Hi All..
This weekend I intend to fir the seal upgrade to the clutch slave cylinder.
2 questions..
1. When fitting the seal I assume to protruding part of the seal faces inwards towards the engine sprocket?
2. I read the How to on here and he says he uses "Red Rubber Grease".. Would normal grease not be recommended?
I know some petroleum products are harmful to rubber.. Is normal grease one of them?
I do have a tube of Caliper grease in the shed that is used to lubricate the sliding pins on brake calipers that live under the rubber bellows.. I assume I could use this OK?
Thanks in advance for your usual help and advice.
S.
over to barmy on this one .
:cheers:
I'd say (and would use myself) the caliper grease would be fine to use. The stuff Dave is talking about would be a 'safe' grease to use on rubber components.
But, Dave will no doubt be along soon & explain his rationale on the red grease.
On a related subject..
I have been using this on parts of the rear suspension linkages on previous bikes that are subject to water / salt water (in the UK)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OUTBOARD-MOTOR-BOAT-WATERPROOF-TRIPLE-GUARD-GREASE-MERCURY-MARINER-EVINRUDE-/161483608516
Havent used it on the 14 yet!
1. Goes the other way - protruding part fits in piston. It is a tight fit as it will move together with the piston. See attached pic (27A) for orientation.
2. I used the red rubber grease as I had some lying around. Otherwise I would use Silicone grease which is also used at other spots of the 14, for example the hub shock absorbers (located in the rear sprocket carrier).
Andre thats spot on..
Thanks very much..
S.
As Andre says :onya:
You can use Silicone grease, I've only used Red Rubber grease as its not harmful to the seals, and is what you use when re-assembling calipers to enable the pistons to slide past the seals. Only ever bought a small 15g tin and still have loads left (at £1.79 - a bargain!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/15g-Castrol-Red-Rubber-Grease-Brake-Caliper-Fluid-Mini-Tin-BUY-2-GET-5-OFF-NOW-/131714656463?epid=1856194140&hash=item1eaace28cf:g:coYAAOSwFDpZzndo
Done my upgrade today. :boogie2:
Last time when changing the front sprocket, I detached the inner engine sprocket cover and carelessly pull on the clutch lever.
As a result the metal plate (guard) deformed and let dirt accumulated. So this time do the clean up and upgrade the clutch seal. The clutch become smooth again ! :clapping:
shot some photos for whom may interested.
Fantastic show exactly what to do and how much crap on the slave cylinder .
:onya:
Does anyone have the actual part number of the seal itself? I find Busa kits, but not the seal alone. Thx
Quote from: KiwiCol on Wednesday, 23 May 2018, 02:47 AM
Does anyone have the actual part number of the seal itself? I find Busa kits, but not the seal alone. Thx
Yep.
https://www.bike-parts-suz.com/suzuki-motorcycle/assignment_spare_parts/23166-02F20
(under tech tips ;))
Cheers Blubber.
Just found it on ebay, $NZ14 for the seal & $NZ77+ for shipping!!! Bloody madness. I'll source from local Suzuki dealer.
Oh I missed this thread completely :rolleyes:
Seems a very sensible upgrade fitting that extra seal...I'll be ordering one in a mo and will fit it at the earliest opportunity that I get :onya:
I've just checked the price and in the UK it's around £12.50. Luckily Partzilla in the USA advertise it for $9.13 which is £6.80. Father in law is off to Florida next week to stay with his Son...So I've asked him to place the order and send it home with Father in Law when he returns to the UK :grin:
Quote from: froudy on Wednesday, 23 May 2018, 03:40 AM
Oh I missed this thread completely :rolleyes:
Seems a very sensible upgrade fitting that extra seal...I'll be ordering one in a mo and will fit it at the earliest opportunity that I get :onya:
I've just checked the price and in the UK it's around £12.50. Luckily Partzilla in the USA advertise it for $9.13 which is £6.80. Father in law is off to Florida next week to stay with his Son...So I've asked him to place the order and send it home with Father in Law when he returns to the UK :grin:
Make that 2 Steve !! :)
@froudy
Quote from: Notty on Wednesday, 23 May 2018, 04:31 AM
Make that 2 Steve !! :)
@froudy
If he hasn't already placed the order, I'll see what I can do :onya:
Wee update with more madness regarding this seal. I rang the local Suzuki dealer, said I wanted a seal & here's the part number. No, that's not a Suzuki part number. I say yes it is, they say what's it for? So I say a Busa clutch slave cyl. What year? Dunno what year, but it's that part number. No, I've put it in again & nothing comes up. (I'm getting rather pissed by now) :furious:
So (the girl) asks someone else in the background, nothing. So I say, have you got access to the internet & google? She says yes, I say just enter that part number in google & see what pops up. She does this & whaddya know, it's a Suzuki part number for a Busa (as well as other things)
So back to the parts computer & yep, finds it now. Says it's not for a Busa it's for a TL1000! Good Grief! It actually fits several applications but never mind. Then Einstein says it's not available. I say ok, don't worry about it, I'll get it online. Then she says, well we could get it in from Japan, Do you want me to order one for you? How much I ask? Oh, I haven't got a price showing. :facepalm:
Yeah right! Like I'm filled with confidence with this parts person, so I say no, I'll come in Saturday & check it's the same part you're ordering & get a price first. :whatever:
@KiwiCol Hopefully you'll get it sorted out. My local "stealership" stocks the part, but as I said the price is a bit steep.
Fingers crossed my brother in law in Florida will be successful getting them from Partzilla :onya:
You can use this to prove to them that it definitely exists Col. Common application is DL 1000 V-Strom.
Col, if you get stuck ill buy and post you one. Mine was from local dealer, cant rem cost. Was a while back. Maybe $13 rings a bell, not sure. They def work. My fluid still clean. I think far more important is to keep pushrod clean into motor. Clean and lube with engine oil mixed with grease. An annual job i reckon. If that mongrel seal leaks its motor apart. I spray out the seal with whatever, brake cleaner, wd40. Just get it clean. Then insert rod 3 or 4 times with mixture, spin it around. Make sure the lube gets on seal. I run some 2000 grit paper over rod. Very fussy on that seal.
Quote from: grog on Wednesday, 23 May 2018, 06:15 PM
If that mongrel seal leaks its motor apart.
Guys on FB disagree.
QuoteBarry Gilbert Not engine out !! Heated cases gently with hot air gun, screwed in two self tappers to pull seal out , greased new seal and put back in easily ! Good luck
Quote from: froudy on Wednesday, 23 May 2018, 05:30 PM
@KiwiCol
Hopefully you'll get it sorted out. My local "stealership" stocks the part, but as I said the price is a bit steep.
Fingers crossed my brother in law in Florida will be successful getting them from Partzilla :onya:
You can use this to prove to them that it definitely exists Col. Common application is DL 1000 V-Strom.
Partzilla? That's the crowd I was talking to about their shipping cost (NZ$77) I told them I could get a whole refurb kit for $17 & shipping of $17 (USD) They replied too, basically said it wasn't up to them how much it costs to ship something, it was all calculated by the Global Shipping Centre & I could buy it or not, was up to me. I choose NOT with a cost of $77 for a wee rubber seal.
Quote from: grog on Wednesday, 23 May 2018, 06:15 PM
Col, if you get stuck ill buy and post you one. Mine was from local dealer, cant rem cost. Was a while back. Maybe $13 rings a bell, not sure. They def work. My fluid still clean. I think far more important is to keep pushrod clean into motor. Clean and lube with engine oil mixed with grease. An annual job i reckon. If that mongrel seal leaks its motor apart. I spray out the seal with whatever, brake cleaner, wd40. Just get it clean. Then insert rod 3 or 4 times with mixture, spin it around. Make sure the lube gets on seal. I run some 2000 grit paper over rod. Very fussy on that seal.
Cheers Grog, I'll let you know how I get on with them on Saturday.
@grog Ordered the seal without issue this morning, in person at the dealer. They don't have any in stock, but there's 2 in Wanganui & they'll be here Tuesday. Cost $38 all up for the both of them. Way better price than E-Bay USA wanted. Much better getting someone who knows what they're doing too.
Its a good upgrade Col.
I did mine when I first got it..
Put Car caliper slide grease under the rubber in the recess on mine (cant do any harm), but don't over pack it or the seal wont go into its slot properly.....
Don't ask me how I know !!
For any one in Australia looking for this part:
https://bluecitymotorcycles.com.au/oem/suzuki/search-part?brand=suzuki&year=2004&model=2140§ion=112425
If the link doesn't work, go to bluecitymotorcycles.com.au
Then in the drop down menus look up suzuki, 2004, DL-1000, clutch section and get the oil seal (part 34)
$20 plus usually $8 postage.
Quote from: rollerfish01 on Wednesday, 23 May 2018, 01:27 AM
Done my upgrade today. :boogie2:
Last time when changing the front sprocket, I detached the inner engine sprocket cover and carelessly pull on the clutch lever.
As a result the metal plate (guard) deformed and let dirt accumulated. So this time do the clean up and upgrade the clutch seal. The clutch become smooth again ! :clapping:
shot some photos for whom may interested.
Big thanks to Andre & Rollerfish01.
Legends.
Just completed my clean up and up grade to include dust cover (23166-02F20 : DUST SEAL_SLAVE CYLINDER ).
My issue was that the fluid would drop below the lower level when riding. Friction point seemed to change slightly, and the system would NOT bleed. I think this was mainly due to the piston getting stuck from the road crud.
Soooooo much better now.
note: I found it
IMPORTANT to lube the inside of the slave body ( top 1/2) and the seal( First with Brake fluid and then with
GREASE. This allows the new seal to recoil when you depress the spring. Push in the piston allow to recoil out a few times to ensure the seal is able to slide and is lubed enough.
I bleed the system without the Master Cylinder cap on.
Onto it fellas . . .
FYI
Brake fluid seals are made from EPDM
And are not compatible with any petroleum based products (oil/grease/degreaser etc)
That's why red rubber grease is the only one you should use, if you need any. I've never needed to grease those slave cylinders when touching them.