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Technically Speaking => General Technical discussion => Topic started by: Celtic32 on Monday, 30 January 2017, 06:44 AM

Title: Bearings
Post by: Celtic32 on Monday, 30 January 2017, 06:44 AM
Evening Orgsters.

I'm doing a few bits and pieces on the bike whilst the weather's rubbish and I figured, when I have the wheels off, I may as well replace the wheel bearings and sprocket carrier bearing. I came across this list from the other place of the bearing numbers, but wondered if there were preferred brands/ kits that members tend to go for? I have a K6 by the way.

Front wheel: 6205 2rs
Rear wheel: 60/28 2rs (NOT a 6028 which is over 8 inches outside diameter and about £150)
Sprocket carrier: 62/32 2rs
Swingarm: needle roller bearing TA3025Z
Steering head: Lower/ Upper 32005/32006 Taper Roller

Thanks in advance.
C32.
Title: Re: Bearings
Post by: seth on Monday, 30 January 2017, 06:50 AM
all sounds right I'll check the shed tomorrow as ive got all the old bearing boxes there.

only thing i would recommend is good quality double sealed bearings
as some of the standard one are only sealed on 1 side.

if you order them you can also get all the seals you need too from the same suppliers

seth
Title: Re: Bearings
Post by: Celtic32 on Monday, 30 January 2017, 07:06 AM
Great, thanks Seth. So you just tend to get them from a local supplier as opposed to searching out a specific brand?
Title: Re: Bearings
Post by: seth on Monday, 30 January 2017, 07:10 AM
yes i get them from a local bearing suppliers
as can get a discount for bulk buying.
also saves on lots of postage

Title: Re: Bearings
Post by: gsxbarmy on Monday, 30 January 2017, 08:59 AM
Personally I prefer Koyo bearings, good quality, had them fitted to my K7, never gave a problem
Title: Re: Bearings
Post by: seth on Monday, 30 January 2017, 09:11 AM
it was koyo or fag bearings i used in mine
Title: Re: Bearings
Post by: Celtic32 on Monday, 30 January 2017, 07:00 PM
I've read a few good things about Koyo so will likely go for them. Thanks.
Title: Re: Bearings
Post by: seth on Monday, 30 January 2017, 07:02 PM
 :onya:
Title: Re: Bearings
Post by: Celtic32 on Wednesday, 01 February 2017, 07:07 AM
Has anyone had any experience with this place?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Suzuki-GSX1400-Complete-Front-Rear-Wheel-bearing-kit-Genuine-KOYO-02-07-/281712010594?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Suzuki-GSX1400-Complete-Front-Rear-Wheel-bearing-kit-Genuine-KOYO-02-07-/281712010594?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368)

Seems a fairly reasonable price when compared to ones like this:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rear-Wheel-Bearing-Kit-OEM-KOYO-Suzuki-GSX-1400-2006-2007-/172404898478?hash=item282421faae (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rear-Wheel-Bearing-Kit-OEM-KOYO-Suzuki-GSX-1400-2006-2007-/172404898478?hash=item282421faae)
Title: Re: Bearings
Post by: seth on Wednesday, 01 February 2017, 07:18 AM
wow looks good and cheap
but all seals and quality bearings


I'd buy them  :onya:
Title: Re: Bearings
Post by: Celtic32 on Wednesday, 01 February 2017, 07:24 AM
Bought. Thanks for all your help Seth!
Title: Re: Bearings
Post by: seth on Wednesday, 01 February 2017, 07:50 AM
 :welcome1:
Title: Re: Bearings
Post by: Celtic32 on Saturday, 04 February 2017, 08:18 AM
Bearing kit arrived on Thursday, just 2 days after ordering. All sizes checked to Barmys list and confirmed correct so pleased with that. Hopefully of some use to others in the UK when they are on the hunt for bearings.
Title: Re: Bearings
Post by: Celtic32 on Sunday, 05 February 2017, 12:29 AM
Is there a secret to getting the old bearing back out after using it to drive the new one in? Mines stuck fast.
Title: Re: Bearings
Post by: seth on Sunday, 05 February 2017, 12:54 AM
while you can still get the old bearing out put a rew washers around the edge so the old bearing doesn't go right in to the housing
then use a big socket and copper hammer to finish driving it home

good luck

re read it not that easy but try using boiling water or being very carefull knock the new bearing out just slightly and refit as above

double good luck
Title: Re: Bearings
Post by: Celtic32 on Sunday, 05 February 2017, 01:23 AM
Seth, thanks for the advice regarding washers. Bit late for me with this one but think that will be my method for the next ones. My current thinking is to just get a new bearing and bray this one back out given the current situation...
Title: Re: Bearings
Post by: seth on Sunday, 05 February 2017, 01:30 AM
might be best but if its the first side a well matched socket should loosen the besrings with care you'll save the new one and refit it


good luck
Title: Re: Bearings
Post by: Celtic32 on Sunday, 05 February 2017, 01:56 AM
It is the first side Yeah.  I'll carefully (as carefully as I can) chase it out with a socket and see what it's like. Thanks mate.
Title: Re: Bearings
Post by: seth on Sunday, 05 February 2017, 02:09 AM
no worries
hopefully its ok and you can refit it easily

Title: Re: Bearings
Post by: black14 on Saturday, 18 February 2017, 07:32 AM
I take the old bearing and run it around on the bench grinder until it is a loose fit then use it to knock the new bearing in.
I keep the set of old ground bearings so I don't have to do it again next time!
Works for me...
:grin:
Title: Re: Bearings
Post by: gsxbarmy on Saturday, 18 February 2017, 08:14 AM
Quote from: black14 on Saturday, 18 February  2017, 07:32 AM
I take the old bearing and run it around on the bench grinder until it is a loose fit then use it to knock the new bearing in.
I keep the set of old ground bearings so I don't have to do it again next time!
Works for me...
:grin:

or just cut a slot in the bearing so it flex's slightly and it comes out easy enough
Title: Re: Bearings
Post by: grog on Saturday, 18 February 2017, 07:31 PM
good buying mate. think i payed much more for koyo. well done.
Title: Re: Bearings
Post by: Celtic32 on Friday, 24 March 2017, 11:07 PM
So I've got the new bearings in and just fit the seals but I can't remember if they were sat flush with the disc or pushed right in up to the bearings. I've got them pressed flush at present, can someone please remind me if this is OK or if they need pressing further in? Thanks.
Title: Re: Bearings
Post by: gsxbarmy on Saturday, 25 March 2017, 12:38 AM
From memory they press in as far as they can go, so the dust seals sit flush.

If you are doing front and rear bearings, just make sure you get the right bearings in the right wheels. I won't say who did it wrong once (will I Taz), but it makes fitting the wheels difficult if they are the wrong way fitted LOL
Title: Re: Bearings
Post by: Celtic32 on Saturday, 25 March 2017, 02:11 AM
So just give them a press in with my fingers as far as they'll go then?

I will be replacing the rear bearings too but that'll be in the next week or 2 so I've kept the bearings well separate to avoid just that scenario. Of anyone can make a simple job hard it's me....and Taz apparently.
Title: Re: Bearings
Post by: gsxbarmy on Saturday, 25 March 2017, 02:42 AM
The dust seals will press in with fingers yes, but the bearings you'll need to drift in - suitable sized socket would do it
Title: Re: Bearings
Post by: Celtic32 on Saturday, 25 March 2017, 03:16 AM
Yeah sorry the bearings are already right in. Tapped in as far as they'll go, indicated by the noise change. I just didn't know if the dust seals needed pushing right in to the bearing or left flush with the wheel / disc.
Title: Re: Bearings
Post by: Celtic32 on Sunday, 26 March 2017, 01:44 AM
So I sat the old bearing over the top of the seal and pressed against that to push it down to the bearing. It's now like this.
Title: Re: Bearings
Post by: gsxbarmy on Sunday, 26 March 2017, 03:04 AM
That's better. Basically when you push the dust seal in Andrew, the edge of the dust seal should be flush to the edge of the wheel. Looks like you are there or thereabouts
Title: Re: Bearings
Post by: Celtic32 on Sunday, 26 March 2017, 03:09 AM
Ah ok, so the edge of the wheel rather than the disc. That makes sense now it's been spelt out. Is it worth tapping it in a bit with a hammer or would that damage the seal, so leave as is now?
Title: Re: Bearings
Post by: gsxbarmy on Sunday, 26 March 2017, 08:34 AM
tap with a rubber mallet maybe, but not a hammer - that would damage the seal.

If its not flush, either its not tapped home completely or the bearing may yet need to be tapped ina touch  more - ease the seal out before doing that Andrew, edge of a credit card is good for that if there is a slight gap.