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Technically Speaking => General Technical discussion => Topic started by: Forester on Thursday, 06 July 2017, 07:45 AM

Title: Unnerving Wobble
Post by: Forester on Thursday, 06 July 2017, 07:45 AM
Heya.

So if I let go of the bars at any speed between 35 and 60 the bars start to wobble from side to side, the faster I go the quicker it comes on and the harder it happens. Understandably this is a little worrying, not that I tend to ever ride without my hands on the bars but I should be able to take them off for more than 2 seconds.

Tire pressure is fine, steering head bearings are fine. I've also tried realigning the rear wheel.

Any ideas guys?
Title: Re: Unnerving Wobble
Post by: KiwiCol on Thursday, 06 July 2017, 02:57 PM

Worn front tyre? Out of balance?


How did you check the head bearings btw?
Title: Re: Unnerving Wobble
Post by: Leyther on Thursday, 06 July 2017, 03:18 PM
Tricky one to pinpoint as there is a raft of reasons that could be the cause, tyres, wheels, steering bearings and suspension are obvious but screens, top boxes and rack loading can also contribute, its a process of elimination I'm afraid.
By the way how long has it been happening, it could be that its something you have changed if recent.
Title: Re: Unnerving Wobble
Post by: Forester on Thursday, 06 July 2017, 05:16 PM
The front tire has tons of life on it, with or without screen or top box, it happens.
Title: Re: Unnerving Wobble
Post by: Blubber on Thursday, 06 July 2017, 05:20 PM
As above:

front tire shot,
wheel bearing on their way out,
incorrect balanced front wheel,
loose front axle,
play on head stock,
tire pressure
etc.

The wobble you mention is not a common problem for a gsx1400.
Title: Re: Unnerving Wobble
Post by: VladTepes on Thursday, 06 July 2017, 09:43 PM
My money is on wheel balance.
Title: Re: Unnerving Wobble
Post by: Hooli on Friday, 07 July 2017, 06:44 AM
It's always been front tyre worn unevenly or topbox for me.
Title: Re: Unnerving Wobble
Post by: Andre on Friday, 07 July 2017, 06:59 AM
An uneven worn tire doesn't come from nothing.
Title: Re: Unnerving Wobble
Post by: KiwiCol on Friday, 07 July 2017, 03:37 PM
Quote from: Andre on Friday, 07 July  2017, 06:59 AM
An uneven worn tire doesn't come from nothing.
Camber of the roads is the usual culprit - wears faster on the RHS of the tyre than the left.  If you ride on the RHS, it'll be the left side of the tyre that wears first.
That's how it goes down under anyway, we have a fair amount of camber on the roads - maybe less in the northern half of the globe?
Title: Re: Unnerving Wobble
Post by: Andre on Friday, 07 July 2017, 03:57 PM
Can't judge the down under road camber or that in GB. Here, the camber is negligible. As long as you don't always ride in circles in one clock direction :doh: I presume that If the camber would cause wobbly tires, this would be such a common issue that  we all would complain about it.
Title: Re: Unnerving Wobble
Post by: Kiwifruit on Friday, 07 July 2017, 04:07 PM
Have you raised the front wheel and spun it, can you feel any bumps on the tyre as it spins under your hand ?
May pay to check the rear tyre also.
Title: Re: Unnerving Wobble
Post by: Macon on Friday, 07 July 2017, 09:03 PM
Quote from: Kiwifruit on Friday, 07 July  2017, 04:07 PM
Have you raised the front wheel and spun it, can you feel any bumps on the tyre as it spins under your hand ?
May pay to check the rear tyre also.

Can check the wheel bearings at the same time  :onya:
Title: Re: Unnerving Wobble
Post by: saggy0000 on Saturday, 08 July 2017, 04:23 AM
nelly does the same when luggage fitted,perfect without,if thats any help
Title: Re: Unnerving Wobble
Post by: Forester on Saturday, 15 July 2017, 09:48 AM
Well I'm having the head bearings looked at on Tuesday but I'm hoping it's the tires as that's my next purchase. My front tire right now is from 2006 and my rear from 2004.
Title: Re: Unnerving Wobble
Post by: KiwiCol on Saturday, 15 July 2017, 03:37 PM
Mate, 7 years is considered fairly old age for a bike tyre, yours are bloody teenagers!  They might have tread still showing, but they're nothing like a 'new' tyre any more. Bung some new ones on & then compare, that'd be my recommendation anyways.
Title: Re: Unnerving Wobble
Post by: gsxbarmy on Saturday, 15 July 2017, 03:42 PM
Quote from: Forester on Saturday, 15 July  2017, 09:48 AM
Well I'm having the head bearings looked at on Tuesday but I'm hoping it's the tires as that's my next purchase. My front tire right now is from 2006 and my rear from 2004.

You are running tyres that are at least 11 years old? Jeez to me that is dangerous and will severely affect the handling of the bike,  rubber perishes, goes hard and deteriorates over time so for me rather than mess with head bearings I'd change both tyres immediately to something like Michelin PR4's and then see if you have an issue still or not.

At a guess if your tyres are from 2004/6 then you may still have the original Bridgestone 020's fitted which were a shite tyre at best.

My mate ran "old" tyres like you - had a blow out on the motorway ay 70mph due to the rubber having deteriorated to the point there was no give in the tyre. I seriously suggest you change those as your first priority as that is most likely where your issue is

Title: Re: Unnerving Wobble
Post by: Forester on Saturday, 22 July 2017, 08:29 PM
Well, turns out that after all my faffing, the problem was an ever so slightly misaligned front end. All sorted (got some Battleax T30 Evo's too) and she's handling like a dream.

Thanks for the help guys