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Title: zed/bandit project
Post by: hard road on Wednesday, 20 September 2023, 12:38 AM
Ive been asked to to a bit of a build thread on my latest project for anyone interested, I won't go into depth with it so it'll just be the highlights. so here goes.
I bought a low mileage 1200 bandit off my mate as a donor and a Kawasaki z1000j frame that came with a V5.
the reason for building it was to replace the one I built a few years ago and like an idiot I sold it  :rolleyes: this one is a tight budget one but my other was a much better built as I was working at the time, im on long term sick by the way.
anyway this is what I started with.

  (https://i.postimg.cc/Prr4Jh7g/20230624-135530.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NLSTPhBD)
Title: Re: zed/bandit project
Post by: hard road on Wednesday, 20 September 2023, 12:41 AM
after stripping the bandit down I sold off the bits I didn't need to help with bits I would need. the engine was very clean so didn't need painting just a bit of touching up.

(https://i.postimg.cc/JzVk66dz/20230625-183813.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/HVznj2gq)
Title: Re: zed/bandit project
Post by: hard road on Wednesday, 20 September 2023, 12:46 AM
after getting the engine in the frame I had to make all the engine mounts out of ally

(https://i.postimg.cc/8cSVhkKf/20230812-133738.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bD3MPPjq)

and engine in place with the Z1 bodywork loosely fitted

(https://i.postimg.cc/MKXGTDhY/20230702-155549.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zVZN2nDL)
Title: Re: zed/bandit project
Post by: hard road on Wednesday, 20 September 2023, 12:51 AM
the next job on the list was to make the shock mounts to weld on to the swingarm

(https://i.postimg.cc/QdVP7bbD/20230714-151855.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/68JYJCgb)

and my mate did the welding

(https://i.postimg.cc/NfdSLVRb/20230714-152422.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/svZwNT6Z)
Title: Re: zed/bandit project
Post by: hard road on Wednesday, 20 September 2023, 12:55 AM
I needed a fuel tap for the tank and I found a genuine Harley one in a box of bits that fitted the tank perfect, and also fitted in the gap between the filters and the side panel nice. (filters not fitted in this pic)

(https://i.postimg.cc/cJnb9L25/20230716-120620.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cKdh60sQ)
Title: Re: zed/bandit project
Post by: hard road on Wednesday, 20 September 2023, 12:57 AM
after some work on the frame I had it powder coated.

(https://i.postimg.cc/jdhR4Nrx/20230821-163319.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xccr0XCh)

then time to fit the engine

(https://i.postimg.cc/YCnkJH9T/20230821-182702.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YvWJWTQx)
Title: Re: zed/bandit project
Post by: hard road on Wednesday, 20 September 2023, 01:00 AM
bought a nice shiny new Blackwidow exhaust, it wont have a can on it but it does need a DB killer as its way to loud  :embarrassed: 

(https://i.postimg.cc/DzSFhM40/20230824-164459.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7CrjMXVr)
Title: Re: zed/bandit project
Post by: hard road on Wednesday, 20 September 2023, 01:03 AM
the bandit forks are a bit on the short side so I extended them, I made an aluminium spacer at 30mm and that fits under the damper rod with a 30mm longer allen bolt

(https://i.postimg.cc/VLz8v603/20230812-130137.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jC39kRXX)

and after rebuilding them a fresh coat of paint on the sliders.

(https://i.postimg.cc/pXktFHDy/20230817-150551.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1fgdkb7Z)

Title: Re: zed/bandit project
Post by: hard road on Wednesday, 20 September 2023, 01:07 AM
so basically it needs a road test to see how it runs with the filters ( it has been re-jetted and set up for them) but might need a tweak !!!!  the next big job is to get it painted.
but this is where it is at the moment.

thats the short version

(https://i.postimg.cc/CK90xsbN/20230916-132834.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qtcSmnbh)
Title: Re: zed/bandit project
Post by: hard road on Wednesday, 20 September 2023, 01:10 AM
by the way, this is the bike I originally built that I shouldn't of sold in a moment of madness  :embarassed:   

(https://i.postimg.cc/k5kvX87y/20180514_192204.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/McmQ9nMc)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Kjb7t2kk/20180514_192139.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Pp68k0MT)
Title: Re: zed/bandit project
Post by: Speedy1959 on Wednesday, 20 September 2023, 01:59 AM
Well I must say the quality of your work is very good indeed..
I DO like the Kawasaki Z1200 you created...
Your a skillful chap, with a damned sight more energy than I have !
Well done you.

S.
Title: Re: zed/bandit project
Post by: hard road on Wednesday, 20 September 2023, 02:39 AM
Quote from: Speedy1959 on Wednesday, 20 September  2023, 01:59 AMWell I must say the quality of your work is very good indeed..
I DO like the Kawasaki Z1200 you created...
Your a skillful chap, with a damned sight more energy than I have !
Well done you.

S.

thanks speedy,  :onya:  ive built a few bikes over the years and more since ive been on the sick (four and a half years) i can't just sit their doing nowt, being in my little shed building or modifying bikes keeps me alive I think  ;) 
Title: Re: zed/bandit project
Post by: hard road on Wednesday, 20 September 2023, 03:25 AM
some of the other bikes ive built.
this is the first ZED1000
(https://i.postimg.cc/vZ7rM7Vq/20150314_001214.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sMXQ4hK7)

and my evil GSXR1100 that kept trying to kill me !!!!  mental bike
(https://i.postimg.cc/4d88kYPc/003.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ZBdP6K1Y)

i built this copykat from a GSX750 inazuma frame and B12 engine
(https://i.postimg.cc/nLChKxNg/20210628_135611.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qtHr0PJx)

Title: Re: zed/bandit project
Post by: hard road on Wednesday, 20 September 2023, 03:29 AM
and my GSX1100ET with bandit wheels and GSXR1100 forks
(https://i.postimg.cc/fRZZn3NX/20220707_142808.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mtdK7gh2)

and this little GSX750 I built from mostly parts I had lying around, didnt have a frame but found a 1978 GS750 one.
(https://i.postimg.cc/HxwVxWF6/20220919_185055.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7GLxt4Hz)
Title: Re: zed/bandit project
Post by: grog on Wednesday, 20 September 2023, 05:41 PM
Those last two just awesome Mate. 750 so nice.
Title: Re: zed/bandit project
Post by: hard road on Wednesday, 20 September 2023, 07:58 PM
Quote from: grog on Wednesday, 20 September  2023, 05:41 PMThose last two just awesome Mate. 750 so nice.

cheers grog  :onya:   yeah the 750 turned out pretty good considering it was just bits I had lying around, but did have to find a frame for it.  :onya: 
Title: Re: zed/bandit project
Post by: BanditsHigh on Thursday, 21 September 2023, 06:18 PM
Absolutely stunning, wish I was half as talented ... the only thing I've really done myself was design some yokes for my 14, which I then had to get someone else to make.

If that's what you can accomplish when sick I can't imagine what'd you do if well again.

I'm a bit fecked (heart wise) myself, but it's amazing what you can manage even if it does take significantly longer than it used too!!

All the best ... Barry
Title: Re: zed/bandit project
Post by: hard road on Thursday, 21 September 2023, 08:34 PM
Quote from: BanditsHigh on Thursday, 21 September  2023, 06:18 PMAbsolutely stunning, wish I was half as talented ... the only thing I've really done myself was design some yokes for my 14, which I then had to get someone else to make.

If that's what you can accomplish when sick I can't imagine what'd you do if well again.

I'm a bit fecked (heart wise) myself, but it's amazing what you can manage even if it does take significantly longer than it used too!!

All the best ... Barry

thanks Barry  :onya:   ive been modifying bikes since my first bike when i was 15, for me its just having a bike that fits what i see in my head and it'll stand out in a crowd, ive even got plans for the 1400 but that'll be a good while before i do anything with it (if ever)  :whatever:   :grin:
Title: Re: zed/bandit project
Post by: Rynglieder on Friday, 22 September 2023, 12:07 AM
That's very impressive work.

I'm curious about your motivation, were you looking for true '80s styling with a more modern / efficient engine?

Or was it just because you can  :grin:
Title: Re: zed/bandit project
Post by: hard road on Friday, 22 September 2023, 01:25 AM
Quote from: Rynglieder on Friday, 22 September  2023, 12:07 AMThat's very impressive work.

I'm curious about your motivation, were you looking for true '80s styling with a more modern / efficient engine?

Or was it just because you can  :grin:

I prefer the look of the 70's and 80's bikes plus the over engineering in them, they just lack decent suspension/brakes and wheels (wider tyres) something they should of done at the time but that came later. the 1100/1200 oil cooled suzuki engine is a well put together motor and pretty hard to break !! plus its a good looking engine,lighter and compact, whats not to like  ;)   
why I like the GSX14, its got an old school look and twin shocks  :onya:
Title: Re: zed/bandit project
Post by: BanditsHigh on Tuesday, 26 September 2023, 02:05 AM
A few questions for you, if you don't mind  :whistling:

1) When using an older frame and modern wheels/engine, how do you handle the fact that the wider wheel means that the chain is further out compared to the original wheel/engine?

2) With regards swingarm, do you need to machine that as well to fit the frame?

Any other info you'd like to share from your experience would also be fantastic  :hat:

All the best ... Barry

Title: Re: zed/bandit project
Post by: hard road on Tuesday, 26 September 2023, 04:41 AM
Quote from: BanditsHigh on Tuesday, 26 September  2023, 02:05 AMA few questions for you, if you don't mind  :whistling:

1) When using an older frame and modern wheels/engine, how do you handle the fact that the wider wheel means that the chain is further out compared to the original wheel/engine?

2) With regards swingarm, do you need to machine that as well to fit the frame?

Any other info you'd like to share from your experience would also be fantastic  :hat:

All the best ... Barry



Hi Barry,
chain alignment is always an issue with this sort of build, on this bike I used a thinner (width) sprocket carrier from an early GSX1100, fits a bandit wheel perfect. then shorten the front sprocket spacer so its closer to the engine (still enough clearance) then a thinner chain or go down to a 525 chain kit. chain is dead straight but about 3mm from the frame.
swingarm fits in the gap no problem, 2 ways to do it, top hat spacers either side of the pivot, or in my case a sleave to reduce the 20mm down to 16mm the kawasaki uses.
their is plenty of other things you have to do but it'll take me a week to type it all !!!!!!  :rolleyes: 
Title: Re: zed/bandit project
Post by: BanditsHigh on Tuesday, 26 September 2023, 05:22 AM
Interesting stuff, thanks for taking the time to detail it.

As for other things you have to do ... I'm quite happy to wait a week  :lol:

All the best ... Barry
Title: Re: zed/bandit project
Post by: hard road on Tuesday, 26 September 2023, 06:26 AM
Quote from: BanditsHigh on Tuesday, 26 September  2023, 05:22 AMInteresting stuff, thanks for taking the time to detail it.

As for other things you have to do ... I'm quite happy to wait a week  :lol:

All the best ... Barry

if you really want to know a bit more about my builds then their on the OSS site  :onya:
Title: Re: zed/bandit project
Post by: BanditsHigh on Tuesday, 26 September 2023, 05:26 PM
Quote from: hard road on Tuesday, 26 September  2023, 06:26 AMif you really want to know a bit more about my builds then their on the OSS site  :onya:

What the hell is OSS I thought ... a few seconds of searching later and it was so obvious ... Old School Suzuki  :notworthy:

All the best ... Barry
Title: Re: zed/bandit project
Post by: froudy on Tuesday, 26 September 2023, 06:14 PM
Some great builds there Hard Road :onya:
They do look very familiar :imrgreen:
Title: Re: zed/bandit project
Post by: hard road on Tuesday, 26 September 2023, 07:31 PM
Quote from: froudy on Tuesday, 26 September  2023, 06:14 PMSome great builds there Hard Road :onya:
They do look very familiar :imrgreen:

ha ha, I think you've seen most of them before froudy  :onya: