noticed today my front tyre is stuffed. been brilliant. i posted before that theyd done 20 th ks, just had a look , i stuffed up. 17 th. its done. still unreal life. rear has heaps left. i usually replace both together but this time will just do front. cant see a reason why not. another 5 th left in rear. amazing tyres. never a problem. michelin last set, nowhere as good and both stuffed at 15 th ks. problem with michys was tram tracking over white lines and cracks in road. pirellis dont.
So what are these Pirelli's like in really heavy rain, lots of standing water ?
That's really amazing mileage to get out of them mate.
Not sure about the GTs, but I'm definitely looking to fit Angel ST's to my 14 next.
Cheers.
Dont waste your bucks on st, just get gt.
Quote from: Kiwifruit on Thursday, 08 June 2017, 08:33 PM
So what are these Pirelli's like in really heavy rain, lots of standing water ?
I have been using the Angel GT's for a number of years over all 4 seasons. Admittedly WA doesn't get the heaviest of rainfalls but I have barrelled both the GSX1400 and the K1600 through axle deep, standing water without a problem.
Quote from: grog on Thursday, 08 June 2017, 08:56 PM
Dont waste your bucks on st, just get gt.
Good shout. Will go for GT.
Thanks!!
Jeez Baty.....axle deep water. I'd be scared of the bloody crocs.
I meaning more like highway speeds when a cars wipers can barely keep up.
I just changed my front angel gt too. Went for rego check and they picked it up. Rear has another 1000ks left in it. I got 10000ks out of it. Im happy with that. When I do ride its usually only weekend twisties so to get that many k's out of it with that amount of grip wet or dry is really awesome. There would have to be a lot of talk about another tyre to get me to change.
Now to go wear out the rest of this rear tyre.... :twisted: going for the 55 profile this time, see how it goes :smile2:
Quote from: grog on Thursday, 08 June 2017, 07:11 PM
problem with michys was tram tracking over white lines and cracks in road. pirellis dont.
I run Michie PR4s at the moment.
I've always been a Michelin fan - and found no reason to change but its funny you should mention this as I've noticed I am tram-tracking quite a lot more than I am used to. Not sure why as I've not changed anything lately. I don't like it.
I'd have thought the suspension setup would be the main culprit for tram-tracking so interesting that you've found a tyre that doesn't when another brand tyre does!
Perhaps, for the sake of science and stuff, I'll give these Pirelli Angel GT's a go. And I definitely am going to try a 55 rear.
Only one 'problem' is I changed the tyres not long ago so won't need to change them again for ages yet.
I do commute daily though so they are wearing more in the middle than the edges... :(
@VladTepes I had PR4GT prior to the Angels I've got now. They were fine when new, it wasn't until over ½ worn that I noticed tram tracking & white line aversion. I wasn't horrendous or anything, just something I noticed that wasn't there at the start.
Very happy with the Angel GT's at the moment, would I buy PR4's again, yeah probably - (certainly over some of the other stuff out there), just depends on how the current ones go as they get worn.
Got the angel GT on mine too.
Can't fault them.
Had some old - hardened - bridgestones on it before so the switch transformed the bike completely for the better :onya:
Am happy with PR4's, im on my third set.
I can see myself fitting a set of Pirellis just so i can see for myself if there is any difference. Next tyre will also be a 55 profile.
even worn out angels dont tram track, but having said that, my front has slightly lately, but its totally stuffed. i was a michy person also but couldnt believe how easily the big girl turned in when angels first fitted. i thought moving around on long cracks/white lines was normal. never worried me. pirelli changed that, no suspension adjusts.
double post, sorry. why are you guys changing to 55 profile? i like stability, raising arse end should be quicker steer but less straight line stability. not sure i understand why.
Went into bike shop today to talk tyres for our upcoming 10000km road trip, they suggested to Angel GT 190/50 I have half worn Metzler Z8s on atm. I don t want to stuff around fitting new tyres on during the trip, I will give the Angels a try. The riding is open highway high speed most of the way.
You won't go wrong with those, and they'll do the whole trip.
Quote from: grog on Friday, 09 June 2017, 07:21 PM
double post, sorry. why are you guys changing to 55 profile? i like stability, raising arse end should be quicker steer but less straight line stability. not sure i understand why.
Grog Im changing mine to 55 just because Im curious. Like I said before, I mainly do just weekend twisties with the odd long tour here and there. Im thinking it would likely suit my style.
Even if it doesn't its still an angel gt so you cant really go wrong.
I would be intersted to hear if anyone else has gone from the 50 angel gt to the 55 angel gt and their thoughts.
go for it mate. lets know your findings. angels turn in very nicely, if they made a 45 for rear, id have one. old farts love stability. i leave the twisty bits to you young blokes. not really, i love corners, old habits die hard.
Quote from: grog on Friday, 09 June 2017, 07:21 PM
double post, sorry. why are you guys changing to 55 profile? i like stability, raising arse end should be quicker steer but less straight line stability. not sure i understand why.
There was some discussion on this in another thread mate, though I can't seem to find it just now...
I think the over-all consensus was that the tip-in is considerably better with little effect on straight line stability.
But as for "Why" and answer really is "Because you can". It's an easy experiment and it if doesn't work out can be remedied at next tyre change.
Will bite the bullet and go Angels next time round............ only getting 8-9k out of PR4's so all this guff about supa-dupa longevity is bullshit as far as I'm concerned..... unless you are a highway hellion....... my work is 80% in the twisties.
.......................... and I cant be bothered with 55's, the bitch tips in just fine, and I aint giving the insurance companies any extra reason to NOT pay me out..... if she gets thrown into the bushes.
be surprised Rogues, i was. let me know if you think its bullshit. they hang on , they last, im no highway whatever you said. just great tyres. enjoy them, i do.
Quote from: Rogues on Saturday, 17 June 2017, 05:10 PM
Will bite the bullet and go Angels next time round............ only getting 8-9k out of PR4's so all this guff about supa-dupa longevity is bullshit as far as I'm concerned..... unless you are a highway hellion....... my work is 80% in the twisties.
.......................... and I cant be bothered with 55's, the bitch tips in just fine, and I aint giving the insurance companies any extra reason to NOT pay me out..... if she gets thrown into the bushes.
Rogues don't expect fantastic wear out of them running up and down the Oxley. I'm on my second set of GT had ST before that, sides are always gone before the centre. But three sets says I'm happy with them. Have PR's on the FJR will be changed to GT.
I've had PR4GTS fitted, scrubbing them in today, I run a 180 rear, have done for the last three sets of boots.
Turn in is easier.
Running Michelin Pilot Road 4 tires front and back (180 at 55 on the rear) and they are great.
It is a personal thing and the 180 works for me ( had that size on my tiger ) and Yamaha still recommend them for the FJR1300 (heavier bike).
Will let you know how they last but I'll be lucky to do 10,000 k's a year as not much time for riding, BUT handling right now I find sweet and confident.
The feeling of fresh tyres is wonderful.
My oldies were badly worn and cornering was
becoming an effort.
Today was great, daughter on the back and
a cruise around the countryside with some
mates.
It's what it's all about.
GT wear. I had just finished a 800k trip with pillion down the coast all straight road when this was taken.
Irish, how many ks had they done? very bad wear. disappointing for me, i often reco them and have had nothing llke that happen. best tyres ive had but if that happened , gone from my list.
sorry, double post. iriish, what pressure you running? how much weight on rear end, pillion , luggage.
Grog
I run high pressure because I have cracked a couple of rims. I am still with GT's but as I commented on earlier they scrub out on the sides pending on your type of riding but they have good wear in middle.
I am thinking your shocks are on their way out / have a bad settings.
Please check them.
Quote from: Irish in Oz on Wednesday, 21 June 2017, 10:09 AM
GT wear. I had just finished a 800k trip with pillion down the coast all straight road when this was taken.
That looks like normal tyre wear to me after 800km on straight roads. To get to those straight roads you need to go through a few corners & Irish does enjoy the odd bend in the road.
That's right Snapey, Thunderbolts, Oxley, Waterfall Way. Then there was the time we did the Alpine Way and I thought my front tyre would do the trip we had to get a new one at Albury, there was a ton of tread in the middle the sides where rooted, maybe I need my suspension checked on the front end too.
I was once told "you dont get performance and economy in the same sentence".
Suppose the same can be said of that tyre. Looks like the shoulders have been getting a workout at some stage.
I think young Irish is having us on! Yes he has just done 800k straight roads - 2 up. What we're all taking for granted is the tyre wear pic has been caused by the 800k trip, when I'm now picking (from the above comments) this tyre wasn't new just before the latest trip, it's been well used on the bends & then done the trip. That's why the middle is fine & the edges are worn.
Correct ?
It's extremely bad economics to buy 100% of a tyre and only use 50% of it Col. Also well picked about the Irish gee up.
Interesting point Snapey that you talk of a Gee Up.
Have seen pictures of tyres on this forum as well as the old and have thought guys really take the bike out of the shed and ride on that tyre and then complain the bikes not handling or the tyres delaminating.......really ??
In the local bike shop the other day when a bloke I knew said Hi, he started telling me he was getting a new PR4 fitted to the rear of his Ducati Monster. He took me out the back to show me.....I said "you should stick a pair on, they ride nice." The front was rooted (which I didn't mention) yet he said "no couple of thousand K's left in the front yet." ...........must remember to ride behind him if we find ourselves on the road together.
Oh and Irish.......you just need to buy a Grooving Iron. :stir:
Quote from: Kiwifruit on Thursday, 22 June 2017, 09:33 PM
Oh and Irish.......you just need to buy a Grooving Iron. :stir:
It's easier with an angle grinder. When you see sparks you know you've gone deep enough. Usually good for one more ride.
Mind you, I only ever did it on the back tyre.
As I said at the beginning they wear out on the sides before the centre, that tyre had 9859 K's on it, probably about 1500 more than the ST. Please don't ask me about what percentage on straights compared to bends, but I can tell you I am slow in straights because it is to easy to get pinged by a radar.
I'm keeping that one in case I do another trip up the coast to Coffs Harbour that way I can get 100 percent use out of it ;)
Snapey, i tried to use a 1mm cut off disc to cut a car tyre off a mag, wanted it to hang a garden hose on. I gave up....it was going to rip the grinder out of my hand as the disc rubbered up !!
Also just wondered what gear are you in when you groove the rear tyre. And do you have it on its centre stand or just an old nail box ?? :whatever:
Quote from: Kiwifruit on Friday, 23 June 2017, 03:37 PM
Snapey, i tried to use a 1mm cut off disc to cut a car tyre off a mag, wanted it to hang a garden hose on. I gave up....it was going to rip the grinder out of my hand as the disc rubbered up !!
Also just wondered what gear are you in when you groove the rear tyre. And do you have it on its centre stand or just an old nail box ?? :whatever:
I cut my old tyres in to four pieces for secret disposal in the garbage. I use a cut off disc to get through the wire bead then bandsaw the rest. As you found out the cut off disc won't look at the rest of the tyre. For the re-grooves I used a thicker grinding wheel.