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Technically Speaking => General Technical discussion => Topic started by: Gsxjohn on Monday, 25 September 2017, 03:42 AM

Title: Problem with Tip Sensor
Post by: Gsxjohn on Monday, 25 September 2017, 03:42 AM
Can anyone help? Out today on bike. After about 20 miles stopped and bike would start, however as soon as gear selected engine cutout after approx 3-3 seconds. FI light flashes. Did the code check and comes up C23 Tip Sensor.
It's an 03, where is it located?
Cheers
Title: Problem with Tip Sensor
Post by: seth on Monday, 25 September 2017, 04:36 AM
wrong thread
go use one of the technical ones read them and use a more appropriate thread . ???


on the subject of mad mike it was great to see him and catch up at the mcr on the summer . :cheers:

ADMIN UPDATE moved topic as posted by GSXJOHN as suggested Seth, thank you for pointing out that GSXJOHN had posted his question in totally the incorrect thread about Mad Mike (no idea why he did that)
Title: Re: Problem with Tip Sensor
Post by: Hooli on Monday, 25 September 2017, 05:49 AM
Right hand side, behind the rear master cylinder.


Title: Re: Problem with Tip Sensor
Post by: Gsxjohn on Monday, 25 September 2017, 05:52 AM
Many thanks Hooli, much appreciated.
Title: Re: Problem with Tip Sensor
Post by: Gsxjohn on Wednesday, 27 September 2017, 02:37 AM
Garage picked up bike this morning. Phoned this afternoon to say their stumped, can't find fault. Phoned suzuki dealers and their none the wiser😭
Title: Re: Problem with Tip Sensor
Post by: Hooli on Wednesday, 27 September 2017, 03:10 AM
Check the connections to the tip sensor I'd say. As far as I know it's a switch that turns off when the wrong way up, so I guess if you took it out you could short the right connections & make the bike run if the sensor is faulty.

I don't think they are the most useful thing anyway, 50% of the times mine has been on the floor it's not cut out automatically like it should.

ETA: I'm sure I recall a few issues where the sensor has fallen off it's mount & ended tipped over causing these problems in the past.
Title: Re: Problem with Tip Sensor
Post by: Andre on Wednesday, 27 September 2017, 03:39 AM
For a thorough check this might help. And yes, I doubt that the garage did all that.
Title: Re: Problem with Tip Sensor
Post by: seth on Wednesday, 27 September 2017, 04:38 AM
my old k2 did this and it was corroded conections to the tip over sensor was the problem.
:cheers:
Title: Re: Problem with Tip Sensor
Post by: Gsxjohn on Saturday, 07 October 2017, 02:33 AM
Contacted dealer for an update. New TO fitted.....fault still there🤔 They have ordered a new ECU. They reckon there's been an alarm fitted in the past and that's giving problem.
Hmm!!
Title: Re: Problem with Tip Sensor
Post by: KiwiCol on Saturday, 07 October 2017, 02:55 AM
Sounds like the dealer is just throwing new bits at it until it goes away, be ok if it was their money they were spending.    New ECU ?  Hell that'll cost, I'd go PC5 way if I had to replace, not back to a std, one.

If Alphadave was still around, he'd be able to sort it.
Title: Re: Problem with Tip Sensor
Post by: seth on Saturday, 07 October 2017, 03:13 AM
where are you john ?
as might be better if another 14 is used to swop parts over till the fault is found rather than spending a fortune on parts and labour thats not needed.
Title: Re: Problem with Tip Sensor
Post by: Hooli on Saturday, 07 October 2017, 03:31 AM
New ECU needed? my farking arse!

I'd try shorting the contacts the tip sensor works on near the ECU plug, I'd bet it's a dodgy connection like Seth says.
Title: Re: Problem with Tip Sensor
Post by: Gsxjohn on Saturday, 07 October 2017, 06:19 AM
I'm in Northumberland Seth. Luckily I've only just got the bike so it's under warranty.
I kind of thought the same Kiwi, but as long as the dealers paying!!
Title: Re: Problem with Tip Sensor
Post by: KiwiCol on Saturday, 07 October 2017, 08:12 AM
You're a lucky man. Oh well, let them keep firing bits in it if they're paying.  Suggest the PC5 anyway.
Title: Re: Problem with Tip Sensor
Post by: seth on Saturday, 07 October 2017, 05:42 PM
if under warranty then its in there interest to find the problem and sort it asap as its costing them .
but good news for you .
hopefully its sorted soon tho as its a shame your not getting out on it.
:cheers:
Title: Re: Problem with Tip Sensor
Post by: Gsxjohn on Sunday, 15 October 2017, 06:14 PM
Well got phone call from dealer. Seems it was the ECU, they fitted it yesterday and took it on a test.
Keeping it till Monday to test again.

Glad it's them paying!!
Title: Re: Problem with Tip Sensor
Post by: Hooli on Sunday, 15 October 2017, 06:31 PM
I've never heard of a faulty ECU on these before, I wonder if it was the actual ECU or just a dodgy pin to the connector?
Title: Re: Problem with Tip Sensor
Post by: seth on Sunday, 15 October 2017, 09:16 PM
as hooli says thats a first but if it's fixed then all good  :onya:
Title: Re: Problem with Tip Sensor
Post by: Gsxjohn on Sunday, 15 October 2017, 09:35 PM
 I'm a bit sceptical myself. I would have done a con check of all connections first.
But hey hoy at least it's fixed and I'll hopefully catch a few good days before winter.
Title: Re: Problem with Tip Sensor
Post by: Andre on Sunday, 15 October 2017, 10:15 PM
The skepticism sits deep, not just with this issue. Glad I have the time and means to do the work myself.

Very hard for the garages to find and keep good experienced Mechatronics.  I have one just around the corner who has a one man back-alley thing going. Always very busy. I observed cars coming from afar, often by transport. If I have an electronic issue I can't solve with your help, he will be my go-to guy as electronics is his specialty.

My best friend has one he goes to. Was the head mechanic for a large Mercedes dealership before he threw in the towel and started his one man garage. He often just takes a quick look and tells my friend how he can fix it himself - no charge and it works. Guys like that usually have a hard time with the inner workings of a dealership.