Tool
Post by: seth on Saturday, 10 February 2018, 06:47 PM
@gsxbarmy  might be able to help with the forkseal part numbers i can't find it .
i do remember that suzuki did drop the price of std seals so there was hardly any price difference here in the uk .
:cheers:

this thread has a step by step for changing the seals

http://gsx1400owners.org/forum_test/index.php?topic=220.0

:cheers:
Title: Re: Fork Dismantling Tool
Post by: KiwiCol on Saturday, 10 February 2018, 06:55 PM
Thx Seth, yeah read it.  That's how I know I need that tool to hold it inside.  I do have an air impact gun though, maybe I'd get away with it?  Might be worth a try. Doing it up might be a different story without any way to hold it still.  Air gun would probably over tighten it.

I'll get onto local agent here & find prices for bars & fork seals.   I looked at Renthal bars, $77 but $135 in shipping!! nuts.  OEM here (I think) are only $150. 
Title: Re: Fork Dismantling Tool
Post by: seth on Saturday, 10 February 2018, 07:04 PM
i dont use an air gun but you should be able to strip it down with out the tools if you have one all the holding tool does is holds the cartridge while you undo the bolt from the bottom an air gun should spin the bolt fast enough that the cartridge comes lose without holding it and same when tightening on the refitting just stop as soon as its tight don't go mad and you'll be ok .
Title: Re: Fork Dismantling Tool
Post by: KiwiCol on Saturday, 10 February 2018, 07:07 PM
Ok, Thx.  I'll have a crack at that then.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Fork Dismantling Tool
Post by: seth on Saturday, 10 February 2018, 07:13 PM
just go easy and you'll be fine the other trick is to wedge some bits of wood down the sides of the cartridge to help stop it spinning .
remember to check your fork stantions when apart for wear and any sharp edges/missing chrome that has caused the seal to fail in the first place .
:cheers:
Title: Re: Fork Dismantling Tool
Post by: KiwiCol on Saturday, 10 February 2018, 07:15 PM
It never leaked before, I'd say it has something to do with going over that bank & into the trees.
Title: Re: Fork Dismantling Tool
Post by: seth on Saturday, 10 February 2018, 07:18 PM
then while apart check it's not bent roll on a piece of plate glass or a known flat surface to see
I'm sure it'll be ok and just the shock of the sudden compression made it leak  but as its apart worth checking
:cheers:
Title: Re: Fork Dismantling Tool
Post by: gsxbarmy on Saturday, 10 February 2018, 08:54 PM
Quote from: seth on Saturday, 10 February  2018, 06:47 PM
@gsxbarmy  might be able to help with the forkseal part numbers i can't find it .
i do remember that suzuki did drop the price of std seals so there was hardly any price difference here in the uk .
:cheers:

this thread has a step by step for changing the seals

http://gsx1400owners.org/forum_test/index.php?topic=220.0

:cheers:

Fork Oil Seal: 51153-42F00
Fork Dust Deal: 51173-42F00

@seth @KiwiCol
Title: Re: Fork Dismantling Tool
Post by: Andre on Saturday, 10 February 2018, 09:15 PM
Those originals would set me back by 90€ but can get them for 25€ from All Balls (56-150) (both include S&H)

While you have it apart you may want/need to do more. All Balls (38-6087) repair kit (does not contain the seals and dust cap) would cost 30€.

Title: Re: Fork Dismantling Tool
Post by: Andre on Saturday, 10 February 2018, 10:01 PM
I just saw that you Brits can get the seals and dust rings much cheaper than I do. Ok, at least I thought so. Suzuki Germany has them substantially reduced.

Also, while the seals and dust rings have the same number for K2 and K6, I am not sure if the same holds true for the repair kit.
Title: Re: Fork Dismantling Tool
Post by: Snapey on Saturday, 10 February 2018, 11:10 PM
A rattle gun will get it apart Col then you can make a tool to suit.
Title: Re: Fork Dismantling Tool
Post by: seth on Sunday, 11 February 2018, 12:55 AM
dust seals ,oil seals and bushing are the same across all models as are the lower fork castings but it's the internals , springs and stantions that differ
:cheers:
Title: Re: Fork Dismantling Tool
Post by: froudy on Sunday, 11 February 2018, 01:07 AM
Quote from: Andre on Saturday, 10 February  2018, 10:01 PM
I just saw that you Brits can get the seals and dust rings much cheaper than I do. Ok, at least I thought so. Suzuki Germany has them substantially reduced.



Suzuki UK dropped the price for their seals as well...I think we can now get fork seals and dust seals for approx £10 each. They used to be around £23 just for one fork seal!!
Title: Re: Fork Dismantling Tool
Post by: KiwiCol on Sunday, 11 February 2018, 04:30 AM
Quote from: Snapey on Saturday, 10 February  2018, 11:10 PM
A rattle gun will get it apart Col then you can make a tool to suit.

Thanks Pete, I was thinking of doing it this way last night, get it apart with the air gun then make the tool, (well, get the guys at work to make me one) least I'd have something physical to check the fit etc. 
Title: Re: Fork Dismantling Tool
Post by: KiwiCol on Sunday, 11 February 2018, 04:33 AM
Quote from: gsxbarmy on Saturday, 10 February  2018, 08:54 PM
Quote from: seth on Saturday, 10 February  2018, 06:47 PM
@gsxbarmy  might be able to help with the forkseal part numbers i can't find it .
i do remember that suzuki did drop the price of std seals so there was hardly any price difference here in the uk .
:cheers:

this thread has a step by step for changing the seals

http://gsx1400owners.org/forum_test/index.php?topic=220.0

:cheers:

Fork Oil Seal: 51153-42F00
Fork Dust Deal: 51173-42F00

@seth @KiwiCol
Cheers Dave, I'll have a look online to see what we can get & check prices down under before I visit the Suzuki dealer & see how much they want to charge.   Good to have a comparison avail.
Title: Re: Fork Dismantling Tool
Post by: KiwiCol on Sunday, 11 February 2018, 05:56 AM
Found the set Andre mentioned (Thx @Andre) All Balls 56-150, set of 2 oil seals & 2 dust seals, (from Norway!) landed here NZD $42.  Might get a 2nd set as a spare for the blue.  Will check Suzuki NZ price first, least I've got a backup.
Title: Re: Fork Dismantling Tool
Post by: KiwiCol on Sunday, 11 February 2018, 06:45 AM
Just did it, brought the All Balls 56-150 set of 2 seals & 2 dust seals.   Also brought some Renthal 754 bars while I was clicking away online.   Now we wait for the goodies to arrive.
Title: Re: Fork Dismantling Tool
Post by: KiwiCol on Sunday, 11 February 2018, 08:28 AM
That's cool, just had confirmation the Seals set has shipped!!  Only been a couple of hours since I ordered it & it's Sunday morning here.

The company is called (on E-Bay) "Vintage-to-modern-bike-parts"   in Norway.

Long way for seals to come, but good price & I've got time.